2nd day might be good because it will be 2nd meetings for teams already. Especially i'm interested in can SHC channel inner Koreans second time against [A] or not.
On June 04 2014 17:47 mr_tolkien wrote: Didn't expect SHC to be so high in the rankings :o Very curious to see more games from them.
Honestly it was expected for them to improve, but complete Gambit and Roccat collapse just skyrocketed them high. + wewillfailer is playing surprisingly good.
On June 05 2014 00:26 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Shook smurfs a lot according to Tabzz, he's just streaming from his lovely account. He's diamond 4 right now on it? Damn :D
His main was low diamond 1. He just don't tryhard and play for fun in soloq this days.
On June 05 2014 23:24 Fusilero wrote: http://imgur.com/a/CHqbl#5AjWZEs Some pre LCS comedy "Lublin shore and nfaculty are better than 60% of LCS teams" - Ocelote
He was saying before that NiP are stronger than any team which they scrimmed, LCS or not. Lol, n!faculty has League roster again? Holy shit.
Shyvana is what, 24 or 25-7? Correct me if i'm wrong. THE BIRD IS BACK. Was obvious though, seeing Froggen with tp. Lol and changed for ignite. I hoped he gets TP and counter TF just.
At least Alliance banned the Kayle that destroyed their early game lead last time they tried Anivia against Roccat. They are in trouble if they get behind too much early though.
Tabzz stealing blue is just quintessence of this game.
And Nyph is incredibly instrumental in [A] success, i have to say, he and Shook and controlling pace of the game always. Also Tabzz is really becoming best fantasy player in LCS, he's just immense this split so far.
On June 06 2014 01:58 Arevall wrote: That game sure escalated quickly. Alliance had so much better teamfights than Roccat
Edit: Also, the terror of Froggen's Anivia.
Reversal of the last time alliance played anivia vs roccat. Alliance picked up a few stray kills then were just bodied hard in the teamfights by roccat, how the times have changed.
On June 06 2014 02:05 justiceknight wrote: locodoco's coaching Alliance to worlds
Loco isn't coaching them since Week 1, Leviathan and mithy are right now. Anivia-Kog'Maw - glorious CLG.eu comeback <3.
I'm reaching the conclusion that everyone is coaching alliance, they'll go 0-2 in week 3 with kenma and elementz coaching them.
Seriously, i don't think that [A] has to have real coach 24/7 like, let's say, TSM. They're such great mechanical players that someone just had to tell them basical minion controlling/laneswaps/rotations things and they're okay in the future, because they never had real problems with picks because they don't struggle of little champion pools.
Mill giving up Kassadin like they have a plan. Meanwhile SK get second rotation Lee+Thresh. Holy shit. best mid, best jungler, best support, best top, tier 2 adc though. Good comp for the rotation meta.
Picks: Kassadin, Lee Sin, Thresh, Kog'Maw, Renekton. Jax, Evelynn, Leona, Lucian, Fizz.
So, Shyvana just lost 8th time and it's like 24-8 or 25-8 right now, but i might be off. No Shyvana this game, though. Evelynn is still 8-2 in EU, holy shit, IWD, they say hello to you. And 11-4 Thresh, oh God.
GOGO KERP, TIME TO ANGLE THOSE POINTS WITH FISH. <33
On June 06 2014 02:20 Sleight wrote: Mill giving up Kassadin like they have a plan. Meanwhile SK get second rotation Lee+Thresh. Holy shit. best mid, best jungler, best support, best top, tier 2 adc though. Good comp for the rotation meta.
Jesiz is a week laner, kerp is a strong laner. Kassadin is a weak laner, fizz is a strong laner. Kerp be eatin, jesiz be starvin. SK will win anyway by force of rotations.
On June 06 2014 02:20 Sleight wrote: Mill giving up Kassadin like they have a plan. Meanwhile SK get second rotation Lee+Thresh. Holy shit. best mid, best jungler, best support, best top, tier 2 adc though. Good comp for the rotation meta.
Jesiz is a week laner, kerp is a strong laner. Kassadin is a weak laner, fizz is a strong laner. Kerp be eatin, jesiz be starvin. SK will win anyway by force of rotations.
I really wish after quickshot said I want to show you a clip from when I thought the game was over they cut to Kassadin getting locked in lol.
as an aside after watching that game I really don't think Fizz is a counter to new Kass even if he had played it correctly, the silence actually was worse in this particular match up.
On June 06 2014 03:01 LightningStrike wrote: Should of gone Zed vs Kassadin Kerp
Nope. Kassadin can just go RoA, Iceborn Gauntlet and dumpster AD teams. Might have a better laning phase, but the end game is even worse. At least Fizz can delete someone and hold even with Kass (not when you turret dive and die).
Don't know how to win if you're Fnatic? Pick Nidalee. Also second game in EU without Lucian, still holds 0 bans. Shyvana the hero is here as well. Also i have no idea why didn't sOAZ go for Lulu here.
On June 06 2014 03:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Quickshot is really trying to say that Kayle and Twitch have to be ahead of Kog'Maw/Trundle to win? Ok.
It's amazing how his analysis is getting worse.
I originally thought he was out of his element having just switched from play-by-play to color, but it turns out he's just an idiot or doesn't actually research the game.
On June 06 2014 03:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Quickshot is really trying to say that Kayle and Twitch have to be ahead of Kog'Maw/Trundle to win? Ok.
On June 06 2014 03:35 orzeu wrote: Failer with the plays.
Got 2 spears for it, balance restored :Dp
I dont think one team will outscale the other, it's more about poke/hardengages imo
Well, Nidalee always is very volatile imo, you can hit 6 items but if you don't hit clutch on Twitch/Kayle, it's pretty useless to have 15-20k gold in items.
That's basically it, SHC can just brutforce with their hard engage, Elise and Trundle can't protect Kog'Maw and kitty forever. I don't know why didn't Fnatic get Lulu for sOAZ and just run their classic comp.
On June 06 2014 03:37 Fusilero wrote: Has xpeke's passion been restored?
On June 06 2014 03:34 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Quickshot is really trying to say that Kayle and Twitch have to be ahead of Kog'Maw/Trundle to win? Ok.
It's amazing how his analysis is getting worse.
I originally thought he was out of his element having just switched from play-by-play to color, but it turns out he's just an idiot or doesn't actually research the game.
My favorite line is the Blade of the Ruined King and its magic damage
On June 06 2014 04:01 Fusilero wrote: What the fuck, how did SHC win that. Quikshot told me that SHC can't win 5v5 wtf.
You know Nidalee is the strongest teamfighting champion in the game, it's a bummer SHC can't win any teamfights with her in it because then all the towers and inhibs would be indefensible.
All that farm. All the fantasy points. Stop feeding them pls. At least Dandel chose Yolostar as his Fnatic player, but considering that my Jree is negative...
^ Quickshot meant Marksman. But if he says that you guys are gonna complain about Riot terminology.
On June 06 2014 04:11 Alaric wrote: All that farm. All the fantasy points. Stop feeding them pls. At least Dandel chose Yolostar as his Fnatic player, but considering that my Jree is negative...
Fantasy should give points for winning shorter games.
i like how even though fnatic loses all their games they still give me decent points since all their games are so long and drawn out and they dont die much.
SHC couldn't kill an inhibitor if their life depended on it.
So much for LASTSHADOW KOREA COACHING. I seriously hope Fnatic wins this, cuz fuck this stupid 3 lane splitpush that accomplishes nothing shit from SHC.
On June 06 2014 04:18 wei2coolman wrote: SHC couldn't kill an inhibitor if their life depended on it.
So much for LASTSHADOW KOREA COACHING. I seriously hope Fnatic wins this, cuz fuck this stupid 3 lane splitpush that accomplishes nothing shit from SHC.
I dont know why they didnt finish the inh, it had like 0 hp.
On June 06 2014 04:18 wei2coolman wrote: SHC couldn't kill an inhibitor if their life depended on it.
So much for LASTSHADOW KOREA COACHING. I seriously hope Fnatic wins this, cuz fuck this stupid 3 lane splitpush that accomplishes nothing shit from SHC.
I dont know why they didnt finish the inh, it had like 0 hp.
On June 06 2014 04:24 skykh wrote: Tsm vs dig is so exciting, i mean 25 min still no first blood BJERGSEN FTW
TSM TSM TSM
god that game was fucking disaster, at least once dig got Jax farmed enough after botching up the early farm phase, they were outmanuevering TSM, and more action occurred. That game was pretty technical in regards to cutting off rotation, you could see TSM try multiple times to gank Zion, but you would see Dig completely cut them off with map movement and wards. Game was still boring as fuck til kiwigod showed up at baron with the god flank.
Pro LoL is pretty boring right now regardless of region. The early game in particular is fucking horrendous. Mid is mostly a passive farm lane with zero kill potential on either side, the side lanes are usually empty, save for an adc (and sometimes support) afk farming minions and the jungle is all about that 2 man farm-sharing shitfest. I preferred the 3 kill lane, group up early and team fight for objectives meta than the current "wow, look how amazing they are at manoeuvring around the map and taking objectives without ever fighting or doing anything remotely entertaining!"
On June 06 2014 04:36 cuppatea wrote: Pro LoL is pretty boring right now regardless of region. The early game in particular is fucking horrendous. Mid is mostly a passive farm lane with zero kill potential on either side, the side lanes are usually empty, save for an adc (and sometimes support) afk farming minions and the jungle is all about that 2 man farm-sharing shitfest. I preferred the 3 kill lane, group up early and team fight for objectives meta than the current "wow, look how amazing they are at manoeuvring around the map and taking objectives without ever fighting or doing anything remotely entertaining!"
Dependent on the teams imo. If you watch LMQ, they'll dive the shit out of people at early levels.
Are you kidding? It looks great. It is definitely a different palette but it is exceptionally aesthetically pleasing. They made it feel like a world instead of a stage.
Looks great though. Will be funny to see how out of place the older champ models look.
Seems like everybody says that like a knee-jerk. Better graphics does not automatically mean Dota. There are several MOBAs that look much more similar to this than Dota.
Looks great though. Will be funny to see how out of place the older champ models look.
Seems like everybody says that like a knee-jerk. Better graphics does not automatically mean Dota. There are several MOBAs that look much more similar to this than Dota.
Woah, settle down there. Wasn't a knee-jerk, the new look has a lot in common with Dota2's artstyle. Not saying that like it's a bad thing, just commenting on what I saw.
Looks great though. Will be funny to see how out of place the older champ models look.
Seems like everybody says that like a knee-jerk. Better graphics does not automatically mean Dota. There are several MOBAs that look much more similar to this than Dota.
Woah, settle down there. Wasn't a knee-jerk, the new look has a lot in common with Dota2's artstyle. Not saying that like it's a bad thing, just commenting on what I saw.
Hm I didnt mean to sound agressive or anything. Maybe a language problem.
Sorry for the late update on the OP if anyone is looking at it. EU LCS slipped my mind. I updated everything I missed. Thanks Wonderful for keeping up with the pick/bans and polls. Also to Fusilero and LightningStrike for the last one.
I'll probably do the last poll in the normal way since Wonderful can't do it.
On June 06 2014 04:56 ketchup wrote: Sorry for the late update on the OP if anyone is looking at it. EU LCS slipped my mind. I updated everything I missed. Thanks Wonderful for keeping up with the pick/bans and polls. Also to Fusilero and LightningStrike for the last one.
NP, we saw SHC vs FNT and we forgot to look at anything :D, also thanks for keeping is up
That last fight's end was really reallllly odd. Darien got caught, used intervention on himself, and ended the fight around full health. Did the swaglord just heal himself all fight instead of his teammates? lolol
On June 06 2014 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote: yo i just came back how the fuck did SHC fnatic?
I missed the game, but I refuse to believe the shc hype. Although I admit MrRallez is the real thing.
Pretty much Fnatic having no clue what to do other than group as 5, SHC outognTSMing them. Fnatic ends up pushed in forever and ever and SHC has no balls to finish them off.
Genja doing work in team fights finally. Very nice. That gambit mid push paid off so much here due to CW trying too hard to defend bot lane's 2nd turret.
sometimes you really think Genja's a solid player and genius then he spends 3-4 weeks buying shit like zephyr instead of lw and then goes back to being solid.
On June 06 2014 05:40 AsnSensation wrote: sometimes you really think Genja's a solid player and genius then he spends 3-4 weeks buying shit like zephyr instead of lw and then goes back to being solid.
Maybe niq is slapping genja's shit around whenever he builds zephyr.
Yeah this game was hilarious. niQ carried super hard and darien did everything he could to ruin gambit's lead lol. THAT build :D we will never know why he bought a ruby crystal and chalice as his first item.
On June 06 2014 07:41 AlterKot wrote: Watching this CW makes me think that they could've been top3 if they didn't let Amazing and Forgiven go and found a good toplaner. Pretty sad.
On June 06 2014 07:41 AlterKot wrote: Watching this CW makes me think that they could've been top3 if they didn't let Amazing and Forgiven go and found a good toplaner. Pretty sad.
I dont think Woolite is any worse than Forg1ven overall. Maybe even better as he probably doesnt drag his team down.
On June 06 2014 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote: The sad world of fantasy where SHC and CW players make more points than SK or [A] because the latter teams simply win their games too fast.
G_G
Yeah they should change the scoring to better reward players on teams that win faster imo
On June 06 2014 07:41 AlterKot wrote: Watching this CW makes me think that they could've been top3 if they didn't let Amazing and Forgiven go and found a good toplaner. Pretty sad.
You think that CW would be better than SHC?
Yep. Maybe not by a big margin, but considering that almost all of the LCS teams regressed, they would be 3rd by default. They always were decent strategically (not anything impressive, but they had the basics down, which puts them above most EU teams). Unlimited played very, very well with Forgiven, and Amazing exploited his role on the team to the fullest. And I actually was never sure whether Cowtard is deserving all the flack he gets or not, right now I would put him around the middle of LCS fray. Youngbuck is a problem, but so is Mimer. Apart from that, SHC made very successful roster changes (I'd put Rallez/Faller on the same level as Forgiven/Unlimited and Selfie is making a case for himself), and they are applying some basic strategies too, so they might actually be better than Spring CW, but my gut feeling put's them below the aforementioned.
I think Woolite is a very good example of a player that get's too much credit because he makes more flashy plays. And Forgiven was just so damn efficient in trading, teamfighting and farming that he'll forever have my appreciation. Woolite is bringing a different assets to the team, but I don't think he fits too well with the Wolves style - maybe he would actually do well on a better team, dunno.
You remember when CW played vs gambit and CW had the great idea that 5 members sneak to the bottom inner turret and kill it so fast that gambit can't defend it. Gambit just walked to baron and won the game. That was just an example... CW is strategically one of the worst teams and the team intelligence is pretty bad.
Mimer was a problem but honestly he's playing pretty well these days, not carrying but reasonably solid enough and with the yolo as fuck selfie and MrRallez reasonably solid top laning is about as much as should be expected from mimer.
On June 06 2014 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote: The sad world of fantasy where SHC and CW players make more points than SK or [A] because the latter teams simply win their games too fast.
G_G
Yeah they should change the scoring to better reward players on teams that win faster imo
Why? Teams that play sloppy but rack up more points are going to be better that teams that play clinically but dont win by huge margins sometimes for fantasy. Other times they'll get crushed and be useless. IMO it adds an exciting risk/reward to starting those players - do I take the guaranteed 12-15 points from Froggen, or do I gamble withh cowTard in the hopes he can rack up 30+ even in defeat? Sometimes, like yesterday, you'll win big, but other times you'll lose out and cowTard will post something like 3 points.
if they made it so winning faster was worth more points, every game would be decided by which team had the most ALL/C9/SK/CLG players on it, which would be really boring.
I don't think Mimer is a problem at all, I can't think of 3 toplaners I would rate better than him in EU LCS.
Also I'm pretty sure SK and ALL will go to worlds, the 3rd team is kinda up in the air, but even tho it's EU I would be pretty suprised to not see these 2 in the top3.
On June 07 2014 00:43 loSleb wrote: I don't think Mimer is a problem at all, I can't think of 3 toplaners I would rate better than him in EU LCS.
Also I'm pretty sure SK and ALL will go to worlds, the 3rd team is kinda up in the air, but even tho it's EU I would be pretty suprised to not see these 2 in the top3.
It's pretty much first split where i don't have A LOT of questions to Mimer, he seems pretty solid. And right now it's pretty hard to rate toplaners, not the best time for them.
Well, meta still can shift a bit, so i won't say anything right now except for Alliance are for sure EU lock for Worlds, they're just head above everyone in Europe right now but again, everything might happen.
I dont really want to see fanatic at worlds. At allstars they showed that they are A: not very good or b: they dont give a fuck. Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage.
On June 07 2014 00:53 TitusVI wrote: I dont really want to see fanatic at worlds. At allstars they showed that they are A: not very good or b: they dont give a fuck. Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage.
What is freaking level of Europe, if team who got 3rd/4th place at Worlds is bad? Korean? They care way more than anyone else, it will be ridiculously hard blow for team who won 3 splits in a row to suddenly drop from top-3 and not go to Worlds if ofc EU gets 3 spots.
Even though, it's even season, so logic says that Fnatic will be 4th on Regionals. "Have a chance on international stage" is a joke, Europe needs to be high, we're getting laughed everywhere on SEA level almost. There is no room to more fails.
If we rate teams right now - [A] SK everyone else but Wolves. Will it change? Yes, but how fast?
On June 06 2014 07:28 NeoIllusions wrote: The sad world of fantasy where SHC and CW players make more points than SK or [A] because the latter teams simply win their games too fast.
G_G
Yeah they should change the scoring to better reward players on teams that win faster imo
Why? Teams that play sloppy but rack up more points are going to be better that teams that play clinically but dont win by huge margins sometimes for fantasy. Other times they'll get crushed and be useless. IMO it adds an exciting risk/reward to starting those players - do I take the guaranteed 12-15 points from Froggen, or do I gamble withh cowTard in the hopes he can rack up 30+ even in defeat? Sometimes, like yesterday, you'll win big, but other times you'll lose out and cowTard will post something like 3 points.
if they made it so winning faster was worth more points, every game would be decided by which team had the most ALL/C9/SK/CLG players on it, which would be really boring.
So are you saying it would be wrong if you win because you have the best players and teams? I think it is kind of the point to get the best you can. Of course it is another inherent flaw that the number of players you can choose from is just too small.
Another problem of Riot LCS Fantasy is that getting killed does barely matter at all. If your player is stupid agressive and gets killed twice for every kill he makes, you still come out ahead compared to someone who plays safe and gets even kills and deaths, but few of them. Also I dont like that all roles get rewarded with the same point system. So some roles will alway be worth less than others, even if they contribute just as much to the game.
On June 07 2014 00:53 TitusVI wrote: I dont really want to see fanatic at worlds. At allstars they showed that they are A: not very good or b: they dont give a fuck. Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage.
What is freaking level of Europe, if team who got 3rd/4th place at Worlds is bad? Korean? They care way more than anyone else, it will be ridiculously hard blow for team who won 3 splits in a row to suddenly drop from top-3 and not go to Worlds if ofc EU gets 3 spots.
Even though, it's even season, so logic says that Fnatic will be 4th on Regionals.
If they care, they aren't really showing it. Also they just... Aren't that good anymore. xPeke has looked over the hill for a while now. SoaZ keeps doing weird shit that works in EU but gets stomped against international competition. Only Fnatic members who are looking remotely like Worlds contenders are Rekkles and Yellowstar, and I think we all know by now a good botlane isn't enough to carry a team.
Only thing keeping Fnatic in contention for the Worlds spot is the fact that EU as a region has lost a lot of depth. Beyond ALL and SK, who's going to challenge for that hypothetical 3rd worlds slot? SHC?
On June 07 2014 01:02 skykh wrote: Riot decide to bring a gamechanging patch in the play-offs and buff all top ap's. Fnatic strenghts increased, Alliance is fucked.
Meta can already change significantly with 4.10 with all the item changes.
On June 07 2014 00:53 TitusVI wrote: I dont really want to see fanatic at worlds. At allstars they showed that they are A: not very good or b: they dont give a fuck. Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage.
What is freaking level of Europe, if team who got 3rd/4th place at Worlds is bad? Korean? They care way more than anyone else, it will be ridiculously hard blow for team who won 3 splits in a row to suddenly drop from top-3 and not go to Worlds if ofc EU gets 3 spots.
Even though, it's even season, so logic says that Fnatic will be 4th on Regionals.
If they care, they aren't really showing it. Also they just... Aren't that good anymore. xPeke has looked over the hill for a while now. SoaZ keeps doing weird shit that works in EU but gets stomped against international competition. Only Fnatic members who are looking remotely like Worlds contenders are Rekkles and Yellowstar, and I think we all know by now a good botlane isn't enough to carry a team.
Only thing keeping Fnatic in contention for the Worlds spot is the fact that EU as a region has lost a lot of depth. Beyond ALL and SK, who's going to challenge for that hypothetical 3rd worlds slot? SHC?
Why not SHC? You guys are just discounting them because they are not a big name. Just like Lemondogs only got recognition after they had already stopped to exist. Besides Fnatic are not looking any worse than the other splits. Last summer split they were close to relegation before the last playday. Last spring split they lost 8 games in a row. This one is not quite as bad in comparison.
On June 07 2014 00:53 TitusVI wrote: I dont really want to see fanatic at worlds. At allstars they showed that they are A: not very good or b: they dont give a fuck. Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage.
What is freaking level of Europe, if team who got 3rd/4th place at Worlds is bad? Korean? They care way more than anyone else, it will be ridiculously hard blow for team who won 3 splits in a row to suddenly drop from top-3 and not go to Worlds if ofc EU gets 3 spots.
Even though, it's even season, so logic says that Fnatic will be 4th on Regionals.
If they care, they aren't really showing it. Also they just... Aren't that good anymore. xPeke has looked over the hill for a while now. SoaZ keeps doing weird shit that works in EU but gets stomped against international competition. Only Fnatic members who are looking remotely like Worlds contenders are Rekkles and Yellowstar, and I think we all know by now a good botlane isn't enough to carry a team.
Only thing keeping Fnatic in contention for the Worlds spot is the fact that EU as a region has lost a lot of depth. Beyond ALL and SK, who's going to challenge for that hypothetical 3rd worlds slot? SHC?
Well, i still expect them to recover. I never was fan of Fnatic since Get_Right left organisation, but well, i expect them to be at least top-2 in the playoffs.
On June 07 2014 00:53 TitusVI wrote: I dont really want to see fanatic at worlds. At allstars they showed that they are A: not very good or b: they dont give a fuck. Ok even the other teams will not be very good then at least we will see sthat some new teams have a chance on the int stage.
What is freaking level of Europe, if team who got 3rd/4th place at Worlds is bad? Korean? They care way more than anyone else, it will be ridiculously hard blow for team who won 3 splits in a row to suddenly drop from top-3 and not go to Worlds if ofc EU gets 3 spots.
Even though, it's even season, so logic says that Fnatic will be 4th on Regionals.
If they care, they aren't really showing it. Also they just... Aren't that good anymore. xPeke has looked over the hill for a while now. SoaZ keeps doing weird shit that works in EU but gets stomped against international competition. Only Fnatic members who are looking remotely like Worlds contenders are Rekkles and Yellowstar, and I think we all know by now a good botlane isn't enough to carry a team.
Only thing keeping Fnatic in contention for the Worlds spot is the fact that EU as a region has lost a lot of depth. Beyond ALL and SK, who's going to challenge for that hypothetical 3rd worlds slot? SHC?
Why not SHC? You guys are just discounting them because they are not a big name. Just like Lemondogs only got recognition after they had already stopped to exist. Besides Fnatic are not looking any worse than the other splits. Last summer split they were close to relegation before the last playday. Last spring split they lost 8 games in a row. This one is not quite as bad in comparison.
Lemondogs were abusing the meta, SHC are still playing as MrRallez + 4.
I am happy Nrated is going hyphee. He has made some big plays and some big misses. Gotta practice those monster flash flays in LAN settings to help get confident in doing those on the big stage.
On June 07 2014 01:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Svenskeren is getting bodied so hard by Gambit tonight l0l. Anyway, niQ isn't in best shape tonight, let's go next.
My fantasy fate is on next game.
The 100% kill participation and huge SK lead say otherwise.
On June 07 2014 01:55 skykh wrote: Cw,roccat,gambit are pretty much bottom 3, fnatic,mil,shc middle and top 2 ALL and SK
Shc looks like #3 team atm pretty clearly imo.
Right now - yes, but I wouldn't be suprised if they fell in an uncomfortable meta against Fnatic.
Oh definitely.Just looking at the level of play we've seen so far.
They're still MrRallez + 4, Mimer can't carry when Rallez struggles and if Selfie is getting bodied in the middle, SHC are pretty much 1-threat team. Like, remember their last meeting against {M}, when Mimer had shittons cs with Irelia and still did nothing because Kerp and KottenX just destroyed Selfie and Impaler because of pink ward simple ignorance.
On June 07 2014 01:55 skykh wrote: Cw,roccat,gambit are pretty much bottom 3, fnatic,mil,shc middle and top 2 ALL and SK
Shc looks like #3 team atm pretty clearly imo.
Right now - yes, but I wouldn't be suprised if they fell in an uncomfortable meta against Fnatic.
Oh definitely.Just looking at the level of play we've seen so far.
They're still MrRallez + 4, Mimer can't carry when Rallez struggles and if Selfie is getting bodied in the middle, SHC are pretty much 1-threat team. Like, remember their last meeting against {M}, when Mimer had shittons cs with Irelia and still did nothing because Kerp and KottenX just destroyed Selfie and Impaler because of pink ward simple ignorance.
Agree about Mimer, disagree about Selfie. That was not as one sided as you are making it out to be.
On June 07 2014 01:55 skykh wrote: Cw,roccat,gambit are pretty much bottom 3, fnatic,mil,shc middle and top 2 ALL and SK
Shc looks like #3 team atm pretty clearly imo.
Right now - yes, but I wouldn't be suprised if they fell in an uncomfortable meta against Fnatic.
Oh definitely.Just looking at the level of play we've seen so far.
They're still MrRallez + 4, Mimer can't carry when Rallez struggles and if Selfie is getting bodied in the middle, SHC are pretty much 1-threat team. Like, remember their last meeting against {M}, when Mimer had shittons cs with Irelia and still did nothing because Kerp and KottenX just destroyed Selfie and Impaler because of pink ward simple ignorance.
Agree about Mimer, disagree about Selfie. That was not as one sided as you are making it out to be.
Did you see at least one game when Selfie came back rolling after losing midlane? I didn't or i just forgot but it's doubtful.
Picks: Ziggs, Lee Sin, Lucian, Irelia, Leona. . Thresh, Evelynn, Twisted Fate, Kog'Maw, Shyvana. .
Deathcap rush again, cowTard? :Dp WHERE IS SHYVANA WHOLE WEEK, WTF IS HAPPENING. Finally.
On June 07 2014 02:08 AlterKot wrote: You just defended Mimer yesterday :D Personally I'd say it's Rallez/Faller/Selfie + 2 if anything.
Well, he's doing his job, i wanted to say. 1,5 splits before he was literally doing nothing. You can't expect him to carry but at least he will play tanks, farm and get big even if he still does nothing in carrying phase.
Mimer is okay, he plays decently enough to run around being tanky which is about all that can be expected from a top laner in the current meta. Impaler still too inconsistent though, his highs are matched by some atrocious lows.
On June 07 2014 02:36 TitusVI wrote: see cw is overall a not very smart team
Just for the record, I thought they were a smart team with Forgiven and Amazing, definitely agree that they aren't right now. Still cheering for them a bit though, but at least now I have an excuse in Cowtard on my flex :p
On June 07 2014 02:36 TitusVI wrote: see cw is overall a not very smart team
Just for the record, I thought they were a smart team with Forgiven and Amazing, definitely agree that they aren't right now. Still cheering for them a bit though, but at least now I have an excuse in Cowtard on my flex :p
Were they? CW never were doing something outstanding by themselves, they're typical bottom-LCS team which is too bad to be high and too good to be dropped out. Thing is that just Shook/Rekkles and Amazing/Forg1ven were better than Airwaks/Woolite even if Woolite is playing out of his pants to carry this team but it's too hard.
FANTASY IS SAVED. Teams with Ziggs really are winners in fantasy, that's it.
On June 07 2014 02:36 TitusVI wrote: see cw is overall a not very smart team
Just for the record, I thought they were a smart team with Forgiven and Amazing, definitely agree that they aren't right now. Still cheering for them a bit though, but at least now I have an excuse in Cowtard on my flex :p
i got sympathy for people cheering for teams that are not the cherry on the icecream.
On June 07 2014 02:45 AlterKot wrote: CW showing why most EU teams don't try to make plays when at disadvantage
wtf kind of reasoning is this? No. Just no. CW showing that you shouldn't feed a team multiple kills at baron, give them baron, then recklessly engage AWAY from their fucking tower for no fucking reason.
On June 07 2014 02:52 Swords wrote: What did he do? I'm at work and can't watch atm.
TF ulted into creaton/kerp, kerp just zhonya'd. Creaton chunked him then cowtard zhonyad and promptly died when he came out. He was also too far away from anyone but airwaks anyway.
On June 07 2014 02:52 Swords wrote: What did he do? I'm at work and can't watch atm.
TF ulted into creaton/kerp, kerp just zhonya'd. Creaton chunked him then cowtard zhonyad and promptly died when he came out. He was also too far away from anyone but airwaks anyway.
On June 07 2014 02:53 Sakray wrote: Btw Creaton with no IE as Lucian ? That's weird
When has Lucian ever built IE after BT and TF? You have shit crit. Sneaky talked about how that is worse than BotRK quite clearly. He had just built an LW like a good ADC and got a BotRK to finish.
On June 07 2014 02:53 Sakray wrote: Btw Creaton with no IE as Lucian ? That's weird
When has Lucian ever built IE after BT and TF? You have shit crit. Sneaky talked about how that is worse than BotRK quite clearly. He had just built an LW like a good ADC and got a BotRK to finish.
IE is extremely efficient on lucian. You don't nee to buy AS, to scale his crit, since he gets free AS from his passive. If you have sufficient peel, IE is a dps upgrade from BotRK.
Also, you have to take into account Sneaky is rarely first option for c9.
On June 07 2014 02:53 Sakray wrote: Btw Creaton with no IE as Lucian ? That's weird
When has Lucian ever built IE after BT and TF? You have shit crit. Sneaky talked about how that is worse than BotRK quite clearly. He had just built an LW like a good ADC and got a BotRK to finish.
Yup he actually said that botrk not only gives active and lifesteal but also makes more damage than IE at this point of the game where they have much hp.
On June 07 2014 02:53 Sakray wrote: Btw Creaton with no IE as Lucian ? That's weird
When has Lucian ever built IE after BT and TF? You have shit crit. Sneaky talked about how that is worse than BotRK quite clearly. He had just built an LW like a good ADC and got a BotRK to finish.
Yup he actually said that botrk not only gives active and lifesteal but also makes more damage than IE at this point of the game where they have much hp.
BotRK does not beat 25% critchance with 250% crit multiplier (in dps).
Quickshot pls, [A] played Anivia against Roccat on red side last time in Spring Split. OH, HELLO THERE, SONA.
On June 07 2014 03:23 ketchup wrote: Does anyone actually have experience with Sona + Lucian vs Morgana + Twitch match up? Seems really really difficult for Sona..
On June 07 2014 03:23 ketchup wrote: Does anyone actually have experience with Sona + Lucian vs Morgana + Twitch match up? Seems really really difficult for Sona..
Easy match up for lucian/sona until a binding lands then sona gets reported for feeding.
On June 07 2014 03:23 ketchup wrote: Does anyone actually have experience with Sona + Lucian vs Morgana + Twitch match up? Seems really really difficult for Sona..
On June 07 2014 03:23 ketchup wrote: Does anyone actually have experience with Sona + Lucian vs Morgana + Twitch match up? Seems really really difficult for Sona..
Easy match up for lucian/sona until a binding lands then sona gets reported for feeding.
On June 07 2014 03:23 ketchup wrote: Does anyone actually have experience with Sona + Lucian vs Morgana + Twitch match up? Seems really really difficult for Sona..
On June 07 2014 02:53 Sakray wrote: Btw Creaton with no IE as Lucian ? That's weird
When has Lucian ever built IE after BT and TF? You have shit crit. Sneaky talked about how that is worse than BotRK quite clearly. He had just built an LW like a good ADC and got a BotRK to finish.
Yup he actually said that botrk not only gives active and lifesteal but also makes more damage than IE at this point of the game where they have much hp.
BotRK does not beat 25% critchance with 250% crit multiplier.
It depends on the hp of the target. Consider also that with lucians passive his 2nd shot does 50% damage but 100% botrk on hit effect damage. Ie. on a 3k hp target the botrk on hit is 150 damage. The active will do 450 damage (15% max hp). I actually think that IE should do more damage overall but not nearly enough to outweigh the utility, tankiness and cheaper price of botrk. Also, the BT TF LW IE is lacking in AS and here the 40% from botrk comes handy, while in BT shiv/PD LW IE the AS is sufficient + more crit.
On June 07 2014 02:53 Sakray wrote: Btw Creaton with no IE as Lucian ? That's weird
When has Lucian ever built IE after BT and TF? You have shit crit. Sneaky talked about how that is worse than BotRK quite clearly. He had just built an LW like a good ADC and got a BotRK to finish.
Yup he actually said that botrk not only gives active and lifesteal but also makes more damage than IE at this point of the game where they have much hp.
BotRK does not beat 25% critchance with 250% crit multiplier.
It depends on the hp of the target. Consider also that with lucians passive his 2nd shot does 50% damage but 100% botrk on hit effect damage. Ie. on a 3k hp target the botrk on hit is 150 damage. The active will do 450 damage (15% max hp). I actually think that IE should do more damage overall but not nearly enough to outweigh the utility, tankiness and cheaper price of botrk. Also, the BT TF LW IE is lacking in AS and here the 40% from botrk comes handy, while in BT shiv/PD LW IE the AS is sufficient + more crit.
you don't need AS on lucian, his passive gives pseudo AS. It's all about his burst, then disengage til his rotations come back up.
also, whoever predicted the Q landing on morgana, and sona beign reported. 10/10.
On June 07 2014 03:41 Amethyst21 wrote: Alliancefroggen looking great. My hat is off to them. Just a drastic improvement from the poor Alliance of last split.
On June 07 2014 03:42 Fusilero wrote: So the bird is back?
Until it's perma-banned against Alliance.
So until next week bird is the word.
Even with this performance, there is no way they prioritize anivia ban over others. This type of play is not that easy to replicate, and teams should know how to play against anivia
On June 07 2014 03:43 cuppatea wrote: LoL is so much more exciting without all the lane swap bullshit.
Inane comment. Koreans laneswap and the games are awesome. The problem is that Western teams are struggling to know how to force plays and their wave control is amateur Korean team level.
On June 07 2014 03:42 Fusilero wrote: So the bird is back?
Until it's perma-banned against Alliance.
So until next week bird is the word.
Even with this performance, there is no way they prioritize anivia ban over others. This type of play is not that easy to replicate, and teams should know how to play against anivia
IMO it's not an anivia problem, but a froggen problem. he's just the best midlaner in EU right now. he'd still be shitting on everyone with something else.
On June 07 2014 03:42 Fusilero wrote: So the bird is back?
Until it's perma-banned against Alliance.
So until next week bird is the word.
Even with this performance, there is no way they prioritize anivia ban over others. This type of play is not that easy to replicate, and teams should know how to play against anivia
In Season 2 everyone knew how to play against Wickd's Irelia and Froggen's Anivia. Never helped. Well, almost never.
Froggen has too deep champion pool to try to ban him, even if you don't give him Anivia, he still has 5-7 picks in hat.
On June 07 2014 03:42 Fusilero wrote: So the bird is back?
Until it's perma-banned against Alliance.
So until next week bird is the word.
Even with this performance, there is no way they prioritize anivia ban over others. This type of play is not that easy to replicate, and teams should know how to play against anivia
I see what you're saying, and you may be right. I dunno though, Froggen playing Anivia isn't really Anivia, it's a whole different champ in his hands.
EDIT: What other people haves said about it being a Froggen problem may be true too.
On June 07 2014 03:47 nonlamer wrote: Will mid teleport become meta?
It's mostly an anivia problem, she can't roam without dying like froggen just did right now. So she needs the teleport to make up for the mobility issue. But TF is also extremely popular right now, and his ult has a teleport mechanic. So yes and no.
Stuff like leblanc with strong mobility, and strong 1v1 burst potential makes her roam safer, so she doesn't need the teleport.
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
#FreeElementz
Ok, I exaggerated a bit. It was not an Elementz or Chauster ult at least
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
Something something his name something
I kind of miss seeing champions like sona in competitive, having someone be super reliant on one skill or play adds a tension to every situation that isn't really there with someone like thresh/morg/whoever who can just try again 4 seconds later. Having teamfights be based so heavily around 3-4 skills on each team is pretty exciting compared to every champion just having their important teamfight rotation up every 15s
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
#FreeElementz
Ok, I exaggerated a bit. It was not an Elementz or Chauster ult at least
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
Something something his name something
I kind of miss seeing champions like sona in competitive, having someone be super reliant on one skill or play adds a tension to every situation that isn't really there with someone like thresh/morg/whoever who can just try again 4 seconds later. Having teamfights be based so heavily around 3-4 skills on each team is pretty exciting compared to every champion just having their important teamfight rotation up every 15s
Sona used to be THE lanebully support. But rip heals and base stats.
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
Something something his name something
I kind of miss seeing champions like sona in competitive, having someone be super reliant on one skill or play adds a tension to every situation that isn't really there with someone like thresh/morg/whoever who can just try again 4 seconds later. Having teamfights be based so heavily around 3-4 skills on each team is pretty exciting compared to every champion just having their important teamfight rotation up every 15s
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
#FreeElementz
Ok, I exaggerated a bit. It was not an Elementz or Chauster ult at least
Right as you say that
#FreeSona
Jokes aside, amount of wards that [A] are purchasing is just immense.
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
Something something his name something
I kind of miss seeing champions like sona in competitive, having someone be super reliant on one skill or play adds a tension to every situation that isn't really there with someone like thresh/morg/whoever who can just try again 4 seconds later. Having teamfights be based so heavily around 3-4 skills on each team is pretty exciting compared to every champion just having their important teamfight rotation up every 15s
Sona used to be THE lanebully support. But rip heals and base stats.
She will comeback in 4.10 with new items and Mikael's Crucible nerf.
On June 07 2014 03:53 Amethyst21 wrote: That was a bold engagement attempt from SHC. It almost worked out for them, but it seems like it could have been better coordinated
It was a bad engagement, because he missed the one champion he wanted to hit: Anivia. He failed his team hard there. Also it's Sona. He engaged alone with Sona. Terror ult imo.
Something something his name something
I kind of miss seeing champions like sona in competitive, having someone be super reliant on one skill or play adds a tension to every situation that isn't really there with someone like thresh/morg/whoever who can just try again 4 seconds later. Having teamfights be based so heavily around 3-4 skills on each team is pretty exciting compared to every champion just having their important teamfight rotation up every 15s
Sona used to be THE lanebully support. But rip heals and base stats.
I remember the days when she had more hp then a caster minion
But her teamfighting has always been crazy ult into paper mache balloon.
On June 07 2014 04:09 MattBarry wrote: Nami is just a better Sona tbh
absolutely not, completely different play styles and uses
Not really. Their biggest difference is Nami ult is better at disengage whereas Sona ult is much better at engage. In lane they're both poke+sustain
both their ults are better for disengage, like you're gonna have to make some pretty baller flash crescendos to decently engage on sona, and if you miss you just die
On June 07 2014 04:09 MattBarry wrote: Nami is just a better Sona tbh
absolutely not, completely different play styles and uses
Not really. Their biggest difference is Nami ult is better at disengage whereas Sona ult is much better at engage. In lane they're both poke+sustain
both their ults are better for disengage, like you're gonna have to make some pretty baller flash crescendos to decently engage on sona, and if you miss you just die
That may be true, but Sona is still better at engaging a fight with crescendo than Nami with tidal wave. Tidal wave isn't a hard engage, it's a really good follow-up initiation though
On June 07 2014 04:09 MattBarry wrote: Nami is just a better Sona tbh
absolutely not, completely different play styles and uses
Not really. Their biggest difference is Nami ult is better at disengage whereas Sona ult is much better at engage. In lane they're both poke+sustain
Nami is a lot more similar to zyra, they both are big disengage/counter engage champions. Sona is more like annie, instant cc can combine with flash to instantly catch stuff.
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
Surely, the best EU top laner is more skilled then everyone else to make their top laner TP irrelevant.
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
Surely, the best EU top laner is more skilled then everyone else to make their top laner TP irrelevant.
Unfortunately thought it is not to be, without TP nerfs we cannot know which players are better at playing top lane.
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
Surely, the best EU top laner is more skilled then everyone else to make their top laner TP irrelevant.
Unfortunately thought it is not to be, without TP nerfs we cannot know which players are better at playing top lane.
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
Surely, the best EU top laner is more skilled then everyone else to make their top laner TP irrelevant.
Unfortunately thought it is not to be, without TP nerfs we cannot know which players are better at playing top lane.
Soaz is really just a big hipster. He was running TP back before it was cool and now it's mainstream and everyone wants to play toplane with TP and thinks they look cool doing it.
On June 07 2014 04:20 Disengaged wrote: Time for the best EU top laner.
Hue.
Excuse me but TP meta means that you cannot be the better top laner therefore he cannot be the best EU top laner because every top laner is exactly the same
Surely, the best EU top laner is more skilled then everyone else to make their top laner TP irrelevant.
Unfortunately thought it is not to be, without TP nerfs we cannot know which players are better at playing top lane.
Soaz is really just a big hipster. He was running TP back before it was cool and now it's mainstream and everyone wants to play toplane with TP and thinks they look cool doing it.
On June 07 2014 04:32 Alaric wrote: Noooooo. No xPeke on Ziggs. Ffs. Fnatic gonna draw this out so much even if they win and Dandel gonna rack in all the points. T_T
On June 07 2014 04:09 MattBarry wrote: Nami is just a better Sona tbh
absolutely not, completely different play styles and uses
Not really. Their biggest difference is Nami ult is better at disengage whereas Sona ult is much better at engage. In lane they're both poke+sustain
both their ults are better for disengage, like you're gonna have to make some pretty baller flash crescendos to decently engage on sona, and if you miss you just die
wat. When sona was popular her ult was virtually always used for engage or counter-engage.
On June 07 2014 04:32 Alaric wrote: Noooooo. No xPeke on Ziggs. Ffs. Fnatic gonna draw this out so much even if they win and Dandel gonna rack in all the points. T_T
making bank all day holla holla 420
I'm not that far behind you and I expect Crumbzzz to beat Quas, but Vassili will certainly outdo Tabzz, and I really doubt Crumbzz can ks as much as Svenskeren, while Curse, well... you're gonna make points in there. Dig has a hard week so basically I'm banking on XWX ks-ing Vassili even more than Svenskeren ks'd Jesiz. Welp, not gonna happen.
On June 07 2014 04:32 Alaric wrote: Noooooo. No xPeke on Ziggs. Ffs. Fnatic gonna draw this out so much even if they win and Dandel gonna rack in all the points. T_T
making bank all day holla holla 420
I'm not that far behind you and I expect Crumbzzz to beat Quas, but Vassili will certainly outdo Tabzz, and I really doubt Crumbzz can ks as much as Svenskeren, while Curse, well... you're gonna make points in there. Dig has a hard week so basically I'm banking on XWX ks-ing Vassili even more than Svenskeren ks'd Jesiz. Welp, not gonna happen.
It's not that easy to outdo 40,01 points lol, even with compLexity and TSM to play against. Even though, you have XWX so you will be ok this week i feel.
CAN ROCCAT FINALLY WIN? Seems like they can't, nah.
On June 07 2014 04:32 Alaric wrote: Noooooo. No xPeke on Ziggs. Ffs. Fnatic gonna draw this out so much even if they win and Dandel gonna rack in all the points. T_T
making bank all day holla holla 420
I'm not that far behind you and I expect Crumbzzz to beat Quas, but Vassili will certainly outdo Tabzz, and I really doubt Crumbzz can ks as much as Svenskeren, while Curse, well... you're gonna make points in there. Dig has a hard week so basically I'm banking on XWX ks-ing Vassili even more than Svenskeren ks'd Jesiz. Welp, not gonna happen.
It's not that easy to outdo 40,01 points lol, even with compLexity and TSM to play against. Even though, you have XWX so you will be ok this week i feel.
CAN ROCCAT FINALLY WIN?
I HOPE SO.
And not the way SHC did after giving Fnatic 16 points for losing a game. :<
Celavar took so long to come top wtf. Just let that wave mid and run top, it's not going to kill the inhib tower.
They've also had 2 opportunities to kill the mid tower. Against fucking Ziggs. And they didn't take them. Against fucking Ziggs. Do they have no idea how to play against the damn sucker?
^ they can't. They've lost no inner tower and they have Ziggs. They can't. Even if Roccat aced them, they'd lose 30 of the 60s respawn timers to get a minion wave to tank towers for them.
Fnatic are becoming a worse CLG.eu. "We're being pretty trash, so we'll just take the picks that refuse to play against the other guys and keep abusing them."
And since the meta even promotes that shitty kind of "play"... these games are cancer. I mean, regardless of them being on Dandel's fantasy. That's just painful to watch, you want to slap them like you wanted to slap Froggen in s2.
(Vote): - Excellent game (Vote): - Good game (Vote): - Mediocre game (Vote): - Bad game (Vote): - All hail double Mikael's Crucible.
Also, OP team is something like Wickd, Shook/Svenskeren, Jesiz, Woolite and Nyph with Froggen getting MVP? SO FAR SO GOOD, especially considering that Riot are giving MVP/OP player to same player since that season. Oh, Tabzz, pls.
OH GOD, YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. Time to get a bath, this weather is atrocious. Brb.
On June 07 2014 05:19 Alaric wrote: Fnatic are becoming a worse CLG.eu. "We're being pretty trash, so we'll just take the picks that refuse to play against the other guys and keep abusing them."
And since the meta even promotes that shitty kind of "play"... these games are cancer. I mean, regardless of them being on Dandel's fantasy. That's just painful to watch, you want to slap them like you wanted to slap Froggen in s2.
Fucking please, CLG.eu never did same shit as Fnatic are doing. Froggen, Wickd and Yellowpete always were top-3 on their positions in S2 with Krepo and Snoopeh being utility crew. Don't touch my boys.
On June 07 2014 05:19 Alaric wrote: Fnatic are becoming a worse CLG.eu. "We're being pretty trash, so we'll just take the picks that refuse to play against the other guys and keep abusing them."
And since the meta even promotes that shitty kind of "play"... these games are cancer. I mean, regardless of them being on Dandel's fantasy. That's just painful to watch, you want to slap them like you wanted to slap Froggen in s2.
At least froggen was good.
Fnatic is bad, just a ton of other teams that are more bad.
On June 07 2014 05:22 Sleight wrote: Ummm... The patented CLG.eu lose game against m5, stall with Anivia for an hour, win game because Darien would Darien. That was pretty cancerous.
Difference was CLG.EU when they were on the back foot. Fnatic has the lead and they do the same shit.
On June 07 2014 05:19 Alaric wrote: Fnatic are becoming a worse CLG.eu. "We're being pretty trash, so we'll just take the picks that refuse to play against the other guys and keep abusing them."
And since the meta even promotes that shitty kind of "play"... these games are cancer. I mean, regardless of them being on Dandel's fantasy. That's just painful to watch, you want to slap them like you wanted to slap Froggen in s2.
At least froggen was good.
Fnatic is bad, just a ton of other teams that are more bad.
On June 07 2014 05:22 Sleight wrote: Ummm... The patented CLG.eu lose game against m5, stall with Anivia for an hour, win game because Darien would Darien. That was pretty cancerous.
It was pretty much M5 fails which won CLG.EU the game and it was Alex who made a final throw though. If you can't close game against Anivia/Tristana, you're pretty much fucked, nothing changed in that case.
Also, you're not expecting team with 27k gold deficit to fight for their lives everywhere but their base.
On June 07 2014 05:19 Alaric wrote: Fnatic are becoming a worse CLG.eu. "We're being pretty trash, so we'll just take the picks that refuse to play against the other guys and keep abusing them."
And since the meta even promotes that shitty kind of "play"... these games are cancer. I mean, regardless of them being on Dandel's fantasy. That's just painful to watch, you want to slap them like you wanted to slap Froggen in s2.
At least froggen was good.
Fnatic is bad, just a ton of other teams that are more bad.
Inb4 they win summer split
implying they wouldn't lose to a brazilian team in worlds.
Meh, yellowpete was doing 0K, but not exactly top 3. And it doesn't matter if Froggen is good or not, he was playing friggin' Anivia or Lux (when her ult's cd was around 30s from level 11 onward with max CDR), guy can just go diaf figuratively as far as I'm concerned. >_<
I wonder when we will see Fnatic come back to form? Is it going to take until week 6 to start playing well again this split? The Spring was painful to watch and I don't know if Fnatic can crack into the top 3 teams this split and get to worlds this year. People keep talking about adding analysts to a team but is that really it? Will adding one or two more people to your support staff turn your team around?
On June 11 2014 11:40 Vultcher wrote: I wonder when we will see Fnatic come back to form? Is it going to take until week 6 to start playing well again this split? The Spring was painful to watch and I don't know if Fnatic can crack into the top 3 teams this split and get to worlds this year. People keep talking about adding analysts to a team but is that really it? Will adding one or two more people to your support staff turn your team around?
They're not playing worse than before. Fnatic always were that slowpoke-style team who will abuse meta to win.
Unless sOAZ and Rekkles start to perform though, perform as you can expect, they will be in the middle of the pack. But i don't think they will contest [A] anyway this season.
Even though, jokes aside, tp got nerfed on PBE, so i assume that sOAZ is going to either dominate again or just lose his last excuse. I don't think Fnatic will miss Worlds if EU ofc gets 3 spots because it's already seems to be known that China gets 3 spots this time. Probably, even if 2 spots, Fnatic will be 2nd, right behind [A], SK are just too underwhelming mechanically and in BoX series it sucks usually.
Coaches and analysts are good but it's not a panacea.
On June 11 2014 21:39 Sakray wrote: I would prefer to see SK than Fnatic in worlds as FNC always do bad during internationnal competitions.
fanatic doesnt want a coach.we have 5 guys who know they won 3 splits without any outsiders and they dont change it until the end. Well i hope we see froggen in worlds just to see how he performs and he really wanted to play in worlds.
They got overconfident by winning 3 splits, basically "meh we're the best we don't need coach". Now you can see where they're heading by watching soaz.
On June 12 2014 03:07 TitusVI wrote: fanatic doesnt want a coach.we have 5 guys who know they won 3 splits without any outsiders and they dont change it until the end. Well i hope we see froggen in worlds just to see how he performs and he really wanted to play in worlds.
That's just wrong. Fnatic had one of the biggest support staff out of all western teams at Worlds. They got rid of their staff afterwards.
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