EPT[Riot] LoL All-Stars Tournament 2014 - Page 54
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Guys, faceless Koreans are Koreans that have no real distinctive personality in either interviews or after winning. You can smile and still be a "faceless Korean." See: Alive or Innovation Innovation is a step above "faceless Korean" though, his interviews are so bad, blunt and non-threatening they became hilarious. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:31 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's like Korean starcrafters are faceless. If they're not streaming 24/7, it doesn't mean that they're faceless :D But people still think so. I think in SC2 that perception can largely be attributed to the fact that we had very little people actually dominate for extended periods of times and the GSL champions changed so regularly. In BW this notion seems to be much less present. If Faker hadn't consistently been dominating as hard as he did nobody in the world would remember him, he really doesn't seem like a very outspoken person and doesn't have an outstanding personality. Actually I think for many people he is the "Korean robot" that will just destroy you, which in and of itself gives him some novelty again. Similar to how Innovation was perceived maybe, although his period of domination was much shorter. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
People are only faceless until you get to know them. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9201 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:38 UmberBane wrote: I think in SC2 that perception can largely be attributed to the fact that we had very little people actually dominate for extended periods of times and the GSL champions changed so regularly. In BW this notion seems to be much less present. If Faker hadn't consistently been dominating as hard as he did nobody in the world would remember him, he really doesn't seem like a very outspoken person and doesn't have an outstanding personality. Actually I think for many people he is the "Korean robot" that will just destroy you, which in and of itself gives him some novelty again. Similar to how Innovation was perceived maybe, although his period of domination was much shorter. Same can be said about many western fan favorites (i.e. Dyrus), the language barrier plays a bigger role in this than their actual personalities | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:38 UmberBane wrote: I think in SC2 that perception can largely be attributed to the fact that we had very little people actually dominate for extended periods of times and the GSL champions changed so regularly. In BW this notion seems to be much less present. If Faker hadn't consistently been dominating as hard as he did nobody in the world would remember him, he really doesn't seem like a very outspoken person and doesn't have an outstanding personality. Actually I think for many people he is the "Korean robot" that will just destroy you, which in and of itself gives him some novelty again. Similar to how Innovation was perceived maybe, although his period of domination was much shorter. I would add that maybe Sc2 koreans pretty much are focused on themselfes, have less social interaction and have to do many fights with themseves, so they are much likely more introverted while lol-koreans need to interact together, can win or loose together which makes them more social and also their talking skills are better so at the end this reflects into what we see of them is more facefull. Just a theory. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:36 AlterKot wrote: Are you guys suggesting that the better guy in fighting games wins because he knows a better combo :D ? I mean it's all cool that you can win more in your local scene just because you drop less links or what not, but in high-level play it acts more as an entry barrier, not as the ground to compare skill. For comparison, just today we saw the best players from one region making huge input errors while their enemies were doing some insane stuff that you wouldn't think anyone would be confident enough to pull off in competitive play. I've never seen a top8 match at a major capcom/anime/tekken tournament where someone would win solely because his hands move faster or has more precise timing, it's all about prediction and mindgames. That's kind of the point. You can't even sniff top tier competition in the FGC without having your 'mechanics'(I love how this is all an argument over an abstract idea, a moving target of one at that) being damn near flawless. You can have all the knowledge of a matchup you want, if you can't react incredibly fast on your reads with precision input you lose to the person that makes matchup errors but executes his flawed gameplan to perfection. Really though this discussion is always stupid and I hate myself for getting involved in it. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:36 AlterKot wrote: Are you guys suggesting that the better guy in fighting games wins because he knows a better combo :D ? I mean it's all cool that you can win more in your local scene just because you drop less links or what not, but in high-level play it acts more as an entry barrier, not as the ground to compare skill. For comparison, just today we saw the best players from one region making huge input errors while their enemies were doing some insane stuff that you wouldn't think anyone would be confident enough to pull off in competitive play. I've never seen a top8 match at a major capcom/anime/tekken tournament where someone would win solely because his hands move faster or has more precise timing, it's all about prediction and mindgames. i hope youre trolling, for your sake at least. you havent seen it, because youre clueless. you find dropped combos, missed punishes, dropped real blockstrings in every freaking sf set, no matter what level. on top of that, those players practice hundreds of hours, for years, and still drop it, that says more than enough. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
Artok you are completely missing my point. Perhaps I'm not speaking my mind clearly but I guess there's no point trying to clarify myself further. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
When its something like Morning vs Xiyang or Faker vs Link, things like matchup knowledge and mindgames become irrelevant since the players' mechanics are not at the same level. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:56 AlterKot wrote: I don't really know anyone who would have matchup knowledge and wouldn't be able to use it, but I guess it could just be my experience. Overall I insist that all the top fighting game player have similar manual skill whereas in League having "good mechanics" can be what differentaties you from other top players. I agree but that's part of what makes the argument silly. Putting in that 10k hour rule is going to get your matchup knowledge as well as sure up your inputs. Also if reaction times and the followup reflex are part of 'mechanics' than getting matchup knowledge is in a way also part of mechanics, because being aware of what can come will shorten the time it takes you to react to it, and your reflex will be better as a result. This continues into the line of thought of why 'mechanics' is such an ambiguous discussion to ever get into. It basically works in RTS's because people have a pretty well defined idea of what it means in that genre, but everywhere else it's a total clusterfuck. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On May 09 2014 04:58 Kupon3ss wrote: Basically what he's trying to say is that while mechanics probably don't matter as much at the highest level where everybody has excellent mechanics, NA/EU don't play anywhere near that level. When its something like Morning vs Xiyang or Faker vs Link, things like matchup knowledge and mindgames become irrelevant since the players' mechanics are not at the same level. Also Link playing like a pussy and starting flask. He would never do that in NA. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22281 Posts
On May 09 2014 05:05 orzeu wrote: Also Link playing like a pussy and starting flask. He would never do that in NA. Link is far out his comfort zone tho so I don't you can blame him for starting safe. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On May 09 2014 05:05 orzeu wrote: Also Link playing like a pussy and starting flask. He would never do that in NA. Link has started flask several times in NA, especially in the leblanc vs lulu matchup (but from leblancs perspective) | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On May 09 2014 05:07 AsnSensation wrote: Link has started flask several times in NA, especially in the leblanc vs lulu matchup (but from leblancs perspective) Meanwhile he's playing against the guy who used to start with the 475g Doran Ring as Karthus (and I'm pretty sure he didn't take MR blues) | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Really 6 am start time tomorrow? Bah | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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