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On March 15 2015 05:13 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. Eh, most of the players don't like living in China. We'll see how long players like Mata can stand being on a mediocre team before calling it quits.
But that's part of the point too. Even if Mata says "fuck this" and goes home, where is he gonna go ? How will he be able to find a top team ? Everyone else is gone too.
There's no one in Korea to form an elite team with him, a Samsung Blue/White level team. He'll be on his own, and his return won't change anything. Some pros coming back and integrating the current mediocre teams won't do anything for Korea.
Korea would need 5 elite players to decide to come back together, at the same time, and form a team. Maybe that's possible, I don't know, but for now Korea has a long way to go before it returns to its past glory.
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Does anyone have competitive winrate for Sion? I feel like he's the strongest champion in the game currently, and was interested in finding out
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 15 2015 05:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 15 2015 05:10 TheYango wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
King/Starhorn are better, Gamtee is better, EP is probably better as well in Raphael's good day though.
Honestly top 2-3 LSPL are probably better than them, so they're probably like 13th/14th place in China, lol. Swift's team is probably better, idk about ADG without BaeMe, I'm yet to see them. But yep, that's pretty much it, WE shouldn't die in LPL promotions though, unless they really collapse heavily. Vici Potential (Heart's team) is probably on par/better than WE too.
They're facing Legend Dragon though, that might be an upset, so who knows how will brackets go for them.
IEM Katowice World Championship Semifinal #2 Game 3
World Elite - GE Tigers
Bans:
Viktor, Lissandra, Lulu
Diana, Sion, Jarvan IV
Picks:
Rek'Sai, Morgana, Ahri, Sivir, Hecarim
LeBlanc, Janna, Maokai, Lee Sin, Corki
Gosh, no unicorn :<
TRAP TRAP TRAP
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On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign.
China does not remotely have the same infrastructure and gaming culture. They do have money though, and are able to buy success via poaching Korean players, which has the simultaneous effect of improving the Chinese scene while weakening the Korean scene, leading to parity. But the cost is pretty high and it doesn't look all that great when you have to win by buying top Korean players + top Korean coaches. Around 40% of both LPL and LSPL are filled with Koreans. Basically every top LPL team has a Korean coach except OMG.
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On March 15 2015 05:17 Maluk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:13 Itsmedudeman wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. Eh, most of the players don't like living in China. We'll see how long players like Mata can stand being on a mediocre team before calling it quits. But that's part of the point too. Even if Mata says "fuck this" and goes home, where is he gonna go ? How will he be able to find a top team ? Everyone else is gone too. There's no one in Korea to form an elite team with him, a Samsung Blue/White level team. He'll be on his own, and his return won't change anything. Some pros coming back and integrating the current mediocre teams won't do anything for Korea. Korea would need 5 elite players to decide to come back together, at the same time, and form a team. Maybe that's possible, I don't know, but for now Korea has a long way to go before it returns to its past glory.
Any korean team except maybe GE would be retarded not to pick up Mata right away. Doesn't matter though since I think mata would just retire and go to the military at that point honestly rather than rejoining a random korean team for slave wages.
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On March 15 2015 05:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 15 2015 05:10 Numy wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. What are you basing this off of? The only other international esport I can think of that China is big in is Dota where they don't completely dominate even though they once did. Even China being big in DotA is never endless reign. Like, there were those great teams like EHOME-2010, ZSMJ's LGD, Nirvana.CN, but since that day, there wasn't a single day, when China could enter any tournament being undisputed #1, outside of TI2. TI4...? 5 Chinese teams enter, all 5 in top 8, only eliminated by other Chinese teams, got ~80% of the prize pool collectrively, CN-CN finals.
Yes but then straight after that CN gets dominated so it's not like they are this untouchable juggernaut that once they take reign they'll never give it up. TI2 they had #1 but then TI3 they got owned at the very top. That's the point we making here.
edit: Oh god we summoned the hater
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On March 15 2015 05:10 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. What are you basing this off of? The only other international esport I can think of that China is big in is Dota where they don't completely dominate even though they once did.
Yes, and there is an easy explanation for why they don't monopolize the Dota scene: there's no Korea to poach from.
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On March 15 2015 05:18 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. China does not remotely have the same infrastructure and gaming culture. They do have money though, and are able to buy success via poaching Korean players, which has the simultaneous effect of improving the Chinese scene while weakening the Korean scene, leading to parity. But the cost is pretty high and it doesn't look all that great when you have to win by buying top Korean players + top Korean coaches. Around 40% of both LPL and LSPL are filled with Koreans. Basically every top LPL team has a Korean coach except OMG.
Are you leaving out the part that most of the LPL/LSPL teams who have korean coaches or korean teammates, the Koreans tend to get outperformed by their Chinese counterparts? Literally aside from the major big names, most of the teams are sidegraded at best ...
Edit: Wait why the hell am I even responding to you lol. Aren't you that dude who basically just hates on China in anything related to esports?
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On March 15 2015 05:18 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. China does not remotely have the same infrastructure and gaming culture. They do have money though, and are able to buy success via poaching Korean players, which has the simultaneous effect of improving the Chinese scene while weakening the Korean scene, leading to parity. But the cost is pretty high and it doesn't look all that great when you have to win by buying top Korean players + top Korean coaches. Around 40% of both LPL and LSPL are filled with Koreans. Basically every top LPL team has a Korean coach except OMG.
china easily can build the same infrastructure like korea. just look at the stream numbers they have in china. so much money. money makes opportunites.
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On March 15 2015 05:20 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:18 Azarkon wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. China does not remotely have the same infrastructure and gaming culture. They do have money though, and are able to buy success via poaching Korean players, which has the simultaneous effect of improving the Chinese scene while weakening the Korean scene, leading to parity. But the cost is pretty high and it doesn't look all that great when you have to win by buying top Korean players + top Korean coaches. Around 40% of both LPL and LSPL are filled with Koreans. Basically every top LPL team has a Korean coach except OMG. Are you leaving out the part that most of the LPL/LSPL teams who have korean coaches or korean teammates, the Koreans tend to get outperformed by their Chinese counterparts? Literally aside from the major big names, most of the teams are sidegraded at best ...
Look at who you are replying to, and don't do it.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 15 2015 05:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 15 2015 05:10 Numy wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. What are you basing this off of? The only other international esport I can think of that China is big in is Dota where they don't completely dominate even though they once did. Even China being big in DotA is never endless reign. Like, there were those great teams like EHOME-2010, ZSMJ's LGD, Nirvana.CN, but since that day, there wasn't a single day, when China could enter any tournament being undisputed #1, outside of TI2. TI4...? 5 Chinese teams enter, all 5 in top 8, only eliminated by other Chinese teams, got ~80% of the prize pool collectrively, CN-CN finals.
Did they really enter like undisputed favourites?
LGD weren't considered as favourite to get to top-8, iG are always shaky, DK/Newbee/VG, for sure, and even then, Newbee struggled so heavily in first few days that even I, being Hao fanboy, wasn't sure in anything.
But okay.
If not for unicorn, WE could have legit chance in this game.
But Aluka is too LPL champion.
Lol, Azarkon is summoned, well done, babes.
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On March 15 2015 05:22 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 15 2015 05:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 15 2015 05:10 Numy wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. What are you basing this off of? The only other international esport I can think of that China is big in is Dota where they don't completely dominate even though they once did. Even China being big in DotA is never endless reign. Like, there were those great teams like EHOME-2010, ZSMJ's LGD, Nirvana.CN, but since that day, there wasn't a single day, when China could enter any tournament being undisputed #1, outside of TI2. TI4...? 5 Chinese teams enter, all 5 in top 8, only eliminated by other Chinese teams, got ~80% of the prize pool collectrively, CN-CN finals. Did they really enter like undisputed favourites?LGD weren't considered as favourite to get to top-8, iG are always shaky, DK/Newbee/VG, for sure. But okay. If not for unicorn, WE could have legit chance in this game. But Aluka is too LPL champion.
Yes they did. 100%
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On March 15 2015 05:22 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 15 2015 05:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 15 2015 05:10 Numy wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. What are you basing this off of? The only other international esport I can think of that China is big in is Dota where they don't completely dominate even though they once did. Even China being big in DotA is never endless reign. Like, there were those great teams like EHOME-2010, ZSMJ's LGD, Nirvana.CN, but since that day, there wasn't a single day, when China could enter any tournament being undisputed #1, outside of TI2. TI4...? 5 Chinese teams enter, all 5 in top 8, only eliminated by other Chinese teams, got ~80% of the prize pool collectrively, CN-CN finals. Did they really enter like undisputed favourites? LGD weren't considered as favourite to get to top-8, iG are always shaky, DK/Newbee/VG, for sure. But okay. If not for unicorn, WE could have legit chance in this game. But Aluka is too LPL champion.
Oddly enough, wasn't DK the undisputed favorite entering into TI4? (rip Burning  ).
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Why did they pick Aluka the LPL champino the pony.
On March 15 2015 05:23 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:22 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 15 2015 05:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On March 15 2015 05:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On March 15 2015 05:10 Numy wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. What are you basing this off of? The only other international esport I can think of that China is big in is Dota where they don't completely dominate even though they once did. Even China being big in DotA is never endless reign. Like, there were those great teams like EHOME-2010, ZSMJ's LGD, Nirvana.CN, but since that day, there wasn't a single day, when China could enter any tournament being undisputed #1, outside of TI2. TI4...? 5 Chinese teams enter, all 5 in top 8, only eliminated by other Chinese teams, got ~80% of the prize pool collectrively, CN-CN finals. Did they really enter like undisputed favourites? LGD weren't considered as favourite to get to top-8, iG are always shaky, DK/Newbee/VG, for sure. But okay. If not for unicorn, WE could have legit chance in this game. But Aluka is too LPL champion. Oddly enough, wasn't DK the undisputed favorite entering into TI4? (rip Burning ).
Nah they were off form going into TI4. Only people that thought they were favorites were fanboys or people that didn't pay attention to the scene.
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On March 15 2015 05:23 Numy wrote:
Why did they pick Aluka the LPL champino the pony.
Tree gone, sion banned. Pwny I guess
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On March 15 2015 05:20 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:18 Azarkon wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. China does not remotely have the same infrastructure and gaming culture. They do have money though, and are able to buy success via poaching Korean players, which has the simultaneous effect of improving the Chinese scene while weakening the Korean scene, leading to parity. But the cost is pretty high and it doesn't look all that great when you have to win by buying top Korean players + top Korean coaches. Around 40% of both LPL and LSPL are filled with Koreans. Basically every top LPL team has a Korean coach except OMG. Are you leaving out the part that most of the LPL/LSPL teams who have korean coaches or korean teammates, the Koreans tend to get outperformed by their Chinese counterparts? Literally aside from the major big names, most of the teams are sidegraded at best ...
Is that why Deft, Pawn, Imp, etc. are carrying their teams every game? There are Chinese teams in which the Korean players are not the MVPs, but no Chinese team in which the Koreans aren't having a huge impact.
User was warned for this post
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On March 15 2015 05:23 Numy wrote:
Why did they pick Aluka the LPL champino the pony.
You click one button and you win, as opposed to other champinos where you need to press more than one button.
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On March 15 2015 05:25 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2015 05:20 KissBlade wrote:On March 15 2015 05:18 Azarkon wrote:On March 15 2015 05:08 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:05 ketchup wrote:On March 15 2015 05:02 Maluk wrote:On March 15 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
My god is S5 Worlds going to be a clusterfuck. China just wins at this rate lol. That is a good thing. Maybe it will finally convince Korean companies to start treating/paying their players better(if the exodus already hasn't) I don't think Korea can recover from a period of chinese domination. China has more money, the same infrastructure, and elite players of its own. If China takes over it will not be a temporary reign. China does not remotely have the same infrastructure and gaming culture. They do have money though, and are able to buy success via poaching Korean players, which has the simultaneous effect of improving the Chinese scene while weakening the Korean scene, leading to parity. But the cost is pretty high and it doesn't look all that great when you have to win by buying top Korean players + top Korean coaches. Around 40% of both LPL and LSPL are filled with Koreans. Basically every top LPL team has a Korean coach except OMG. Are you leaving out the part that most of the LPL/LSPL teams who have korean coaches or korean teammates, the Koreans tend to get outperformed by their Chinese counterparts? Literally aside from the major big names, most of the teams are sidegraded at best ... Is that why Deft, Pawn, Imp, etc. are carrying their teams every game? There are Chinese teams in which the Korean players are not the MVPs, but no Chinese team in which the Koreans aren't having a huge impact.
Pure chinese 4 lyfe.
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WHOA that charm just barely landed. WOOOWwwwww
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