We're done here, XWX just died 1v1 early, isn't it like first time in the season, rofl? People should finally consider banning Orianna from pr0lly though, it's probably only real scary midlane by him.
On July 27 2014 04:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: We're done here, XWX just died 1v1 early, isn't it like first time in the season, rofl? People should finally consider banning Orianna from pr0lly though, it's probably only real scary midlane by him.
Wow Westrice is definitely the most improved player this season. He went from absolutely god awful during challenger series to really stepping it up and being a legit LCS top lane contender. He's been playing stellar for the last half of this split.
On July 27 2014 04:41 Figgy wrote: Wow Westrice is definitely the most improved player this season. He went from absolutely god awful during challenger series to really stepping it up and being a legit LCS top lane contender. He's been playing stellar for the last half of this split.
Then Seraph is a literal God, if Westrice is stellar for last 11 games.
On July 27 2014 04:41 Figgy wrote: Wow Westrice is definitely the most improved player this season. He went from absolutely god awful during challenger series to really stepping it up and being a legit LCS top lane contender. He's been playing stellar for the last half of this split.
Then Seraph is a literal God, if Westrice is stellar for last 11 games.
I think he means stellar compared to how awful Westrice was. True the bar was really low lol.
You're a CLG fan wonderful, you should be on the forefront of the seraph militia #AllRespectToSeraph Complexity pls, when China is outrotating you mistakes were made MISTAKES WERE MADE
On July 27 2014 04:50 Fusilero wrote: You're a CLG fan wonderful, you should be on the forefront of the seraph militia #AllRespectToSeraph Complexity pls, when China is outrotating you mistakes were made MISTAKES WERE MADE
Well, rofl, he's good but not good enough yet. He will be legit next season though, i hope.
On July 27 2014 04:41 Figgy wrote: Wow Westrice is definitely the most improved player this season. He went from absolutely god awful during challenger series to really stepping it up and being a legit LCS top lane contender. He's been playing stellar for the last half of this split.
Then Seraph is a literal God, if Westrice is stellar for last 11 games.
I think he means stellar compared to how awful Westrice was. True the bar was really low lol.
That's like improving from 1/10 into 4/10. Not that good, not that bad.
Honestly I haven't seen an impressive Eve player all split. Don't really understand why teams prioritize her so much when they either have no impact or negative impact.
On July 27 2014 04:54 Numy wrote: Did col just fall asleep? How do you give up dragon and mid tower while you are ahead?
Tristana was half HP and after Gragas TP'd first they lost control of the area. It's not a good idea to try and initiate against Gragas and Braum. Plus Nidalee isn't that good in full-blown teamfights.
On July 27 2014 04:54 Numy wrote: Did col just fall asleep? How do you give up dragon and mid tower while you are ahead?
Tristana was half HP and after Gragas TP'd first they lost control of the area. It's not a good idea to try and initiate against Gragas and Braum. Plus Nidalee isn't that good in full-blown teamfights.
Still losing 2 objectives while getting absolutely nothing in return while your have the gold lead just seems awful.
Uggh that wa so bad. Kez has to be one of the worst players in LCS. I dunno know whos shotcalling in CoL but.. man ;/ It looked like their brains just stopped working and they forgot where is ON button.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
Everyone was saying that LMQ weren't going to land up top 3 after they won their promos. Just find it funny how the actual results are completely different to what people thought.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
I'm not going to put any money on LMQ in playoffs, everything can happen.
If they're going to act like old KT Bullets again in bo5, top-4 is the bar for them. They seem to choke in midgame against C9, with CLG it's absolute slaughter every game without any idea behind and TSM are going to be completely different in a month.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
Everyone was saying that LMQ weren't going to land up top 3 after they won their promos. Just find it funny how the actual results are completely different to what people thought.
Before that people were trying to convince us LMQ was gonna be stomped by XDG haha.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
Everyone was saying that LMQ weren't going to land up top 3 after they won their promos. Just find it funny how the actual results are completely different to what people thought.
Oh I see it was sarcasm and not an actual prediction. Got it.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
I'm not going to put any money on LMQ in playoffs, everything can happen.
If they're going to act like old KT Bullets again in bo5, top-4 is the bar for them. They seem to choke in midgame against C9, with CLG it's absolute slaughter every game without any idea behind and TSM are going to be completely different in a month.
On the other hand, I would say C9 and DIG are falling off pretty big. The only team I see them having issues with in playoffs is CLG.
Well, you can only call so many teams "mediocre" and "only doing well because people didn't figure them out yet" before you eventually underestimate an actually good team like LMQ. It doesn't help that C9 is on a massive slump, TSM are under constant roster changes and both CLG and Dig tend to derp when least expected.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
Everyone was saying that LMQ weren't going to land up top 3 after they won their promos. Just find it funny how the actual results are completely different to what people thought.
Before that people were trying to convince us LMQ was gonna be stomped by XDG haha.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
I'm not going to put any money on LMQ in playoffs, everything can happen.
If they're going to act like old KT Bullets again in bo5, top-4 is the bar for them. They seem to choke in midgame against C9, with CLG it's absolute slaughter every game without any idea behind and TSM are going to be completely different in a month.
On the other hand, I would say C9 and DIG are falling off pretty big. The only team I see them having issues with in playoffs is CLG.
I don't think C9 will be that bad in playoffs. Bo1 is one story, bo5 is totally different and Lemon and Co will have time for preparations.
Don't wanna see LMQ-CLG until the finals though, will be legit ending to the season.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
I'm not going to put any money on LMQ in playoffs, everything can happen.
If they're going to act like old KT Bullets again in bo5, top-4 is the bar for them. They seem to choke in midgame against C9, with CLG it's absolute slaughter every game without any idea behind and TSM are going to be completely different in a month.
On the other hand, I would say C9 and DIG are falling off pretty big. The only team I see them having issues with in playoffs is CLG.
I don't think C9 will be that bad in playoffs. Bo1 is one story, bo5 is totally different and Lemon and Co will have time for preparations.
Don't wanna see LMQ-CLG until the finals though, will be legit ending to the season.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
I'm not going to put any money on LMQ in playoffs, everything can happen.
If they're going to act like old KT Bullets again in bo5, top-4 is the bar for them. They seem to choke in midgame against C9, with CLG it's absolute slaughter every game without any idea behind and TSM are going to be completely different in a month.
On the other hand, I would say C9 and DIG are falling off pretty big. The only team I see them having issues with in playoffs is CLG.
I don't think C9 will be that bad in playoffs. Bo1 is one story, bo5 is totally different and Lemon and Co will have time for preparations.
Don't wanna see LMQ-CLG until the finals though, will be legit ending to the season.
So, we can see even more baron throws
Not just one silent hotshot rage reactions but three silent hotshot rage reactions in a row! The question is when lomoQ secures their top 2 will they enter full LPL yolo mode?
Despite being an LMQ fan I don't think they're all that... They're nowhere as consistent as my heart'd like them to be. It's just that NA players/fans vastly overestimate NA teams' ability. (see: predictions of LMQ:XDG, predictions at the start of the split, predictions after the first superweek, etc) LMQ isn't godly, NA teams are just worse than LMQ lol.
On July 27 2014 05:03 Redox wrote: LMQ just straight up much better.
Pity they aren't that good and will only land up 4th at best LOL. Freaking NA players man.
What do you mean? 4th in NA?
Everyone was saying that LMQ weren't going to land up top 3 after they won their promos. Just find it funny how the actual results are completely different to what people thought.
Before that people were trying to convince us LMQ was gonna be stomped by XDG haha.
I believed until the end
Poor soul. I feel your pain.
I don't think LMQ is that amazing but they are a pretty fun team that don't really do boring games that often. They are inconsistent but so is everyone in LCS so that doesn't say that much on it's own.
On July 27 2014 05:21 Mikau wrote: Lustboy new support for TSM? What rock did I live under?
I mean Gleeb was the weaker link on TSM but replacing him seems a bit much. Or was it planned from the start when they signed Gleeb?
You missed some drama. It supposedly wasn't planned and supposedly was due to some conflicts with Gleeb's attitude or something. There's a vlog from Loco about it where he explains the situation but it felt more like marketing bs.
On July 27 2014 05:21 Mikau wrote: Lustboy new support for TSM? What rock did I live under?
I mean Gleeb was the weaker link on TSM but replacing him seems a bit much. Or was it planned from the start when they signed Gleeb?
The general consensus is that this is desperation move, they have a horrible win rate against the other top teams so they decided replacing gleeb with lustboy might be what they need (the answer is probably they don't)
On July 27 2014 05:21 Mikau wrote: Lustboy new support for TSM? What rock did I live under?
I mean Gleeb was the weaker link on TSM but replacing him seems a bit much. Or was it planned from the start when they signed Gleeb?
The general consensus is that this is desperation move, they have a horrible win rate against the other top teams so they decided replacing gleeb with lustboy might be what they need (the answer is probably they don't)
From watching TSM the last few weeks it seemed that while Gleeb was probably the weakest player on the team, what was really costing them games was questionable strategy and shotcalling. Even if Lustboy is a mechanical god relative to Gleeb, that shouldn't really change TSM's major weaknesses.
On July 27 2014 05:22 TitusVI wrote: In theory wildturtle has now no one to blaim if he messes up.
Sure we'll see Lustboy being replaced after TSM don't make worlds due to attitude issues.
And korea gets offended how the U.S treats their players and stopps diplomatic relations. Joke asside, it was said that Gleep had problem socialising with the team. this can ablsolutly be a huge problem.
On July 27 2014 05:31 AsnSensation wrote: NALCS= CJ BLAZE REJECTS (e: or retirement home if you want to view this positively)
Can't wait for crs.reapered then
you should rather watch out for crs.cptjack in Spring 2015
Stealths are going to be contender next season and i don't think that Jack needs money, rofl. On the other hand, i won't be surprised by Ambition in NA.
On July 27 2014 05:31 AsnSensation wrote: NALCS= CJ BLAZE REJECTS (e: or retirement home if you want to view this positively)
Can't wait for crs.reapered then
you should rather watch out for crs.cptjack in Spring 2015
Stealths are going to be contender next season and i don't think that Jack needs money, rofl. On the other hand, i won't be surprised by Ambition in NA.
Spring split bjergsen would be nothing on ambition in NA
I feel bad for the casters, they will have to answer the question "did the addition of Lustboy paid off ?" when TSM is playing against the worst NA team.
Well, it was a good warmup before tomorrow's match against CLG. I hope they were really just playing with EG and didn't do all these weird things because they didn't know what else to do.
On July 27 2014 06:02 Steins;Gate wrote: Still not as one-sided as SKT vs Ozone in OGN Winter, pretty meh game tho. Hope Dig vs c9 would be a lot better
If SKT T1 - White OGN Winter finals is the most one-sided game in history of LoL, i'm just done. Ozone at least was trying to fight the unstoppable demon.
... 'k, Dig shit week. "Please, take that dragon for free. Your only summoners are flash on Ori and Tristana, while we have 2 Heals on you, and you lack Fissure while we lack The Box. Take it for free, we won't do anything in exchange."
They'd have been ready to give up the red too. Wut. Dig are outscaled and are giving everything up to C9 in the midgame. Ah, whatever. Cross it as a lost game, and we'll see how it pans out.
On July 27 2014 06:42 IMoperator wrote: how come these threads always go dead when c9 plays lol
Nothing to speak about in this game actually. Everyone who watches LCS close enough knows that Crumbzz blows after having decent week and in general, this game is going to explode next dragon anyway.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
Jokes aside, pr0lly beat XWX in that matchup, so i assume that Orianna still have an edge as an almost every mid matchup, rofl.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
Shiptur has been pretty bad in lane overall too.Lane wise would say it is a fair matchup honestly.Shiptur doesn't randomly get caught and lose the game like hai regularly does though lol.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
He has already used something like 10 champions, still underwhelming on each one. Nidalee was the best probably, but rofl, what can you expect from old Nidalee.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
He has already used something like 10 champions, still underwhelming on each one. Nidalee was the best probably, but rofl, what can you expect from old Nidalee.
hai isnt really good on the meta champs which sucks for c9
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
He has already used something like 10 champions, still underwhelming on each one. Nidalee was the best probably, but rofl, what can you expect from old Nidalee.
hai isnt really good on the meta champs which sucks for c9
Honestly, if you're challenger player/considered as best NA midlaner and had like half of 2014 adapting, you could learn at least how to play Ziggs, Orianna, Xerath and Syndra. Nothing hard there, but Hai still blows somehow on everything, dunno why ain't they trying to put him on Lulu because he played it last season with success at least and you can lose lane with Lulu and still be useful.
How are Dig still that ahead in gold? When they could have leveraged a lead (especially in terms of towers, and buffs/dragons) Crumbzz got caught stupidly and they got nothing.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
He has already used something like 10 champions, still underwhelming on each one. Nidalee was the best probably, but rofl, what can you expect from old Nidalee.
hai isnt really good on the meta champs which sucks for c9
Honestly, if you're challenger player/considered as best NA midlaner and had like half of 2014 adapting, you could learn at least how to play Ziggs, Orianna, Xerath and Syndra. Nothing hard there, but Hai still blows somehow on everything, dunno why ain't they trying to put him on Lulu because he played it last season with success at least and you can lose lane with Lulu and still be useful.
Hai seems pretty bad at any champion where he can't all in at level 4 with ignite
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
He has already used something like 10 champions, still underwhelming on each one. Nidalee was the best probably, but rofl, what can you expect from old Nidalee.
hai isnt really good on the meta champs which sucks for c9
Hes a pro player. This literally is hit job. saying the meta champions are bad for him when he has underperformed all season is a BS excuse. If hes bad at them he should be working on improving them 5 days a week.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
He has already used something like 10 champions, still underwhelming on each one. Nidalee was the best probably, but rofl, what can you expect from old Nidalee.
hai isnt really good on the meta champs which sucks for c9
Hes a pro player. This literally is hit job. saying the meta champions are bad for him when he has underperformed all season is a BS excuse. If hes bad at them he should be working on improving them 5 days a week.
Not to mention I can't remember the last time Ori wasn't used. She's just always been a good pick in the meta for last few years. Even when Zed was huge ori still got picked. If he's bad with her it's nothing about "meta" being bad, he's just bad.
On July 27 2014 06:51 nafta wrote: After watching eu I thought orianna was supposed to beat xerath.I guess it is a skillmatchup and all na oriannas are kinda bad.
Hai has been horrible all split so doesn't say much.
I dont get why Hai keeps going for Ori, hes been pretty bad it all season >< use some other champions plz! its not like they can really be worse.
He has already used something like 10 champions, still underwhelming on each one. Nidalee was the best probably, but rofl, what can you expect from old Nidalee.
hai isnt really good on the meta champs which sucks for c9
Hes a pro player. This literally is hit job. saying the meta champions are bad for him when he has underperformed all season is a BS excuse. If hes bad at them he should be working on improving them 5 days a week.
i know, i wasnt saying it as an excuse, i was just stating facts, that hai is bad on meta champs
Hai had his moments, he was one of the better zeds and general assassin player because of his all in at level 4 approach and had a really good IEM at Katowice. But he hasn't had said moments in god knows how long except for abusing prework nid
To be completely honest, i was expecting Hai to pick Zed tonight, considering that dade picked it on Friday. And it's ok matchup against Xerath, which he could predict or just play Zed-Ahri matchup which he HAS TO KNOW.
And if Hai is so hyped as s3 player, i don't get why is he that lackluster on Fizz and don't play Ahri. Or at least they can fucking run Gragas mid if he blows that hard, God bless C9.
Dignitas are hilarious, though.
On July 27 2014 07:03 Dandel Ion wrote: hai was never considered the best na midlaner the only time he didn't just straight up lose in lane, ever, was with soraka. because soraka hue.
the argument was always "yeah he blows in lane but he's our full shotcaller so its worth"
Considering level of NA midlane in 2013 he was the best and last time C9 won and he won mid matchup against Bjergsen, so, hue. Who cares though, Meteos blows -> Hai blows.
On July 27 2014 07:03 Dandel Ion wrote: hai was never considered the best na midlaner the only time he didn't just straight up lose in lane, ever, was with soraka. because soraka hue.
the argument was always "yeah he blows in lane but he's our full shotcaller so its worth"
Are you talking about Hai "would've beaten OMG" Lam???
On July 27 2014 07:03 Dandel Ion wrote: hai was never considered the best na midlaner the only time he didn't just straight up lose in lane, ever, was with soraka. because soraka hue.
the argument was always "yeah he blows in lane but he's our full shotcaller so its worth"
Are you talking about Hai "would've beaten OMG" Lam???
At this point garbage Dignicoast should just burn Xerath's ult to clear th side-waves Ziggs-style because they have absolutely no lane control which makes their already awful vision control even worse. Of course it won't do anything to solve their (lack of) midgame decision-making (which is still better than the trash-tier decision-making they sometimes exhibit) but you gotta do with what you have I guess.
Mancloud was absolutely better than hai in S3 even factoring how much help xmithie normally gave him, in terms of individual play but vulcan were a fucking stupid team and he had zoonie. Also meteos has been pretty bad without lee sin anyway, his rango was beyond awful and he's been invisible otherwise.
Is it worth going full AP on gragas top? Seems they need at least one person on their team that can take a few hits. Rengar does nothing but die and the rest die in 2 hits so they can never fight.
On July 27 2014 07:07 Shiznick wrote: how do you get reverse snowballed off of losing your jungler once this hard
Their comp was midgame oriented, heavily outscaled, which means they were very reliant on tempo. They just had a nashor and they fucked up which terminated their push and nash buff, cut down their momentum, and let C9 reestablish themselves and get control of the game later.
In other words: Dignitas are still unable to play out the comps they pick and they have no balls.
On July 27 2014 07:07 Fusilero wrote: Mancloud was absolutely better than hai in S3 even factoring how much help xmithie normally gave him, in terms of individual play but vulcan were a fucking stupid team and he had zoonie.
mancloud was legitimately good, but Vulcun were blowing so hard sometimes, so they even lost to TSM in semifinals of Summer.
GG Dignitas, just go out. You're done this season, 5th place the dream.
On July 27 2014 07:11 nafta wrote: Really hate this no boots rengar a lot of players seem to do.It's like they don't even understand what is the point of the pick.
Has there been a single impressive rengar in NA LCS or even any team that's shown why you would want the pick?
lol its pretty clear that the advantage top teams have over the lesser teams is better team play mid/late game. early game, they can get behind, but due to their map movements, rotations, objective control, etc are able to claw back into an advantageous position.
On July 27 2014 07:09 Numy wrote: Is it worth going full AP on gragas top? Seems they need at least one person on their team that can take a few hits. Rengar does nothing but die and the rest die in 2 hits so they can never fight.
Most of the Gragas builds I see the pros have most success on is RoA into Lich Bane into tanky items, where you can burst down some people you catch out while still being able to engage with the big barrel or headbutt.
On July 27 2014 07:11 nafta wrote: Really hate this no boots rengar a lot of players seem to do.It's like they don't even understand what is the point of the pick.
Has there been a single impressive rengar in NA LCS or even any team that's shown why you would want the pick?
dexter was at least making an impression against LMQ but i guess, it was more about absolute slaughterhouse, rofl.
Poll: C9 - DIG
- NA Rengar blows. (7)
64%
- Bad game (2)
18%
- Mediocre game (1)
9%
- Good game (1)
9%
- Excellent game (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: C9 - DIG
(Vote): - Excellent game (Vote): - Good game (Vote): - Mediocre game (Vote): - Bad game (Vote): - NA Rengar blows.
On July 27 2014 07:11 nafta wrote: Really hate this no boots rengar a lot of players seem to do.It's like they don't even understand what is the point of the pick.
Has there been a single impressive rengar in NA LCS or even any team that's shown why you would want the pick?
dexter was at least making an impression against LMQ but i guess, it was more about absolute slaughterhouse, rofl.
Yea don't put that much weight on that game. It just baffles me that these teams all hope on this Rengar bandwagon when they seem to all be awful with him.
On July 27 2014 07:09 Numy wrote: Is it worth going full AP on gragas top? Seems they need at least one person on their team that can take a few hits. Rengar does nothing but die and the rest die in 2 hits so they can never fight.
Most of the Gragas builds I see the pros have most success on is RoA into Lich Bane into tanky items, where you can burst down some people you catch out while still being able to engage with the big barrel or headbutt.
And Mundo too stronk vs. AP double AP teams.
That's what I thought and have seen so I'm really confused with the full AP. Thought the new grag is pretty bad when going full AP?
Only three rangos I have seen have good impact throughout the entire game are spirit, dandy and kakao though those three can destroy any team with any jungler.
On July 27 2014 07:11 nafta wrote: Really hate this no boots rengar a lot of players seem to do.It's like they don't even understand what is the point of the pick.
Has there been a single impressive rengar in NA LCS or even any team that's shown why you would want the pick?
Dexter did ok.Everyone else was useless and either got carried or almost solo lost the game.
On July 27 2014 07:11 nafta wrote: Really hate this no boots rengar a lot of players seem to do.It's like they don't even understand what is the point of the pick.
Has there been a single impressive rengar in NA LCS or even any team that's shown why you would want the pick?
Dexter did ok.Everyone else was useless and either got carried or almost solo lost the game.
NoName did pretty decent on his rango. Nothing spectacular but looked ok.
On July 27 2014 07:11 nafta wrote: Really hate this no boots rengar a lot of players seem to do.It's like they don't even understand what is the point of the pick.
Has there been a single impressive rengar in NA LCS or even any team that's shown why you would want the pick?
Dexter did ok.Everyone else was useless and either got carried or almost solo lost the game.
NoName did pretty decent on his rango. Nothing spectacular but looked ok.
I didn't watch that game so can't really comment on it .
NA Rengar is just terrible. I feel like as a Rengo, you basically need to ignore the map until you hit level 6 and almost immediately start going into lanes with your ult and start ganking. He really needs some stacks of his trinket to get more out of the ult and moving faster out of combat. So Dig's team comp of being a poke one was fine, but the Rengar probably wasn't the best option, as Elise probably would have worked better if Dig wanted a jungler with some form of hard CC.
On July 27 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Fml, i was trying to forget that Link ult miss. CLG, don't disappoint now, i swear, we can't be lower than TSM.
Now that I think about if TSM gets that bye only by beating up on EG/Crs/Col it will truly be glorious.
On July 27 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Fml, i was trying to forget that Link ult miss. CLG, don't disappoint now, i swear, we can't be lower than TSM.
Now that I think about if TSM gets that bye only by beating up on EG/Crs/Col it will truly be glorious.
Actually they have only one game left against bot-3, so things might really be tricky if they don't go ham last week. BUT ROFL, it will be glorious for sure.
Damn, i wanted Seraph to actually go top Kassadin ;/ WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.
Curse with the double ADC comp again, and this time it's probably a practiced thing. Curse team overall isn't that bad, with early game power on Corki scaling into late game with the Voyboy Trist.
Given late game, I think CLG team comp is better simply because full item Mundo will be a literal meat tank, with Braum and Ori shield able to protect the D-Lift.
On July 27 2014 07:41 Kinie wrote: Curse with the double ADC comp again, and this time it's probably a practiced thing. Curse team overall isn't that bad, with early game power on Corki scaling into late game with the Voyboy Trist.
Given late game, I think CLG team comp is better simply because full item Mundo will be a literal meat tank, with Braum and Ori shield able to protect the D-Lift.
More likely they will be on mundo since there isn't really anyone strong enough to kill dlift.
Not looking too good. Dexter ruins top lane yet again. Missing that gank on top and having seraph take extra damage due to it. Wasting flash in his own jungle, and now getting killed at his own jungle. It just doesn't stop. Getting killed yet again because he was not paying attention even though he knew Curse were rotating towards bottom for at least a 3 man gank. ggggg
On July 27 2014 07:56 meowmasta85 wrote: lol clg..oh yeah monte/dlift : lmq at best will be 4th in NA. what clg, you think you're actually better more consistent than lmq ? LOLOLOLOL
LMQ have definitely improved while CLG have done the opposite (as they usually do towards the end of the season). Very hard to predict team performance for the entire season with so many patches coming through etc.
On July 27 2014 07:50 IMoperator wrote: crs has been looking really good the past 2 weeks, since they've been playing so aggressive early.
2 weeks ago they lost against col and EG though. Thats pretty bad. Seems like they feel more comfortable playing the big guys. Maybe because they have less to lose and thus go more ham.
On July 27 2014 07:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Well, no, we're not. I have no idea about that Curse team, can we call them a dark horse for playoffs already, rofl?
Hope we stomp TSM tomorrow, just to secure tiebreaker.
On July 27 2014 07:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Well, no, we're not. I have no idea about that Curse team, can we call them a dark horse for playoffs already, rofl?
Hope we stomp TSM tomorrow, just to secure tiebreaker.
i didnt know you were on clg
Fans of teams usually see themselves as part of the team. nothing new. Have you never watched any sports event?
On July 27 2014 07:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Well, no, we're not. I have no idea about that Curse team, can we call them a dark horse for playoffs already, rofl?
Hope we stomp TSM tomorrow, just to secure tiebreaker.
i didnt know you were on clg
ROFL I'm probably main CLG fanboy here while ZNF is afking. And you can't separate team from fans and other way around.
Happy to see a lot of TSM fanboys, tears will be sweet tomorrow
On July 27 2014 07:56 meowmasta85 wrote: lol clg..oh yeah monte/dlift : lmq at best will be 4th in NA. what clg, you think you're actually better more consistent than lmq ? LOLOLOLOL
LMQ have definitely improved while CLG have done the opposite (as they usually do towards the end of the season). Very hard to predict team performance for the entire season with so many patches coming through etc.
well that's the thing i would have predicted about lmq is taht they were going to get better at a faster rate than the NA teams...ppl apparently didn't think the same . ppl in NA just in general overrate their own teams lol
On July 27 2014 08:01 meowmasta85 wrote: dont like how curse is playing out this big lead..if this was lmq, you know they'd already have like most of the towers down .
They're running double adc. It has a later power spike than a normal team comp.
On July 27 2014 08:01 Fusilero wrote: I wonder how much mileage curse are going to get out of this trist mid pocket strat though. Are we going to just see more trist bans or what.
I just think its always cool when a team does their own things. Shows there are more possibilities out there than people usually accept.
If lulu isn't right next to the ADCs one rangorianna combo executed right would turn the entire match around especially if dlift gets a passive proc off it.
curse just doesn't know how to make their own plays...thats it. if the other team gives them opportunities, they do really well. but they can't make their own plays. thats curse in a nutshell. which is why you always see these drawn out games when they are way ahead and the other team is turtling. curse isn't going to initiate. gah
Seraph literally needs randuins thornmail tabis before he can even think about tanking the ADs and corki has so much magic damage anyways that iit doesn't matter too much.
Voyboy's always been a fan of the carry champions, even back in his top lane days. Curse in general just took CLG's early game aggression and counterganked really well with IWD on the Eve.
On July 27 2014 08:13 Neverhood wrote: LMQ and C9 are NA's only hope at worlds :x
current c9, no way lol.
Considering how embarrassing the other "top" NA teams have played I'll give them the best shot. Feels too weird to just say LMQ who don't even have 1 person actually from NA :D.
LMQ is NA's only hope. If hai is struggling now what do you think cool/pawn/dade/U/froggen are going to do to him Unless he finally breaks out the OMG beaters
On July 27 2014 08:13 Neverhood wrote: LMQ and C9 are NA's only hope at worlds :x
current c9, no way lol.
Considering how embarrassing the other "top" NA teams have played I'll give them the best shot. Feels too weird to just say LMQ who don't even have 1 person actually from NA :D.
TBH, LMQ actually is playing a NA/CN hybrid style. They look less like a CN team and more just kind of developed into their own. Compared to before of their "win lanes, hope jungler doesn't feed" style.
On July 27 2014 08:13 Neverhood wrote: LMQ and C9 are NA's only hope at worlds :x
current c9, no way lol.
Considering how embarrassing the other "top" NA teams have played I'll give them the best shot. Feels too weird to just say LMQ who don't even have 1 person actually from NA :D.
TBH, LMQ actually is playing a NA/CN hybrid style. They look less like a CN team and more just kind of developed into their own. Compared to before of their "win lanes, hope jungler doesn't feed" style.
That also reflects how I view them. Yes they are an NA team, but still different from the rest.
About Curse... I'm probably repeating myself, but I really think there's nothing inherently wrong with their "better safe than sorry" playstyle. They maintain the advantage from the very bottom (first get all the buffs, then push all the lanes and THEN grab objectives once it's safe). They focus on not giving the enemy opportunities to come back. And when they hit their big items, they go in. More time for the other team to hatch a comeback, but less opportunities to mess up and throw the whole advantage at once. I think it's a legit style and it comes down to execution.
On July 27 2014 08:45 AlterKot wrote: About Curse... I'm probably repeating myself, but I really think there's nothing inherently wrong with their "better safe than sorry" playstyle. They maintain the advantage from the very bottom (first get all the buffs, then push all the lanes and THEN grab objectives once it's safe). They focus on not giving the enemy opportunities to come back. And when they hit their big items, they go in. More time for the other team to hatch a comeback, but less opportunities to mess up and throw the whole advantage at once. I think it's a legit style and it comes down to execution.
It gives the opponent time to get back into the game when they should be snowballing there lead instead. Plus and thats probably more important in the light of this thread, its boring as hell.
After watching that crs clg game. I feel as if dexter and double are the ones that are holding the team back. Dexters jungling has been legit pathetic past few weeks.
On July 27 2014 09:50 TyrantPotato wrote: After watching that crs clg game. I feel as if dexter and double are the ones that are holding the team back. Dexters jungling has been legit pathetic past few weeks.
CLG's game was just a case of Murphy's Law. Several good plays by CRS and several terrible happenings to CLG with bad timing or simply missing something. CRS has played well, but this game was simply a case of the "oh wtf how the fuck are they always there."
just everything had to go absolutely wrong for clg after they complained the most about short scrim schedules vs international teams thx to regionals scheduling, like they were already qualified 100%. Huge losing streak, and not only lost vs curse twice but both times cop/xpeecial absolutely shits on rush hour. Kinda funny.
On July 27 2014 09:50 TyrantPotato wrote: After watching that crs clg game. I feel as if dexter and double are the ones that are holding the team back. Dexters jungling has been legit pathetic past few weeks.
I didn't watch the game but see CLG picked Rengar. Seems like we can scratch Dexter off of the list of making Rengar work. Wonder when NA teams will stop picking him.
On July 27 2014 19:14 AsnSensation wrote: just everything had to go absolutely wrong for clg after they complained the most about short scrim schedules vs international teams thx to regionals scheduling, like they were already qualified 100%. Huge losing streak, and not only lost vs curse twice but both times cop/xpeecial absolutely shits on rush hour. Kinda funny.
I love when shit like this happens to CLG, you would think they would be humble, but nope. Every time they talk shit about NA they perform terribly and i love it.
What's with the Madred's into Locket build on Rengar that they're using, anyway? I haven't seen him in OGN, but Rengar's biggest strength as I've seen is stacking damage and erasing a squishy out of nowhere. What's "half a damage item into teamfight aura" supposed to contribute? It's like a Season 1 Warwick build or something.
I think NA either needs to learn to play zilean, or stop playing rengar. That combo is so fucking strong for the amount of burst it can put onto a squishy almost instantaneously, and the rengar can't be blown up either.
If Curse win, they're one game behind Dignitas, actually, jokes aside. Also, i'm pretty interested in what can Curse bring outside of double ad with Lulu comp. WOO SHEN. Wasn't expected him to come out this week though, welcome back.
I like the fizz, Syndra can never really snowball vs Fizz but the reverse can definitely happen. Skill MU in my experience.
Dominate is either gonna carry massively or do nothing at all I think, Curse can only win if he gets big b/c their lategame straight up teamfight just sucks.
On July 28 2014 04:31 Serelitz wrote: I like the fizz, Syndra can never really snowball vs Fizz but the reverse can definitely happen. Skill MU in my experience.
Dominate is either gonna carry massively or do nothing at all I think, Curse can only win if he gets big b/c their lategame straight up teamfight just sucks.
only skillmatchup if your jungler makes an effort to pressure early. Otherwise Syndra's already 25 cs ahead by lvl 6 if it's purely 1v1
^true btw but that's for a lot of melee vs ranged match ups especially mid. And for Syndra to snowball post 6 she needs to pressure AND force troll pool which means more than just a cs lead I think.
On July 28 2014 04:41 Alaric wrote: Considering the timing I think it's just IWD died before the channel completed though. He got utterly exploded.
Yeah, I think the reason why Curse asked for pause was because IWD ult went off and hit 2 or 3 and then he got Shen ulted, but Elise burst + Syndra ult burned through so much of the shield and his HP that it was close.
On July 28 2014 04:31 Serelitz wrote: I like the fizz, Syndra can never really snowball vs Fizz but the reverse can definitely happen. Skill MU in my experience. .
unless syndra gets ahead by 40cs before 15 minutes
On July 28 2014 04:31 Serelitz wrote: I like the fizz, Syndra can never really snowball vs Fizz but the reverse can definitely happen. Skill MU in my experience. .
unless syndra gets ahead by 40cs before 15 minutes
Getting a kill 1v1 like that counts as outskilled in my book.
yea iunno. Curse's comp is pretty bad. both solo lanes are EG favored. EG's bot lane scales harder and Crs bot lane isn't pressing their early game advantage.
It's not like the Shen isn't useless, he did pretty well in lane vs. Lulu with similar jungle pressure from both sides. It's just the other lanes are pretty snowballed at this point.
Krepo's just hitting every single hook, and the IWD over-reach on EG's blue at that 7-8 minute mark is what cost Curse this game. I also think the Voyboy Fizz was like the worst thing he could've picked vs. Pobeltur's Syndra.
I can understand they had come confusion tho, it was so last second that the sound of Shen ult had already finished.
Yeah, I don't blame them for pausing since it was probably less than a half second off from completing. It's just that there's definitive proof that it wasn't bugged.
On an aside, didn't that work out better for Curse that it didn't finish? Quas would've just died if he came in right?.
I can understand they had come confusion tho, it was so last second that the sound of Shen ult had already finished.
Yeah, I don't blame them for pausing since it was probably less than a half second off from completing. It's just that there's definitive proof that it wasn't bugged.
On an aside, didn't that work out better for Curse that it didn't finish? Quas would've just died if he came in right?.
Their cooldowns were down on EG and I think he had his cowl at the time, he probably could have gotten out or if they did go for him vooby would have escaped.
I don't keep up with patches anymore . . . is there a reason people don't pick Cait lately? I value her far more in poke comps because of her superior ability to hit inhib turrets.
On July 28 2014 05:21 Slow Motion wrote: I don't keep up with patches anymore . . . is there a reason people don't pick Cait lately? I value her far more in poke comps because of her superior ability to hit inhib turrets.
That's siege, not poke, there is a difference. Cait is basically not a hypercarry so gets outclassed by tristana and kog'maw. She still gets picked, although seldomly, but is just not performing like a few patches ago.
On July 28 2014 05:21 Slow Motion wrote: I don't keep up with patches anymore . . . is there a reason people don't pick Cait lately? I value her far more in poke comps because of her superior ability to hit inhib turrets.
The loss of BT as an early rush adc item hurt Cait's ability to get ahead in lane which is vital for her success in the rest of the game.
On July 28 2014 05:58 Sakray wrote: What happened with Shen during EG/CRS ? Missed most of the game
There was a moment around 8 minutes where Quas ulted IWD when IWD and Voyboy got caught in a 3v2 trying to steal EG's blue. IWD died before Quas's ult finished channeling, but it was incredibly close (the animation had finished playing so it looked like the old Shen bug).
On July 28 2014 05:57 orzeu wrote: So now if CLG lose to TSM they are fucked.
Just no bye most likely, not like they're fucked. Dignitas/Curse still ain't on CLG's level in bo5.
Curse with vooby cheese picks to worlds the dream
Ultimate trio from NA to Worlds:
LMQ having 0 NA players. TSM going 12-0 against Curse/EG/coL and avoiding every real top team in playoffs. Curse, cheesing their way into top-3, winning against C9 in last game, even better than Maru-INnoVation in last OSL.
On July 28 2014 05:58 Sakray wrote: What happened with Shen during EG/CRS ? Missed most of the game
Shen ulted an Eve, Eve died at the last possible moment before Shen ult finishes. Curse pause the game thinking the bug might still exist but a review shows that it was normal. Just something caused by the long time the ult was bugged and the very last moment death of Eve.
On July 28 2014 05:58 Sakray wrote: What happened with Shen during EG/CRS ? Missed most of the game
Shen ulted an Eve, Eve died at the last possible moment before Shen ult finishes. Curse pause the game thinking the bug might still exist but a review shows that it was normal. Just something caused by the long time the ult was bugged and the very last moment death of Eve.
On July 28 2014 05:58 Sakray wrote: What happened with Shen during EG/CRS ? Missed most of the game
Shen ulted an Eve, Eve died at the last possible moment before Shen ult finishes. Curse pause the game thinking the bug might still exist but a review shows that it was normal. Just something caused by the long time the ult was bugged and the very last moment death of Eve.
And what was the old bug ? Shen not tp'ing ?
It was like there was a fraction of a second in it, the sound was finished but voyadominar died just before shen finally arrived which made it confusing and some thought it was glitch again Reminder that hotshot and oddone are casting this on their streams
On July 28 2014 05:57 orzeu wrote: So now if CLG lose to TSM they are fucked.
Just no bye most likely, not like they're fucked. Dignitas/Curse still ain't on CLG's level in bo5.
On July 28 2014 05:58 Sakray wrote: What happened with Shen during EG/CRS ? Missed most of the game
Ulted Eve, Eve died, people were hyped that Shen is bugged still but it was just Evelynn's sudden death.
How you know CLG lvl in bo5?
Considering Dignitas inability to prepare ban/pick phase at all this season against top teams, i don't think that they will be able to reverse sweep, for example. And Curse are just one-trick ponies.
CLG at least showed last playoffs, that they're extensively preparing to each team and 2 weeks playoffs should help them even more. Just no choke, guys.
On July 28 2014 05:57 orzeu wrote: So now if CLG lose to TSM they are fucked.
Just no bye most likely, not like they're fucked. Dignitas/Curse still ain't on CLG's level in bo5.
On July 28 2014 05:58 Sakray wrote: What happened with Shen during EG/CRS ? Missed most of the game
Ulted Eve, Eve died, people were hyped that Shen is bugged still but it was just Evelynn's sudden death.
How you know CLG lvl in bo5?
Considering Dignitas inability to prepare ban/pick phase at all this season against top teams, i don't think that they will be able to reverse sweep, for example. And Curse are just one-trick ponies.
CLG at least showed last playoffs, that they're extensively preparing to each team and 2 weeks playoffs should help them even more. Just no choke, guys.
Oh I see it now, dignitas/curse are getting shrekt. Then suddenly dexter/moemoelift/seraph does something amazingly stupid and CLG gets tilt KTB'd and curse goes to worlds for cop vs deft/imp/namei hype.
On July 28 2014 05:58 Sakray wrote: What happened with Shen during EG/CRS ? Missed most of the game
Shen ulted an Eve, Eve died at the last possible moment before Shen ult finishes. Curse pause the game thinking the bug might still exist but a review shows that it was normal. Just something caused by the long time the ult was bugged and the very last moment death of Eve.
And what was the old bug ? Shen not tp'ing ?
If you used abilities to soon, like spamming his taunt dash, he would indeed sometimes not tp.
This game is kinda meh. Dexter is fairly useless yet again for CLG. Amazing is at least securing dragons for TSM. Dexter likes to take free damage near his own team so he has to back off, and not do anything useful
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues. Both of his deaths have been his own fault, and CLG is so used to protecting him that they waste a lot of resources trying to do so.
Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
Why do CLG go in when Shyv gets caught. It's like playing a pub when an ally gets caught then you try help him and you die then another teammate tries to save you and they die to until eventually your team got aced because they just couldn't cut their loses. Guess it's just typical CLG when behind.
On July 28 2014 07:02 Gorsameth wrote: Dexter is pissed lol, Shoving his keyboard away when Lee kicked him to death
Well when you throw away everything to get Double farm in the early game only for him to throw it all away by being completely out of position twice it must be frustrating. Add in his own mediocre performance past few weeks and he must be really mad
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
It's hard to determine the impact of lustboy or removing gleeb but TSM does look incredibly decisive all of the sudden. What a bizarrely clean day this has been today, team gets lead, teams gently wins in a reasonable fashion.
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:57 ketchup wrote:
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
Well I agree but CLG seem to specifically make sure double gets farm even if it means rest of team suffers. They can't do that when he's playing trist and throws it all away by being out of position. So yea Dexter prob is more an issue on average but this game they both are pretty huge problems.
On July 28 2014 07:05 Fusilero wrote: It's hard to determine the impact of lustboy or removing gleeb but TSM does look incredibly decisive all of the sudden.
Yeah they looked better than they have, but honestly Bjergsen and Dyrus were on point that game as well
On July 28 2014 07:06 aurawashere wrote: xerath picks rly arent doing shit... on paper xerath seems so strong but ingame it looks like he does nothing
Syndra is basically better in every single regard. They both are heavy damage dealing mages with solid range but the major difference is Syndra adds assassination potential and a stupidly far-ranged stun that can hit multiple people.
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:57 ketchup wrote:
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
Well I agree but CLG seem to specifically make sure double gets farm even if it means rest of team suffers. They can't do that when he's playing trist and throws it all away by being out of position. So yea Dexter prob is more an issue on average but this game they both are pretty huge problems.
BS.Kog got just as much free time as double.That is standart.The problem was seraph teleporting randomly top and losing all of the possible advantage he couldve gotten.
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:57 ketchup wrote:
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
Well I agree but CLG seem to specifically make sure double gets farm even if it means rest of team suffers. They can't do that when he's playing trist and throws it all away by being out of position. So yea Dexter prob is more an issue on average but this game they both are pretty huge problems.
BS.Kog got just as much free time as double.That is standart.The problem was seraph teleporting randomly top and losing all of the possible advantage he couldve gotten.
Turtle wasn't out of position twice with all of that farm. That's the issue.
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:57 ketchup wrote:
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
I dont think blaming an individual makes sense without further knowledge. We have heard about problems in the team for some time, now it is really showing in the results. My speculation is that CLG is faltering due to their own expectations being too high. They believed in their own hype (or in Monte's hype?) and cant handle having mediocre results and plays. If they can manage their expectations better they might come back. If they dont destroy themselves before that.
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:57 ketchup wrote:
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
I dont think blaming an individual makes sense without further knowledge. We have heard about problems in the team for some time, now it is really showing in the results. My speculation is that CLG is faltering due to their own expectations being too high. They believed in their own hype (or in Monte's hype?) and cant handle having mediocre results and plays. If they can manage their expectations better they might come back. If they dont destroy themselves before that.
CLG has often had an ego problem. I can just see Dlift going after this game "see i always do bad on trist".
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:57 ketchup wrote:
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
I dont think blaming an individual makes sense without further knowledge. We have heard about problems in the team for some time, now it is really showing in the results. My speculation is that CLG is faltering due to their own expectations being too high. They believed in their own hype and cant handle having mediocre results and plays. If they can manage their expectations better they might come back. If they dont destroy themselves before that.
Bullshit. This is like every armchair analyst on ESPN who doesn't know shit about shit. Anybody who has competed at a high level at anything knows this is bull shit.
Now, when things falter mid-game and start taking turns for the worse that can really fuck with your mentality and skill. However, between weeks and whatnot it doesn't matter for a single thing. A lot of CLG's losses can basically be attributed to the basic mistake of not respecting other team's own plans enough. Not their big, overall plans. But the little ones. CLG has great responses to other team's moves, make good rotations, etc... but when there is a lull in the game that seems to be the time when CLG is most vulnerable. When teams are just farming or pushing lanes that has been CLG's bane in recent times. How many times the last few weeks have we seen relatively simple moves by teams force flashes or get kills out of them? A small jungle invade that isn't even looking to get a buff nets a flash or kill every game it seems.
And those little things add up quickly. Suddenly the back they were trying to do is late for dragon or to defend the turret, they can't contest a buff that was going to respawn, etc.
On July 28 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Last two games been so snowbally. Wonder if it's just one team playing flawlessly or other team playing bad. At least Dyrus showed up at last after months of being nowhere. Just in time for playoffs too.
On July 28 2014 06:57 ketchup wrote:
On July 28 2014 06:55 Numy wrote: Dexter and Double playing sooo bad. Why do you go for max range stun.
Dexter hasn't been impressive for the past few weeks, but doublelift is definitely looking terror this week. It's like he's reverted to the old doublelift with his positioning issues.
Honestly this is pretty typical for his tristana. Don't know why they pick him that champ when he's pretty much always terror on it.
I still believe Dexter's the bigger issue. He was non-existent in the game today. What's worse is that he still gave seraph no help even when he didn't have anything else to do on the map(considering how they were rotating, and only seraph was taking a static lane)
I dont think blaming an individual makes sense without further knowledge. We have heard about problems in the team for some time, now it is really showing in the results. My speculation is that CLG is faltering due to their own expectations being too high. They believed in their own hype and cant handle having mediocre results and plays. If they can manage their expectations better they might come back. If they dont destroy themselves before that.
Bullshit. This is like every armchair analyst on ESPN who doesn't know shit about shit. Anybody who has competed at a high level at anything knows this is bull shit.
Now, when things falter mid-game and start taking turns for the worse that can really fuck with your mentality and skill. However, between weeks and whatnot it doesn't matter for a single thing. A lot of CLG's losses can basically be attributed to the basic mistake of not respecting other team's own plans enough. Not their big, overall plans. But the little ones. CLG has great responses to other team's moves, make good rotations, etc... but when there is a lull in the game that seems to be the time when CLG is most vulnerable. When teams are just farming or pushing lanes that has been CLG's bane in recent times. How many times the last few weeks have we seen relatively simple moves by teams force flashes or get kills out of them? A small jungle invade that isn't even looking to get a buff nets a flash or kill every game it seems.
And those little things add up quickly. Suddenly the back they were trying to do is late for dragon or to defend the turret, they can't contest a buff that was going to respawn, etc.
edit: wording/clarification
In every team sport I know team mentality has always mattered and lead to huge winning or losing streaks. Games are connected to each other, they dont just exist in a vacuum (I am assuming that is what you are saying). This can among other things be seen in how betting odds change after a game.
And we have heard of problems within CLG (disagreements and general discontent with the games) for some time. I was very surprised then because I didnt think their results were bad. Which is why I think they were expecting too much.
feels like the s4 changes haven't made comebacks any more likely. It's just that snowballing your lead now takes longer for worse teams, and it's just as easy to get choked out.
On July 28 2014 08:07 cythaze wrote: anyone remembers the last game crumbz had any impact on? he just seems to be feeding everytime i see him play lately (more so than other dig members)
It's the cycle of Crumbz. Start split -> Do really well for a week or two -> Trash talk other teams -> Feed and be useless until next split.
On July 28 2014 08:07 cythaze wrote: anyone remembers the last game crumbz had any impact on? he just seems to be feeding everytime i see him play lately (more so than other dig members)
Well, I keep forgetting they have a mid laner.
Edit: Am I the only one or does Riv sounds like Mordin Solus from Mass Effect sometimes?
I dunno, maybe it's because these are the two teams I like so I win either way, but as bad as it is this game is much more entertaining than the previous ones.
Dignitas has lost, though, now they don't have a pushed lane to leverage anymore and to push one out "safely" they'd need vision and a lane Complexity can't just push, so they can split without losing immediatly.
On July 28 2014 08:18 Alaric wrote: I dunno, maybe it's because these are the two teams I like so I win either way, but as bad as it is this game is much more entertaining than the previous ones.
On July 28 2014 08:26 Fusilero wrote: Mfw zionspartan zero kill contributions in 50 minutes
his entire job was just to split push and draw people out while his team took objectives anyway lel
I mean I don't expect AD nid to have many kill contributions but literally zero is just impressive.
To be fair, he was not "0/10 who let a bronzie in?" this time. He struggled with the game, got confused many times - it's ok -, but he really tried. All in all he had impact in the game. For me, the worse player was Thresh in Col. He did not do major fuck ups (okay, hooking nunu from point-blank instead of jinx was pretty bad), but he could've played muuuch better.
Anyway, make a charity for col so they can have an actual coach.
So with heartbeatt we now have saint/heartbeatt/patoy/mancloud and cris on a curse challenger team. Curse the retirement home of LCS rejects.
On July 28 2014 08:35 Redox wrote: Damn col still has a realistic chance at playoffs. 2 wins behind Crs, 4 games left. I dont think it is very likely to happen though.
Crs vs col is in the final week, playoffs might be decided by that match.
On July 28 2014 09:50 Redox wrote: I have a feeling these are the first and last games for Heartbeat with LoLPro.
Highly likely.Seems like a really random pickup honestly.
Pretty sure he and Patoy were duo buddies for a while but that's the only real connection. Seemed like a terrible move, regardless. Wouldn't be surprised to see a new face next week either (Chaox???).
by 2v1'ing, clg gave tsm a free ride to mid game, when their comp is at their strongest. someone on that tsm squad was eventually gonna make a play, and with shyv/xerath/tristana there's not much you can do in response except stay back, wave clear and wait til late game. i think this all of this comes back to the fact that clg really doesn't respect what their opponents are capable of. bjergsen won tsm the game simply by punishing aphromoo and doublelift's unsafe and greedy positioning near the mid turret, which demonstrates clg's general disrespect for another team's playmaking ability.
I hope dexter starts playing better/smarter soon, because he really is the crux of their early game. he's honestly been applying no map pressure these past couple of weeks, partly because other teams have figured out how to play against clg's style of giving up top pressure in exchange for massive bottom lane pressure. dexter either can't find the gank bottom lane or just gets 4 man counterganked because other teams see it coming, simply because they expect it at this point.
honestly, even though these past few weeks sucked, if they didn't get exposed now it would have happened eventually. they've just been playing complacently this whole split, nothing at all like the hungry clg of spring split. then, they had something to prove. this split, they had been gifted first for 7 straight weeks, even though their play wasn't on point. ill be the first to admit that alot of clg's wins this split were solely because of nalcs being nalcs. i'm pretty sure they'll turn it up for playoffs, but there's no way top teams are gonna let this shit go unpunished if they continue to play this way.
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