EPT[S3 Worlds] Semifinals - Page 4
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9190 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:15 overt wrote: EU and Sword fanboys are gonna hate but the most exciting finals would easily be SKT vs Royal imo. Faker vs Uzi, Korea vs China, and two very very different play styles. Not that Fnatic or Sword couldn't put up a good performance but I will be most happy by an SKT vs Royal finals (with Royal winning of course!). Eh, if OMG had won then everyone would say Faker vs Lovelin most exciting for the hype. For most viewers these storylines are created overnight. For Sword to beat SKT they'd have do something special and then their MVP from that set would have his own hypetrain instantly (Nagne pls). | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
By contrast I don't think I've ever heard people really hype up anyone from Sword's current line up nor have I heard players from Fnatic get similar praise (xPeke gets lots of praise but no one was calling him the best mid in the world). | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
I don't think people were calling uzi #1 ADC except for the people in the west who actively took an interest in the Chinese scene, lots of uzi hype came from him being a Chinese ADC which is auto hype thanks to dlift and the legacy of wexaio. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:30 overt wrote: Lots of people were saying Uzi #1 ADC and Faker #1 mid in the world before this tournament even started though... By contrast I don't think I've ever heard people really hype up anyone from Sword's current line up nor have I heard players from Fnatic get similar praise (xPeke gets lots of praise but no one was calling him the best mid in the world). I thought most people were arguing that Imp was the best ADC before the start of the tournament ? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:35 Fusilero wrote: Expession definitely got a bit of hype due to how highly the top laners of Korea spoke of him, same with pray/cain but otherwise sword did mostly come under the radar. I don't think people were calling uzi #1 ADC except for the people in the west who actively took an interest in the Chinese scene, lots of uzi hype came from him being a Chinese ADC which is auto hype thanks to dlift and the legacy of wexaio. I guess by "lots of people" I was mostly referring to people who actually watch LPL. Lots of Uzi hype right now because reddit got to actually see him play, sure, but people were calling him "best ADC in the world" back in S2 (or at least #2 behind Weixiao, and granted, no where near as often as in the latter half of S3). I mean, most of the Royal Club hype in early S3 was centered around the fact that Uzi was so good. I remember reading a comment on TL almost a year ago where someone complained that, "Uzi was the best ADC in the world but we'd never see him play on a global stage because his team sucks." | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:37 WhiteDog wrote: I thought most people were arguing that Imp was the best ADC before the start of the tournament ? I think after piglet's performances in OGN finals and Korea qualifiers piglet was the consensus best to the majority. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9190 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:36 Ghost-z wrote: The problem I see with double elimination tournaments comes with the final match, Upper bracket vs Lower bracket. Where the Upper bracket champion only has to win 1 Bo3 where as the Lower bracket champion must win 2 Bo3. This brings a possibilty that the Upper bracket champions could go 2-3 in the finals and still win the tournament. How about not giving an advantage to the Upper bracket team? I really dislike that practice and don't see why it's so stubbornly used all the time in double elim. For the losing team it's enough of a punishment to have to go through another hoop. | ||
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:45 Dan HH wrote: How about not giving an advantage to the Upper bracket team? I really dislike that practice and don't see why it's so stubbornly used all the time in double elim. For the losing team it's enough of a punishment to have to go through another hoop. They could just give the upper bracket team choice of side. Since Riot never wants to do blind pick, getting blue side first and having blue side for the 5th game is a big enough advantage as it is. Edit: As opposed to having the lower bracket team have to win 2 series or starting the upper team 1 game up in a series. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:38 overt wrote: I guess by "lots of people" I was mostly referring to people who actually watch LPL. Lots of Uzi hype right now because reddit got to actually see him play, sure, but people were calling him "best ADC in the world" back in S2 (or at least #2 behind Weixiao, and granted, no where near as often as in the latter half of S3). I mean, most of the Royal Club hype in early S3 was centered around the fact that Uzi was so good. I remember reading a comment on TL almost a year ago where someone complained that, "Uzi was the best ADC in the world but we'd never see him play on a global stage because his team sucks." Think it was (surprise surprise) Yango. But yeah IDK Uzi god tier ADC is common knowledge to anyone who watched a week's worth of LPL games. So basically no one  | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On September 26 2013 05:45 Dan HH wrote: How about not giving an advantage to the Upper bracket team? I really dislike that practice and don't see why it's so stubbornly used all the time in double elim. For the losing team it's enough of a punishment to have to go through another hoop. Or, if you're going to allow teams to get eliminated after a single series loss, you might as well just run a single-elimination tournament from the get-go. Yes, the losing team has to go through extra games in the loser's bracket but the winning team doesn't even get the opportunity to do this. It's really not fair at all. Overall, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the groups->single elim bracket format. The OSLs and MSLs have been run this way forever to great success. The mistake Riot made was seeding teams directly into the bracket stage, meaning they could get knocked out after playing only 2 games. If everyone went through groups I don't think people would be complaining about C9's early exit quite as much. It also lets you respond to complaints about Koreans being matched up with each other first with "They should have both gone 1st in their groups if they didn't want to play each other so early!" (since groups would, presumably, split up teams from the same region) Personal anecdote: I once participated in a tournament which was double-elim, cut to the top 8, eliminate everyone's losses, another double-elim for the top 8, with grand finals not giving any advantage to the winner's bracket player. A team that lost twice could still win the championship over a team that lost once. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On September 26 2013 06:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Unfortunately for us, Riot seems very very attached to the stupid format of seeding teams into the quarters z.z Ick and ew. I totally get why the want to protect the western (white) scene, but I don't really understand how they can consider C9&Bears playing 3&2 games all tournament a success. It would be easy to build a 16-team group stage that coddled a weaker team or two enough to make their advancing expected. But I should stop kicking Seabiscut. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
4 seeded into winners quarters. Assume 16 total teams, 2 groups of 6. top 2 from each group are into winners bracket to face the seeds(drawn or otherwise). 3/4 from each group go into losers to await their opponents(seeded so they face 4/1 and 3/2 from other group) Standard double elim til finals. Finals is just 1 Bo5, because goal is to have the two strongest teams face off. | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
Most of Chinese community are WE Fans.(65% based on Allstar vote)Because 'Royal Club' just sounds silly in Chinese culture, most people don't like them or even hate them. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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seRapH
United States9801 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 26 2013 06:34 Nos- wrote: It sounds arrogant is why I would argue that World Elite sounds just as arrogant. Then again WE and Royal Club could be perceived completely different in Chinese from how they are in English. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 26 2013 06:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Unfortunately for us, Riot seems very very attached to the stupid format of seeding teams into the quarters z.z The rationale was that this format would allow western teams exposure past groups. It makes since if you assume NA/EU are so weak that they will never beat Korean/Chinese teams a la Starcraft's legacy. This mindset is clearly not based in fact anymore, if it ever was at all, and is very evident based on how NA/EU has played/is playing at Worlds. A Rioter already said they'd be "tweaking" the format for next year on Reddit. Although personally I think the format needs a big overhaul rather than just "tweaks." | ||
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