EPT[NA LCS] Summer Playoffs Week 1 - Page 39
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:23 ManBaker wrote: Told you, this was the first teamfight of the entire game, first teamfight Olaf was in, when TSM was up 14k gold. If this happened in 2 of the dragons Dignitas gave away for FREE, it'd have been much different. :'):'):') Well, sure, try that, especially at dragon. Nunu's W, Lulu's W, Nami's passive, Lucian's W's passive keep whoever Olaf tries to get to out of reach, and if he gets close anyway Lulu's E and R, Nami's W, and summoner Heal keep it alive. Meanwhile, Syndra's E and Nami's ult split Dignitas in 2, and Olaf dies while TSM are mostly untouched. They turn around, and the speed buffs that allowed them to kite Olaf now can be used to chase Dignitas if they stay around. Olaf also only had Hexdrinker and a Negatron for defense at that point. Lucian would melt him without even trying with just The Culling because of absolutely nothing toward physical EHP. And I won't even mention the possibility of IE crits. But yeah, sure, and next time tell me Tristana with Shiv first would be amazing in the early dragon fights against Ashe+Rumble. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:25 Shiznick wrote: He played solid in the other games, but the only thing he ever did was splitpush, which was also the only thing he ever did on coast. He needs a more diverse toolkit. It's not like any toplaner is doing other thiings outside of splitpush and fighting over objectives. Ah well, how could i forget farming fests and double jungling. On August 24 2014 09:26 Jek wrote: Lustboy played like a beast this match, the unsung hero of the series IMO. Difference between Lustboy and KiWiKiD just got series into TSM's bag, that's it. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:24 Gorsameth wrote: Nasus wins game 1. Never banned or picked since Not sure why didn't they pick him in game 2 (I assume they wanted to keep TSM confused and save the Nasus strategy for later), but in games 3 and 4 TSM didn't go for Mao, and Nasus was the counterpick for tree. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 24 2014 08:28 Uldridge wrote: How long is a really really long time? Because she became strong once bt got nerfed. late to this, but I think really long time is after her ranges on E and ult got buffed. While yes, BT nerf definitely helped her, I'm starting to think that even before the BT nerf, she was a decently good pick because of Statikk Shiv. Even post BT nerf, a lot of pros played BF Sword into Shiv rush Tristana with significant success. The early Shiv before finishing IE helps to cover Tristana's midgame weaknesses. With E max plus Shiv, she can effectively clear waves and push all day long, buying her valuable time to finish her IE. What the BT nerf did was make it so that AD carries that were powerful with just flat amounts of AD like Lucian became less dominating, giving "weaker" AD carries more space. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:25 Shiznick wrote: He played solid in the other games, but the only thing he ever did was splitpush, which was also the only thing he ever did on coast. He needs a more diverse toolkit. You are mistaking what he is forced to do for his team for what he decides to do. He is forced to split push, because his team cannot fight. Their team comps didn't support it. He split pushes because he has no other choice for his team. On August 24 2014 09:26 Jek wrote: Lustboy played like a beast this match, the unsung hero of the series IMO. I agree. His bubbles/disengage were great. I think he was a huge reason why won that third game. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:29 ketchup wrote: You are mistaking what he is forced to do for his team for what he decides to do. He is forced to split push, because his team cannot fight. Their team comps didn't support it. He split pushes because he has no other choice for his team. I agree. His bubbles/disengage were great. I think he probably allowed them to win that third game. So which is it, he was forced to split because of team comp makeup, or they were forced into those team comps because it's all he can do? I'm happy a Mallet lost, so people don't buy that piece of shit. | ||
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Tenhou
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:32 Gahlo wrote: So which is it, he was forced to split because of team comp makeup, or they were forced into those team comps because it's all he can do? I'm happy a Mallet lost, so people don't buy that piece of shit. I guess that's a matter of your perspective on Zionspartan. I don't believe "all he can do" is split push. I think he has shown how versatile/flexible he is throughout the seasons, but people just like to pretend that all he does is split push. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:36 ketchup wrote: I guess that's a matter of your perspective on Zionspartan. I don't believe "all he can do" is split push. I think he has shown how versatile/flexible he is throughout the seasons, but people just like to pretend that all he does is split push. I don't think all he can do is splitpush, but he and Dig certainly seem to have the most success when he's on a splitpush monster. Regarding the Olaf pick. I don't think it was necessarily a bad pick, Dig just played the game out very poorly. Olaf can 1v1 and splitpush reasonably well, but Olaf is imo strongest in midgame 5v5 teamfights or small skirmishes. By waiting until both sides were 5 slotted to join the team meant that Olaf completely missed his power spike. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:38 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't think all he can do is splitpush, but he and Dig certainly seem to have the most success when he's on a splitpush monster. Regarding the Olaf pick. I don't think it was necessarily a bad pick, Dig just played the game out very poorly. Olaf can 1v1 and splitpush reasonably well, but Olaf is imo strongest in midgame 5v5 teamfights or small skirmishes. By waiting until both sides were 5 slotted to join the team meant that Olaf completely missed his power spike. I don't disagree with that at all. Zion does really really well in 1v1 situations. I think Dignitas knows how good zionspartan is in those situations. The problem is that when Dignitas is behind(and Coast applies as well), they rely heavily on Zionspartan to carry them out of it. I think it's a pattern that occurs due to how good he is. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
So he'd need to shove waves and use them to damage the towers. 'cept he's Olaf, and she's Lulu. No way he'd clear fast enough. He got bot t2 down to half because Dyrus was playing badly and scared as heck, meaning he let the wave reach the tower without clearing it, slowly whittling the structure down. But unless he's super fed from early on Olaf vs Lulu shouldn't be able to solo push a turret, he'd at least need someone else to gank so they can kill Lulu fast enough he'd survive the dive, and then be able to hit the tower. Of course Dignitas's non-existant vision game only made things worse for him. | ||
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Affenaffe
Germany1386 Posts
On August 24 2014 09:44 Alaric wrote: Olaf doesn't burst people apart from very early, and he was against Lulu who can kite him and abuse shields (even moreso one she gets some AP going), so diving her is absolutely out of the question, especially since he itemised MR and towers have been hugely buffed against solo dives recently (it takes 2 less shots to almost double their damage on champions now). So he'd need to shove waves and use them to damage the towers. 'cept he's Olaf, and she's Lulu. No way he'd clear fast enough. He got bot t2 down to half because Dyrus was playing badly and scared as heck, meaning he let the wave reach the tower without clearing it, slowly whittling the structure down. But unless he's super fed from early on Olaf vs Lulu shouldn't be able to solo push a turret, he'd at least need someone else to gank so they can kill Lulu fast enough he'd survive the dive, and then be able to hit the tower. Of course Dignitas's non-existant vision game only made things worse for him. that's not my experience of olaf lanes, if you are ranged then you really dont have the dps to fight the axe-powered all-in and take a huge chunk of damage while crawling away. his teamfighting however is atrocious, low burst, no jump. his mechanic of getting low and stay that way for a few seconds doesn't work at all against 5 | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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ketchup
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 24 2014 11:19 Amethyst21 wrote: Wow, LoD just lost the game for LOLPro. That was a sweet teamfight from Coast in the following 5v4. I guess he just made up for it now. He got tower top + inhib + lulu kill + both nexus turrets. THIS GAME WUT | ||
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Amethyst21
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