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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 08 2015 07:23 Nos- wrote: Bang was pretty out of position in game 1 imo, but so was the entire team hue they were in a pretty desperate position. i don't think he should be farming an unwarded lane like that but they also should have got it warded. as soon as ggoong got his rotbk he just went hunting for poor trist | ||
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LilBigBlue
New Zealand86 Posts
On January 08 2015 09:56 oneofthem wrote: they were in a pretty desperate position. i don't think he should be farming an unwarded lane like that but they also should have got it warded. as soon as ggoong got his rotbk he just went hunting for poor trist The strength of the SKT bot lane isn't Bang, it's pretty much Wolf, he a top tier OGN support. If SKT got Ohq then they would be dominating Najin. Also Bengi isn't a problem like you say. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i dont see how you can say bengi is not a problem. | ||
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LilBigBlue
New Zealand86 Posts
On January 08 2015 14:37 oneofthem wrote: bang is unquestionably strong in lane, to the point of allowing wolf to roam a bit. najin's lane switch enabled it as well, but bang was 1v2 for stretches with trist. i dont see how you can say bengi is not a problem. Maybe I'm being to literal. But what.... That's not how support roams work. Here's some situations of support roams. Also bang can 1v2 because they had no champs that had kill pressure on him in lane. They are pushed to tower and the enemy cannot dive, the support can roam. This does not work if they are pushed to the enemy tower or they get zoned. Even if the jungler was there he would have to be close enough to turn the fight, which would in turn suggest that the jungler and/or support is there or why would the adc play so far up, this is risky so it's seen less. Last one I can think of the top of my head is the support doesn't need to base immediately, but the adc does this lets the support preform a roam. This is rotations and wave management not mechanics. An Adc won't be that fed to 1v2 like you suggest Bengi from that series snowballed game 2 and did average in 3. In game 1 it was more of the drafting that lost it, the loss was on the whole team evenly. He isn't a shit player like you perceive him to be | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
On January 08 2015 15:06 LilBigBlue wrote: Maybe I'm being to literal. But what.... That's not how support roams work. Here's some situations of support roams. Also bang can 1v2 because they had no champs that had kill pressure on him in lane. They are pushed to tower and the enemy cannot dive, the support can roam. This does not work if they are pushed to the enemy tower or they get zoned. Even if the jungler was there he would have to be close enough to turn the fight, which would in turn suggest that the jungler and/or support is there or why would the adc play so far up, this is risky so it's seen less. Last one I can think of the top of my head is the support doesn't need to base immediately, but the adc does this lets the support preform a roam. This is rotations and wave management not mechanics. An Adc won't be that fed to 1v2 like you suggest Bengi from that series snowballed game 2 and did average in 3. In game 1 it was more of the drafting that lost it, the loss was on the whole team evenly. He isn't a shit player like you perceive him to be Bengi did his share of work no doubt but saying he snowballed game 2 as if he did the most work is ridiculous. Marin's great tp ambush is what ultimately gave SKT the breakthrough they needed to win the game. http://i.imgur.com/12kU3ZK.jpg Even if you just judge from the end-game screenshot of game 2, you can see he has the least Kill+Assist of the entire team. In addition, he is the only death of the team when he died to Jayce's blast just as they were doing baron (thankfully Eazyhoon managed to secure Baron or Najin may have delayed for their late-game comp to kick in.) I don't understand how people can say Bengi is not the problem when he is clearly the weakest member in SKT at the moment. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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LilBigBlue
New Zealand86 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
speaking of substitutes they need to be developed, and you'll never have a good jungler sub if you don't have jungler prospects. najin just picked up this guy called najin peanut/queenho who is top 10 challenger atm as a prospect. could probably wipe the floor with bengi in due time. the game 1 draft was pretty bad but there was still a chance to win if they could weather the midgame storm. i put the blame on the decision to take the dragon fight when they already lost two lanes, and then bang getting caught too much. however, they were probably feeling that with a certain level of coordination and map movement they could drag out the game ssb style and win against the worst case scenario in terms of giving the opponent the early-mid aggression. it's a high wire act that clearly they were not up to fulfilling, but bengi's play accelerated the najin snowball. the rumble ganks in particular were pretty bad. it was already very hard to kill a rumble with mundo as partner, but he should have seen the rumble playing very safe until zed was called miss at mid. giving rumble the kill there led to marin being fucked and the hard rumble snowball. i dont really remember what happened at the dragon fight that is most likely a team wide decision. | ||
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ConnorLizerd
United States20 Posts
It was good to see NaJin use roaming to effectively win the first game against the ticking time bomb that SKT had and Faker on Xerath and LeBlanc is always a pleasure to watch. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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