• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:12
CEST 07:12
KST 14:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun11[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists21[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [ASL21] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2389 users

[S3 Worlds] Group Stage - Page 421

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 419 420 421 422 423 868 Next
Unsure about who to support or want to know more? Check out the TeamLiquid Worlds Primer!
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 18 2013 07:39 GMT
#8401
On September 18 2013 16:32 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:24 oneofthem wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 Mondeezy wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 ReketSomething wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


Reginald was such a pansy in every fight. He was pretty much always at full HP after everyone died. Compare this to Fakers game against OMG faker was inches from death every fight.


Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He would be out of position, chuck an ult, hit one person, belly flop into a bush and recall. Sure, he didn't die, but he literally had no impact in the teamfights.


You people. I swear you guys don't play gragas. You want him to, what, Bellyflop into the teamfight that his team is losing in hopes of.... what exactly? As gragas you use your ult to disengage or split the enemy team and pick them apart. Once your ult is down, your long CD's on Q and the fact that E puts you and risk means you're essentially waiting for cd's. Rushing in to melee w/ your W up can deal some damage, but not enough to actually make an impact before you get blown up for sacrificing yourself for no reason.

check out faker's gragas vs omg.


Different games, different situations... I'm not saying Reginald played great or anything. However, in most of the teamfights he did what he could do under the circumstances.

he wasn't in position to do anything in some fo the fights. so i guess he zoned himself out lol


Positioning was a problem for a lot of TSM during those fights when thing started to go wrong. You can't single Reginald out for not being where the rest of his team wasn't either. That's a team problem; not a Reginald is playing like dog-shit problem. He might've been able to convert a kill and escape after that fight midlane that he had originally ulted Renek. However, that's far from a sure thing.

The only major mistake I can recall seeing Regi make was the scramble in their top-side jungle when he Bellslammed -> ulted just as lee sin either ward jumped or hopped w/ a Q so his E landed but his ult missed completely which resulted in Dyrus (maybe TOO?) dying.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 18 2013 07:41 GMT
#8402
On September 18 2013 16:38 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:35 Flakes wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.

Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in).

Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets.
Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM


Actually, I think Faker knew he would be the main focus every fight so he was pretty much playing the decoy. Once he was in range, TSM threw everything they had to kill him (even flashing forward) so he just got his damage out and died while piglet, impact cleaned up.

I definitely agree. One of the best things about Faker and SKT compared to their debut earlier this year is that they're comfortable giving someone other than Faker the spotlight. SKT recognized that TSM would want to kill and focus Faker. Basically every fight Piglet was unmolested while Wildturtle would literally Valkyrie into the entire SKT team just to finish off Faker.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 18 2013 07:41 GMT
#8403
Ugh, Riot, why is Thursday group B? We already had a group B back to back, why not group A? T_T
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 18 2013 07:41 GMT
#8404
I was really surprised Impact stayed at his tower. I think he assumed he was tanky enough at level 2 to survive a 3 man dive but that's kind of silly tbh. I don't think he didn't know they were gonna do it either.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
September 18 2013 07:42 GMT
#8405
Rumble was such a bad pick. I'm surprised that TSM didn't try to pick Kennen after seeing SKT picking first 3 pick Rekneton and Ahri.
Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
September 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#8406
On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??

xD


I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#8407
Gragas + rumble has a weird synergy. Ori would have been better for tsm imo but then we can assume that faker would have killed regi 1v1 a few times
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 07:46:09
September 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#8408
On September 18 2013 16:38 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:35 Flakes wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.

Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in).

Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets.
Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM


Actually, I think Faker knew he would be the main focus every fight so he was pretty much playing the decoy. Once he was in range, TSM threw everything they had to kill him (even flashing forward) so he just got his damage out and died while piglet, impact cleaned up.

There were a couple of fights in which Regi ulted Renekton into the TSM lineup and separated him from the rest of SKT.

The issue was that what would otherwise be a good pick if Dyrus wasn't so behind/Impact so ahead, Impact was able to survive the pick, or acted as enough of a meat tank that the rest of SKT, specifically Piglet, could clean up.

Most of the flash ins were after the fights were already decided, I think (WT after the dragon bush facecheck). The only other one was the last fight, but Piglet was definitely out of range for WT to go in on.

On September 18 2013 16:33 Iblis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.

Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in).


Faker was hugely impactful in the midgame teamfights, just go back on it and watch just how much damage he dealt to TSM and how much damage he soaked for his team, yeah he died sometimes but he carried more than his weight in early-midgame teamfight.

I'll go back to look, but most of the damage on the most important TSM targets was from Impact/Piglet.

The most I remember was him chunking (but not killing?) Xpecial, but I'll go back again. TSM did well enough to shut down his damage output. But really, I don't want to quibble about this.

Overall, TSM did about as well as I expected to (i.e. not get roflstomped as people might've believed). Regi didn't play bad, nor did he have the most exceptional play (he lost, so I can stay aboard the Regi hate train tho). The lane swap really hurt Dyrus.

If either Corki got the kill on Renekton in the 3v1, or Oddone had flashed for the cocoon on Faker in the midlane for the kill, we may have seen the game turn out differently. As is, I'm content that NA is at least competitive against the supposedly gdlke KR.

On September 18 2013 16:43 Iceman331 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??

xD


I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution.

We'll see if the trend of teams in the WC underperforming continues. However, if they continue their crisp level of midgame execution into the WC, they have a very good shot I feel.

C9 I believeeeeee~
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#8409
On September 18 2013 16:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I was really surprised Impact stayed at his tower. I think he assumed he was tanky enough at level 2 to survive a 3 man dive but that's kind of silly tbh. I don't think he didn't know they were gonna do it either.

Like the Monte said, SKT formed after the 3v1 dives left popular strategy. They never had to learn to play around it, so they don't know how to yet.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#8410
On September 18 2013 16:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:38 vthree wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:35 Flakes wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.

Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in).

Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets.
Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM


Actually, I think Faker knew he would be the main focus every fight so he was pretty much playing the decoy. Once he was in range, TSM threw everything they had to kill him (even flashing forward) so he just got his damage out and died while piglet, impact cleaned up.

I definitely agree. One of the best things about Faker and SKT compared to their debut earlier this year is that they're comfortable giving someone other than Faker the spotlight. SKT recognized that TSM would want to kill and focus Faker. Basically every fight Piglet was unmolested while Wildturtle would literally Valkyrie into the entire SKT team just to finish off Faker.

If people watched SKT's games instead of highlights they'd realize that the rest of the team is capable of carrying hard as hell. Piglet had over 9.0 KDA in summer compared to the 4.9 of faker. Faker typically dominates his lane so he's recognized a lot.

Also faker died a few times but every time it'd be wildturtle going into a situation where he'd die 100%. It was a pretty desperate maneuver to kill someone who already unleashed their DFG + ultimate.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 18 2013 07:44 GMT
#8411
On September 18 2013 16:43 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I was really surprised Impact stayed at his tower. I think he assumed he was tanky enough at level 2 to survive a 3 man dive but that's kind of silly tbh. I don't think he didn't know they were gonna do it either.

Like the Monte said, SKT formed after the 3v1 dives left popular strategy. They never had to learn to play around it, so they don't know how to yet.

It still surprises me because Impact died to it to OMG and that was pretty much the biggest reason they ended up losing that game. Also you're up against an Elise who is king of turret diving.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 18 2013 07:44 GMT
#8412
On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.

This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless.


I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well.


On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.


Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly.


It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there.


That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments.

Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick.

Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp.

You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times.


Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized.

Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times."
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 18 2013 07:46 GMT
#8413
On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.

This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless.


I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well.


On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.


Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly.


It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there.


That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments.

Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick.

Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp.

You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times.


Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized.

Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times."

Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 18 2013 07:48 GMT
#8414
On September 18 2013 16:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.

This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless.


I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well.


On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.


Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly.


It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there.


That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments.

Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick.

Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp.

You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times.


Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized.

Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times."

Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate.


His ult that hit Renekton into his group was also a very good one. TSM just lacked a little damage to properly finish Impact up and as such ended up losing that teamfight 4-2.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 07:50:40
September 18 2013 07:50 GMT
#8415
On September 18 2013 16:48 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.

This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless.


I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well.


On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.


Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly.


It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there.


That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments.

Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick.

Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp.

You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times.


Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized.

Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times."

Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate.


His ult that hit Renekton into his group was also a very good one. TSM just lacked a little damage to properly finish Impact up and as such ended up losing that teamfight 4-2.

Yep, it was a good pick, but Impact was too far ahead after the Bengi camp for TSM to do what they needed to do, and instead you had an interior crocodile alligator driving a chevrolet movie theater in the middle of the team.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
September 18 2013 07:52 GMT
#8416
On September 18 2013 16:28 Navi wrote:
impact (on impressions of meeting reginaldo in person)
"i get the feeling that he's qt"

Also: what the hell does that mean lol.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 18 2013 07:53 GMT
#8417


Drunk Scarra too good.
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 08:01:59
September 18 2013 07:56 GMT
#8418
On September 18 2013 16:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.

This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless.


I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well.


On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:
On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though.


That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all.


For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more.


Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly.


It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there.


That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments.

Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick.

Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp.

You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times.


Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized.

Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times."

Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate.


http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/b/463013624
5:51:30~
That Gragas ult hit multiple people, yes but it wasn't great, Pooh did flash ult just after it because he saw an opportunity (that may have been a mistake knowing he would die) and that Zyra ult hit most of TSM. What kept TSM alive long enough to trade 2 for 1 and get away was Dyrus Ult that was between Piglet and Faker that slowed them, when Piglet got back in range he had the Dragon on him, giving him the debuff that destroyed his damage output and probably saved a couple of lives on TSM.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 18 2013 07:59 GMT
#8419
After watching that skt game. I'm hyped for c9. NA not that far behind.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 18 2013 08:01 GMT
#8420
On September 18 2013 16:43 Iceman331 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??

xD


I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution.


Some serious fanboy going on. The gap between regions may not be as large as expected(and much of this is due to Ozone), but I have no idea where you're getting 'miles ahead' from.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Prev 1 419 420 421 422 423 868 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 143
ProTech123
Nina 111
StarCraft: Brood War
Mind 876
Pusan 63
Bale 17
ZergMaN 15
Icarus 6
Dota 2
monkeys_forever698
NeuroSwarm249
League of Legends
JimRising 733
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1156
Other Games
summit1g7191
C9.Mang0553
WinterStarcraft441
ViBE16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick614
BasetradeTV191
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream98
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1093
• Stunt370
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 48m
Escore
4h 48m
INu's Battles
5h 48m
Classic vs ByuN
SHIN vs ByuN
OSC
7h 48m
Big Brain Bouts
10h 48m
Replay Cast
18h 48m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 4h
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
1d 5h
IPSL
1d 10h
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
5 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
6 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-29
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.