EPT[Riot] LoL All-Stars Tournament 2014 - Page 100
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On May 10 2014 07:57 MattBarry wrote: Who could Fnatic replace with a strong shot caller though? Support and jungle are typically roles you'd look to do that, maybe Cyanide but I don't think after winning every European event they'd replace one of their core members. Yellowstar is mechanically a great support, maybe if Fnatic gets an analyst he can spend a bunch of time with him learning macro strategy? Yellowstar is really good shotcaller for Western standarts. They had analyst/managers and shit at Worlds (even Monte was impress how pro they were) and after that everything went to shit. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On May 10 2014 08:01 Fusilero wrote: What fnatic needs is a coach that can improve their macro game (As shown by SK, the more permabanned the better so FNC.Darkwinjax pls) and to restore soaz's passion. Yeah. Fnatic is the most stacked team with mechanical talent in the West, maybe tied with supercharged Amazing TSM. Fucking TSM man, they keep picking up players I like, I'm basically a fan now | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On May 10 2014 08:01 Fusilero wrote: What fnatic needs is a coach that can improve their macro game (As shown by SK, the more permabanned the better so FNC.Darkwinjax pls) and to restore soaz's passion. According to Impaler SHC have some analyst from Samsung. Will be interesting how they perform next split. SK v2? | ||
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sataNik[pG]
Greece724 Posts
In regards to shotcalling fnatic is a messy team as anyone can call whatever, compare that to the crisp clear assignment of roles in C9 where lemon organises the lvl1, meteos the jungle objectives and ganks and Hai the teamfights. This way you get no contradicting calls and the whole team acts as a unit. The korean school dictates support and jungler as the most appropriate roles to do calls and i agree with that. A good jungler should know what to do and should do what he wants. Fnatic have a jungler who doesnt have his own will but he is controlled by his laners. I think that this might be the source of most problems. Yellowstar is exeptional in everything. I also agree that they need someone to organise them, they cant do it by themselves. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 10 2014 08:11 MattBarry wrote: Yeah. Fnatic is the most stacked team with mechanical talent in the West, maybe tied with supercharged Amazing TSM. Fucking TSM man, they keep picking up players I like, I'm basically a fan now Alliance are the most mechanically skilled team in the West right now, tied with NiP who sadly has to play in Challenger scene. Fnatic just need to have an incentive always, that's it. Sadly or no, when you win 3 splits in EU in a row, your brains are just off and can't understand whole idea about competition in region, it's understandable. They need either be 2x20'd tomorrow by SKT T1 to realise that something is wrong or get Nrated as a coach when he retires. Incarnation works too, considering that he's permabanned. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 10 2014 08:15 orzeu wrote: According to Impaler SHC have some analyst from Samsung. Will be interesting how they perform next split. SK v2? That'll be interesting to say the least, saigon jokers jumped from barely mid tier GPL top legit threat to Taiwan and top 4 in SEA with the help of one of former team MVP coaches. It's possible that SHC may suddenly find themselves on top if this coach can work some similar magic. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On May 10 2014 08:30 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, I'm pretty sure C9 will lose to OMG. I think we all remember what happened at IEM. This feels EXACTLY like that. But...but...we can't let the communist win! I just want good, entertaining series. And OMG vs SKT would deliver the best quality games | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22288 Posts
On May 10 2014 08:30 Itsmedudeman wrote: Honestly, I'm pretty sure C9 will lose to OMG. I think we all remember what happened at IEM. This feels EXACTLY like that. Id be happy if they go 1-2 but after todays games im slightly hoping for a possible 2-1. And regardless of who they face (OMG and C9) I do kinda expect SKT to stomp there way through the final. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On May 10 2014 07:53 Slusher wrote: impossible to know if it's excuses or the truth, I thought OMG was the better team going into the game so it's not that hard to believe but it certainly was more subtle than skt's games as someone on reddit pointed out, Allen seemed awful salty after the game (even going as far as to skip the handshake) for a guy who wasen't trying to win I think Allen was salty cause he does seem to alway 100% tryhard every game. However, I do NOT think OMG was sandbagging at all against SKT. They looked legit on their game. Their game against C9 is hard to say. They looked more to me like they were on tilt after the SKT loss than "sandbagging". SKT vs Fnatic on the other hand was 100% them fcking around. Anyone with half a brain should've been able to see that. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
Again, that doesn't discount the fact that C9 played well and OMG played badly (missing ults, etc. etc.), but I think the sandbagging is there for people who know how OMG plays and what they draft. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
I think most people will agree that ALL has the most individual talent in EU (I still think their bot is overrated and Wickd's inabilty to play certain champions hurts), but I'm not sure if they have more than CLG (Double, Moo, Dexter, Seraph). NiP is probably up there too, but I'm actually not sold on Freeze, and it's stil hard to believe that a team with top2-top3 player in every position except for jungle can't beat Millenium, I think the possibility that Nuke and Mithy have regressed and only look good against challenger teams is up in the air. I think C9 has the T1K syndrome where they are so good strategically and some of their players draw so much pressure, that they can setup the game in a way that makes other players look bettter than they are (people rating Sneaky over Double or Lemon over Moo and Xpecial). | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 10 2014 08:41 Zergneedsfood wrote: People watching OMG who have seen OMG play would get the impression that they were sandbagging. People who have not watched a lot of LPL probably wouldn't know though. Again, that doesn't discount the fact that C9 played well and OMG played badly (missing ults, etc. etc.), but I think the sandbagging is there for people who know how OMG plays and what they draft. To be completely honest, LPL now isn't same LPL which was last season. Having 2,5 decent teams in a league is sad. When you're able to 25-3 the league, it's either your team is too good like SKT T1 run through Champions Winter or other teams are just bad like C9 in Summer Split. I guess, if xiyang chills after being facerolled by Faker, he will dominate poor Link tomorrow again and this time actually TRANSITION into midgame and not stuck with 0,5 man shockwaves. On May 10 2014 08:51 AlterKot wrote: Peke, Soaz and yolostar are some of the most long-time league pros, I think their prime has passed - I imagine FNC will still be top3 eu even if SK and Roccat manage to outperform them (or SK and ALL, or ALL and ROC, I'm not an ALL fan), but I just can't see them beating a good NA/CN/KR team anymore in a bo3 - they were running on fumes at IEM. I think most people will agree that ALL has the most individual talent in EU (I still think their bot is overrated and Wickd's inabilty to play certain champions hurts), but I'm not sure if they have more than CLG (Double, Moo, Dexter, Seraph). NiP is probably up there too, but I'm actually not sold on Freeze, and it's stil hard to believe that a team with top2-top3 player in every position except for jungle can't beat Millenium, I think the possibility that Nuke and Mithy have regressed and only look good against challenger teams is up in the air. I think C9 has the T1K syndrome where they are so good strategically and some of their players draw so much pressure, that they can setup the game in a way that makes other players look bettter than they are (people rating Sneaky over Double or Lemon over Moo and Xpecial). Tabzz said that Nyph is too reserved and they're playing bad because of Nyph's mistakes during laning phase, so he will tryhard even more to carry next split. Wickd is just weird, he's one of the best mechanical players in Europe since Season 1, but his inability to play more than 5-10 champions is a joke. CLG are legit, but they're not winning with raw mechanics in NA, that's the thing and EU is basically - who has better mechanics, usually wins, if don't derp so if you can escape with bad laning in NA, in EU it's very hard to do. NiP, well, rofl. That's the case, when you have beast laning but your decisionmaking after laning = 0. Tabzz was speaking about it, saying that Nyph is just way better than mithy after laning. Nuke is still top-3 mid EU especially after Bjergsen and Alex departure, Freeze has skillz but can't use them in long run, k0u is a mechanical beast who will grow under Alex's vision, so i'm pretty sure that they will roll next split. And yes, i'm agreed on C9 point. Even though, when your adc/marksman is grown enough from playing only utility to hypercarries with aggressive positioning, it's signal for other teams that you have to be scared even more now. On May 10 2014 08:58 Zergneedsfood wrote: I don't mean like how they performed oo_wonderful_oo (can I just call you wonderful? xD). I meant like their overall strategy and drafting was completely different in their game versus C9. I wrote a post about it earlier too. edit: wait wtf I thought you were a probe like a month ago, wtf you dirty spammer Surfing teamliquid for 2 years without registering, have to farm fast to compensate. And yes, you can call me Wonderful, Znf. :D Ye, i agree, but still, it's not like: "Oh, look, OMG rolled LPL, they will fuck everyone on AllStars because SKT T1 are slumping and other are shit". | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
I meant like their overall strategy and drafting was completely different in their game versus C9. I wrote a post about it earlier too. edit: wait wtf I thought you were a probe like a month ago, wtf you dirty spammer | ||
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caelym
United States6421 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
I think, however, that GoGoing is not that terrible. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On May 10 2014 09:07 MattBarry wrote: NA may be on an upswing now but I feel like NA teams with exception of Cloud9 are applying band-aid solutions to serious problems. There's simply no reason for NAs talent to be so far behind EUs. We can't keep importing Europeans forever...I think. It's not like these Europeans are competing in the challenger scene either so our amateur talent isn't getting any better from it. I don't think NA talent is really that far behind. These have just been a few specific instances of top name teams importing top tier EU players. There are talented players in NA, but it's easier to bring in an EU guy if you have the money. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 10 2014 09:19 onlywonderboy wrote: I don't think NA talent is really that far behind. These have just been a few specific instances of top name teams importing top tier EU players. There are talented players in NA, but it's easier to bring in an EU guy if you have the money. Easier? Doesn't that just mean NA doesn't have talent if you're opting to import from EU (actually costing you more)? | ||
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