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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
April 16 2014 18:21 GMT
#661
froggen cant carry his team, report team 1v9
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 16 2014 18:22 GMT
#662
This is pretty simple really.

If you implement such a feature (20 seconds no trade) you need to test it. That takes up the QA's time and resources in addition to the development cost.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 16 2014 18:22 GMT
#663
On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule

Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt.
Its no ones fault but there own.


It's like if you have a race and saying

"instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race"

If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this.

Actually it's not like that at all lol


Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute.



Every team in both LCSs have been able to follow this rule all year.

Even if Riot could make it more efficient, and maybe they will in the future (they could even be working on it now), it's still entirely on Alliance to not fuck up.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 16 2014 18:23 GMT
#664
On April 17 2014 03:20 Netto. wrote:
Well, rekkles better at carrying his team than froggen : D

rekkle's back isn't stronger, he just doesn't have to carry as much.
liftlift > tsm
ManBaker
Profile Joined September 2013
1943 Posts
April 16 2014 18:23 GMT
#665
On April 17 2014 03:16 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:13 TitusVI wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule


sry but this is stupid. in many sports are rules and there is no client to make things 100% sure. i doubt there are many things they have to keep in mind beside the game.


Actually that's not a very good line of thinking. The more "rules" you implement in the game itself the easier it is to both control and understand. That's why when Dota had items being banned the game itself was eventually changed to stop that from happening. Sports analogies are typically bad in these scenarios. If they could have every rule built into the field of play somehow I highly doubt they wouldn't do that. It's just not possible where as on the PC that is much easier to do.

Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:12 Numy wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:10 ManBaker wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule


So the fact that Riot doesn't have this rule implemented in the Client makes the actual rule "a very stupid rule" ?

How is that stupid?

You could be swapping a midlaner for a support 1 second before game launch without leaving the enemy team any counterplay or time to react


Huh, they have the whole game to react.

not enough time to set up right runes/masteries.


This is only true when one assumes that they will always face their "counter-part". This hasn't been true for league in a long time. So it's in no way a valid assumption to make. Seems more like a placeholder from when league was actually like that. A gentlemen's agreement.



No it's not, just give it up already.

1 second before start they could be swapping a shyvana for a jungle lee sin, a mid lulu for a mid soraka, AND change ignites on 2 players with 2 teleports.

All this while the enemy team has no time to react.
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
April 16 2014 18:23 GMT
#666
Nidalee did nothing, Alliance's problem was their top and bot lanes getting absolutely wrecked without any jungle interference.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
April 16 2014 18:24 GMT
#667
i hope fnatic wins it all, 3 time EU LCS champs and Diamond+Froggen can go to allstars :D
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
April 16 2014 18:24 GMT
#668
On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule

Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt.
Its no ones fault but there own.


It's like if you have a race and saying

"instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race"

If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this.

Actually it's not like that at all lol


Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute.


dude even in real life there are rules to follow stop blaming riot.
of course it would be an idea to make a mechanic in the client like that but rules are rules man.
do you think in soccer when a penalty shoot is made that the other 10 players are locked in their rooms to prevent that more then one makes the shoot?
Science>Mechanics
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 18:26:07
April 16 2014 18:24 GMT
#669
This isn't a shot at Froggen, I'm just not convinced Fizz is a competitive pick with the new heal and new exaust as they are on 4.5 He even secured the lane advantage Fizz should have against Nidalee and it didn't end up meaning shit.

not to mention Wild Growth which also ignores Seastone was already on the board as well.
Carrilord has arrived.
fantasticoranges
Profile Joined July 2011
1327 Posts
April 16 2014 18:24 GMT
#670
That's kinda cool actually.

I really don't care for fnatic, but having all 3 season winners at the same event would be pretty legit.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
April 16 2014 18:25 GMT
#671
There is a hope that SK can win whole thing.
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
April 16 2014 18:26 GMT
#672
On April 17 2014 03:24 Slusher wrote:
This isn't a shot at Froggen, I'm just not convinced Fizz is a competitive pick with the new heal and new exaust as they are on 4.5 He even secured the lane advantage Fizz should have against Nidalee and it didn't end up meaning shit.


It probably would have went better if his team didn't fall a part around him, but yes, going without a safe, wave-clearing midlaner is certainly a dangerous proposition in this meta.
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
April 16 2014 18:26 GMT
#673
On April 17 2014 03:24 Slusher wrote:
This isn't a shot at Froggen, I'm just not convinced Fizz is a competitive pick with the new heal and new exaust as they are on 4.5 He even secured the lane advantage Fizz should have against Nidalee and it didn't end up meaning shit.


I think that game made it very hard to tell because Alliance's top and bot lanes got completely dumpstered on their own so Froggen didn't really have a chance to make any plays on the map.

That being said I agree 4.5 is pretty shitty for assassins.
JMDj
Profile Joined September 2010
United States454 Posts
April 16 2014 18:27 GMT
#674
On April 17 2014 03:22 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule

Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt.
Its no ones fault but there own.


It's like if you have a race and saying

"instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race"

If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this.

Actually it's not like that at all lol


Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute.



Every team in both LCSs have been able to follow this rule all year.

Even if Riot could make it more efficient, and maybe they will in the future (they could even be working on it now), it's still entirely on Alliance to not fuck up.



Both of these statements are true, but completely beside the point. The point is that riot should be professional enough to not need this ARBITRARY rule, if the rule has been in place all year then that means they've had at least that long to make a change to the client.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-16 18:27:51
April 16 2014 18:27 GMT
#675
On April 17 2014 03:25 orzeu wrote:
There is a hope that SK can win whole thing.


This meta is good for Jesiz because assassins are weak and he excels on Ziggs/Nidalee/etc.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 16 2014 18:29 GMT
#676
On April 17 2014 03:23 ManBaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:16 Numy wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:13 TitusVI wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule


sry but this is stupid. in many sports are rules and there is no client to make things 100% sure. i doubt there are many things they have to keep in mind beside the game.


Actually that's not a very good line of thinking. The more "rules" you implement in the game itself the easier it is to both control and understand. That's why when Dota had items being banned the game itself was eventually changed to stop that from happening. Sports analogies are typically bad in these scenarios. If they could have every rule built into the field of play somehow I highly doubt they wouldn't do that. It's just not possible where as on the PC that is much easier to do.

On April 17 2014 03:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:12 Numy wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:10 ManBaker wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule


So the fact that Riot doesn't have this rule implemented in the Client makes the actual rule "a very stupid rule" ?

How is that stupid?

You could be swapping a midlaner for a support 1 second before game launch without leaving the enemy team any counterplay or time to react


Huh, they have the whole game to react.

not enough time to set up right runes/masteries.


This is only true when one assumes that they will always face their "counter-part". This hasn't been true for league in a long time. So it's in no way a valid assumption to make. Seems more like a placeholder from when league was actually like that. A gentlemen's agreement.



No it's not, just give it up already.

1 second before start they could be swapping a shyvana for a jungle lee sin, a mid lulu for a mid soraka, AND change ignites on 2 players with 2 teleports.

All this while the enemy team has no time to react.


I thought the enemy teams don't see summoners. Also don't see what your champ swapping example is meant to accomplish. This is after draft phase has been done. They already have champs selected so any reaction is going to happen in game after some information has been gathered regardless of who plays what on the enemy team.
fantasticoranges
Profile Joined July 2011
1327 Posts
April 16 2014 18:29 GMT
#677
On April 17 2014 03:27 Swagasaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:22 Swords wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:20 Swagasaurus wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:19 Neverhood wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:17 Swagasaurus wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:13 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 17 2014 03:08 Swagasaurus wrote:
so if riot doesn't want them to trade after 40 seconds why don't they change their own game client so that you can't trade after 40 seconds? just seems dumb to have such a crucial series be affected by a very stupid rule

Or you know teams could switch before the last second. They had 20 seconds to switch. They didnt.
Its no ones fault but there own.


It's like if you have a race and saying

"instead of starting immediately were all going to wait 20seconds after we blow the whistle, then everyone can begin the race"

If riot doesn't want them to trade with 20 seconds left it's their responsibility to change the client so that players can't do that, there is no reason other than laziness not to do this.

Actually it's not like that at all lol


Actually it's exactly like that, riot has full control over the format of their league and their game client. At least provide some explanation if you're going to dispute.



Every team in both LCSs have been able to follow this rule all year.

Even if Riot could make it more efficient, and maybe they will in the future (they could even be working on it now), it's still entirely on Alliance to not fuck up.



Both of these statements are true, but completely beside the point. The point is that riot should be professional enough to not need this ARBITRARY rule, if the rule has been in place all year then that means they've had at least that long to make a change to the client.



This is silly.
I think this is the first time we've ever had this discussion ever.

I think Riot made that rule, everyone remembered it, they figured it was no problem, and just didn't bother changing the client because why even bother.

Please. Every single LCS team knows about the 20 second rule, they have a full 40 seconds + the entire pick phase to discuss swaps, teams losing bans for it is rarely an issue, and even if it was, I think teams would much prefer the ability to swap at the cost of a ban, rather than not being able to swap at all.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
April 16 2014 18:30 GMT
#678
On April 17 2014 03:27 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 03:25 orzeu wrote:
There is a hope that SK can win whole thing.


This meta is good for Jesiz because assassins are weak and he excels on Ziggs/Nidalee/etc.

Yep and this patch is all about team play.
Amarant1995
Profile Joined August 2013
Croatia155 Posts
April 16 2014 18:31 GMT
#679
Where you at Thooorin , where you at mofo xD Everyone who counted Fnatic out doesnt know shit about them or EU LCS )) Cyanide stepping up ,
Rekkles playing like a beast like he always does(he is IMO top 5 adc in the world ),
sOAZ outclassed Wickd so fking hard but he did cheese him kinda with odd picks,
YellowStarr , what to say about this guy , top3 EU Support for sure ,
Peke looked shaky in 2nd game , especially on Zed where he didnt buy singe defensive item and didnt do pretty much anything since mid game .

Im confident to say that whoever Fnatic plays in the finals , Fnatic will beat them and win their 3 split in a row!!! :DD Fnatic Fighting!!! <3
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 16 2014 18:32 GMT
#680
Just an FYI the 20 second rule is something Riot took from OGN because the rule made so much sense, no idea why people are so butthurt about it lol
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