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On April 17 2014 03:29 fantasticoranges wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:27 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:22 Swords wrote:On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt. Its no ones fault but there own. It's like if you have a race and saying "instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race" If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this. Actually it's not like that at all lol Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute. Every team in both LCSs have been able to follow this rule all year. Even if Riot could make it more efficient, and maybe they will in the future (they could even be working on it now), it's still entirely on Alliance to not fuck up. Both of these statements are true, but completely beside the point. The point is that riot should be professional enough to not need this ARBITRARY rule, if the rule has been in place all year then that means they've had at least that long to make a change to the client. This is silly. I think this is the first time we've ever had this discussion ever. I think Riot made that rule, everyone remembered it, they figured it was no problem, and just didn't bother changing the client because why even bother. Please. Every single LCS team knows about the 20 second rule, they have a full 40 seconds + the entire pick phase to discuss swaps, teams losing bans for it is rarely an issue, and even if it was, I think teams would much prefer the ability to swap at the cost of a ban, rather than not being able to swap at all.
I mean, I understand his point. He wants a 20 second phase of swapping, followed by a 20 second phase of rune/mastery adjusting. This is not a bad idea.
The only thing is I have no idea how hard that is to code in, and since every team is able to follow the "arbitrary" rules it'd be better for Riot to focus their time on fixing shit like the Shen ult cancel bug or the Aatrox bug that have caused much larger problems in important games than missing one ban because you couldn't follow the rules.
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On April 17 2014 03:31 Amarant1995 wrote:
sOAZ outclassed Wickd so fking hard but he did cheese him kinda with odd picks,
Not the first time this has happened.
Hue.
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Its getting boring seeing c9+fnatic in all stars. Eu/Na always have the same winners in play-offs that it will hurt them so much. There is literally only 1-2 teams that is competition with those two. Ozone will probaly spring split and skt/omg will win all stars, boring and predictable. Im not watching lcs anymore.
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On April 17 2014 03:33 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:29 fantasticoranges wrote:On April 17 2014 03:27 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:22 Swords wrote:On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt. Its no ones fault but there own. It's like if you have a race and saying "instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race" If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this. Actually it's not like that at all lol Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute. Every team in both LCSs have been able to follow this rule all year. Even if Riot could make it more efficient, and maybe they will in the future (they could even be working on it now), it's still entirely on Alliance to not fuck up. Both of these statements are true, but completely beside the point. The point is that riot should be professional enough to not need this ARBITRARY rule, if the rule has been in place all year then that means they've had at least that long to make a change to the client. This is silly. I think this is the first time we've ever had this discussion ever. I think Riot made that rule, everyone remembered it, they figured it was no problem, and just didn't bother changing the client because why even bother. Please. Every single LCS team knows about the 20 second rule, they have a full 40 seconds + the entire pick phase to discuss swaps, teams losing bans for it is rarely an issue, and even if it was, I think teams would much prefer the ability to swap at the cost of a ban, rather than not being able to swap at all. I mean, I understand his point. He wants a 20 second phase of swapping, followed by a 20 second phase of rune/mastery adjusting. This is not a bad idea. The only thing is I have no idea how hard that is to code in, and since every team is able to follow the "arbitrary" rules it'd be better for Riot to focus their time on fixing shit like the Shen ult cancel bug or the Aatrox bug that have caused much larger problems in important games than missing one ban because you couldn't follow the rules.
once they add a feature like that it opens the floodgates for future tournament only adjustments, aka no excuse not to just go for some full blown Captians Mode Clone (having to mimic the live client is the reason they've given the last 2 years for not upgrading)
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On April 17 2014 03:32 Slusher wrote:
Just an FYI the 20 second rule is something Riot took from OGN because the rule made so much sense, no idea why people are so butthurt about it lol
"people", it's literally only 1 person.
On April 17 2014 03:35 skykh wrote:
Its getting boring seeing c9+fnatic in all stars. Eu/Na always have the same winners in play-offs that it will hurt them so much. There is literally only 1-2 teams that is competition with those two. Ozone will probaly spring split and skt/omg will win all stars, boring and predictable. Im not watching lcs anymore.
it's always been fucking obvious that OGN is the only tournament with highest level of play. if this was always an issue for you, you never should have watched any of the lcs in the first place.
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people getting butthurt over ban taken away while actually they just trying to subconsciously trying to blame someone for ALL loss.
Why? This isn't the first time this happened on NA or EU, yet no one complained before. This is a established rule in the OGN. No one complained there either.
Srsly get a grip on yourselves, plus the nidalee wasnt the crucial factor in the win in game 3. All sidelines crumbled without any jungle pressure is more why they lost than anything else.
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On April 17 2014 03:29 fantasticoranges wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:27 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:22 Swords wrote:On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt. Its no ones fault but there own. It's like if you have a race and saying "instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race" If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this. Actually it's not like that at all lol Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute. Every team in both LCSs have been able to follow this rule all year. Even if Riot could make it more efficient, and maybe they will in the future (they could even be working on it now), it's still entirely on Alliance to not fuck up. Both of these statements are true, but completely beside the point. The point is that riot should be professional enough to not need this ARBITRARY rule, if the rule has been in place all year then that means they've had at least that long to make a change to the client. This is silly. I think this is the first time we've ever had this discussion ever. I think Riot made that rule, everyone remembered it, they figured it was no problem, and just didn't bother changing the client because why even bother. Please. Every single LCS team knows about the 20 second rule, they have a full 40 seconds + the entire pick phase to discuss swaps, teams losing bans for it is rarely an issue, and even if it was, I think teams would much prefer the ability to swap at the cost of a ban, rather than not being able to swap at all.
Why even bother? because instead of them taking the responsibility and fixing the client themselves they put the responsibility onto the players for no reason other than their refusal to change the client.
By having this rules there is ONLY the possibility of a bad situation happening, if everyone abides by the rule, then everything is fine, business as usual, but if the rule is broken and someone loses a ban, then now we have a shitty situation for no reason other than because riot is being lazy.
Why should the players have to deal with remembering one other thing when they are focused on practicing and remembering game plans and all of these things, why would you add on one more thing for them to remember when you could just fix the problem at its root?
edit: for those saying to stop blaming riot, i dont care that Alliance lost, I am not a fan of any EU teams i dont care. The rule is just pointless and I don't like pointless rules
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Go ROCCAT ! To the Finals !
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On April 17 2014 03:39 739 wrote:
Go ROCCAT ! To the Finals !
Thooorin also wants them to win haha xD
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SK's waveclear is weak, but if they get ahead it'll be pretty brutal for Roc.
uhhhh, Roccat's waveclear is gunna be pretty slow. I prefer SK's comp.
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Akali... hmm, thats intresting , if she gets 1 or 2 kills its pretty much snowball from there, but there is the Kayle for SK so she might prevent people from blowing up
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I don't have high hopes for Roccat even though I'd like to see them win - they only beat SK once all season and couldn't win at the beginning of the year before SK had figured out how to play with each other.
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Whoa is this the overpow of old that doesn't just farm! Dam ROC may just be back
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Definitely rooting for SK because everybody is against them lol. Also nRated ftw.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On April 17 2014 03:39 Swagasaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:29 fantasticoranges wrote:On April 17 2014 03:27 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:22 Swords wrote:On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt. Its no ones fault but there own. It's like if you have a race and saying "instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race" If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this. Actually it's not like that at all lol Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute. Every team in both LCSs have been able to follow this rule all year. Even if Riot could make it more efficient, and maybe they will in the future (they could even be working on it now), it's still entirely on Alliance to not fuck up. Both of these statements are true, but completely beside the point. The point is that riot should be professional enough to not need this ARBITRARY rule, if the rule has been in place all year then that means they've had at least that long to make a change to the client. This is silly. I think this is the first time we've ever had this discussion ever. I think Riot made that rule, everyone remembered it, they figured it was no problem, and just didn't bother changing the client because why even bother. Please. Every single LCS team knows about the 20 second rule, they have a full 40 seconds + the entire pick phase to discuss swaps, teams losing bans for it is rarely an issue, and even if it was, I think teams would much prefer the ability to swap at the cost of a ban, rather than not being able to swap at all. Why even bother? because instead of them taking the responsibility and fixing the client themselves they put the responsibility onto the players for no reason other than their refusal to change the client. By having this rules there is ONLY the possibility of a bad situation happening, if everyone abides by the rule, then everything is fine, business as usual, but if the rule is broken and someone loses a ban, then now we have a shitty situation for no reason other than because riot is being lazy. Why should the players have to deal with remembering one other thing when they are focused on practicing and remembering game plans and all of these things, why would you add on one more thing for them to remember when you could just fix the problem at its root? edit: for those saying to stop blaming riot, i dont care that Alliance lost, I am not a fan of any EU teams i dont care. The rule is just pointless and I don't like pointless rules
There are these kinds of rules in every sport. Official starting lineups have to be set before a certain (arbitrary) time before the game starts and if you want to make changes, you're charged a substitution. Just in this case the charged sub = a lost ban. It's more a matter of losing something for the next game rather than the current one.
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I believe Roccat are gimmicky team , playing crazy shit like akali morde talon and stuff... that wont get them far
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actually we see a lot of different champs at the moment.
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On April 17 2014 03:48 Redox wrote:
Definitely rooting for SK because everybody is against them lol. Also nRated ftw.
I'd like SK if their team wasn't heavily populated by ragey douches. I think CandyP and nRated are awesome, but I can't get past Jesiz being arrogant as fuck, and Sven/Fredy being duoqueue ragers who team up on people when they don't play well.
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how the fuck do you die to akali pre 6? >.>
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