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On September 18 2013 16:32 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:24 oneofthem wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 Mondeezy wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 ReketSomething wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. Reginald was such a pansy in every fight. He was pretty much always at full HP after everyone died. Compare this to Fakers game against OMG faker was inches from death every fight. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He would be out of position, chuck an ult, hit one person, belly flop into a bush and recall. Sure, he didn't die, but he literally had no impact in the teamfights. You people. I swear you guys don't play gragas. You want him to, what, Bellyflop into the teamfight that his team is losing in hopes of.... what exactly? As gragas you use your ult to disengage or split the enemy team and pick them apart. Once your ult is down, your long CD's on Q and the fact that E puts you and risk means you're essentially waiting for cd's. Rushing in to melee w/ your W up can deal some damage, but not enough to actually make an impact before you get blown up for sacrificing yourself for no reason. check out faker's gragas vs omg. Different games, different situations... I'm not saying Reginald played great or anything. However, in most of the teamfights he did what he could do under the circumstances. he wasn't in position to do anything in some fo the fights. so i guess he zoned himself out lol
Positioning was a problem for a lot of TSM during those fights when thing started to go wrong. You can't single Reginald out for not being where the rest of his team wasn't either. That's a team problem; not a Reginald is playing like dog-shit problem. He might've been able to convert a kill and escape after that fight midlane that he had originally ulted Renek. However, that's far from a sure thing.
The only major mistake I can recall seeing Regi make was the scramble in their top-side jungle when he Bellslammed -> ulted just as lee sin either ward jumped or hopped w/ a Q so his E landed but his ult missed completely which resulted in Dyrus (maybe TOO?) dying.
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On September 18 2013 16:38 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:35 Flakes wrote:On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in). Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets. Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM Actually, I think Faker knew he would be the main focus every fight so he was pretty much playing the decoy. Once he was in range, TSM threw everything they had to kill him (even flashing forward) so he just got his damage out and died while piglet, impact cleaned up.
I definitely agree. One of the best things about Faker and SKT compared to their debut earlier this year is that they're comfortable giving someone other than Faker the spotlight. SKT recognized that TSM would want to kill and focus Faker. Basically every fight Piglet was unmolested while Wildturtle would literally Valkyrie into the entire SKT team just to finish off Faker.
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Ugh, Riot, why is Thursday group B? We already had a group B back to back, why not group A? T_T
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I was really surprised Impact stayed at his tower. I think he assumed he was tanky enough at level 2 to survive a 3 man dive but that's kind of silly tbh. I don't think he didn't know they were gonna do it either.
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Rumble was such a bad pick. I'm surprised that TSM didn't try to pick Kennen after seeing SKT picking first 3 pick Rekneton and Ahri.
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On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD
I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution.
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Gragas + rumble has a weird synergy. Ori would have been better for tsm imo but then we can assume that faker would have killed regi 1v1 a few times
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On September 18 2013 16:38 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:35 Flakes wrote:On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in). Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets. Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM Actually, I think Faker knew he would be the main focus every fight so he was pretty much playing the decoy. Once he was in range, TSM threw everything they had to kill him (even flashing forward) so he just got his damage out and died while piglet, impact cleaned up.
There were a couple of fights in which Regi ulted Renekton into the TSM lineup and separated him from the rest of SKT.
The issue was that what would otherwise be a good pick if Dyrus wasn't so behind/Impact so ahead, Impact was able to survive the pick, or acted as enough of a meat tank that the rest of SKT, specifically Piglet, could clean up.
Most of the flash ins were after the fights were already decided, I think (WT after the dragon bush facecheck). The only other one was the last fight, but Piglet was definitely out of range for WT to go in on.
On September 18 2013 16:33 Iblis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in). Faker was hugely impactful in the midgame teamfights, just go back on it and watch just how much damage he dealt to TSM and how much damage he soaked for his team, yeah he died sometimes but he carried more than his weight in early-midgame teamfight.
I'll go back to look, but most of the damage on the most important TSM targets was from Impact/Piglet.
The most I remember was him chunking (but not killing?) Xpecial, but I'll go back again. TSM did well enough to shut down his damage output. But really, I don't want to quibble about this.
Overall, TSM did about as well as I expected to (i.e. not get roflstomped as people might've believed). Regi didn't play bad, nor did he have the most exceptional play (he lost, so I can stay aboard the Regi hate train tho). The lane swap really hurt Dyrus.
If either Corki got the kill on Renekton in the 3v1, or Oddone had flashed for the cocoon on Faker in the midlane for the kill, we may have seen the game turn out differently. As is, I'm content that NA is at least competitive against the supposedly gdlke KR.
On September 18 2013 16:43 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution.
We'll see if the trend of teams in the WC underperforming continues. However, if they continue their crisp level of midgame execution into the WC, they have a very good shot I feel.
C9 I believeeeeee~
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On September 18 2013 16:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I was really surprised Impact stayed at his tower. I think he assumed he was tanky enough at level 2 to survive a 3 man dive but that's kind of silly tbh. I don't think he didn't know they were gonna do it either.
Like the Monte said, SKT formed after the 3v1 dives left popular strategy. They never had to learn to play around it, so they don't know how to yet.
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On September 18 2013 16:41 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:38 vthree wrote:On September 18 2013 16:35 Flakes wrote:On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in). Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets. Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM Actually, I think Faker knew he would be the main focus every fight so he was pretty much playing the decoy. Once he was in range, TSM threw everything they had to kill him (even flashing forward) so he just got his damage out and died while piglet, impact cleaned up. I definitely agree. One of the best things about Faker and SKT compared to their debut earlier this year is that they're comfortable giving someone other than Faker the spotlight. SKT recognized that TSM would want to kill and focus Faker. Basically every fight Piglet was unmolested while Wildturtle would literally Valkyrie into the entire SKT team just to finish off Faker.
If people watched SKT's games instead of highlights they'd realize that the rest of the team is capable of carrying hard as hell. Piglet had over 9.0 KDA in summer compared to the 4.9 of faker. Faker typically dominates his lane so he's recognized a lot.
Also faker died a few times but every time it'd be wildturtle going into a situation where he'd die 100%. It was a pretty desperate maneuver to kill someone who already unleashed their DFG + ultimate.
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On September 18 2013 16:43 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I was really surprised Impact stayed at his tower. I think he assumed he was tanky enough at level 2 to survive a 3 man dive but that's kind of silly tbh. I don't think he didn't know they were gonna do it either. Like the Monte said, SKT formed after the 3v1 dives left popular strategy. They never had to learn to play around it, so they don't know how to yet.
It still surprises me because Impact died to it to OMG and that was pretty much the biggest reason they ended up losing that game. Also you're up against an Elise who is king of turret diving.
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On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well. On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments. Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick. Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp. You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times.
Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized.
Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times."
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On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well. On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments. Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick. Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp. You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times. Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized. Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times."
Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate.
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On September 18 2013 16:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well. On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments. Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick. Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp. You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times. Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized. Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times." Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate.
His ult that hit Renekton into his group was also a very good one. TSM just lacked a little damage to properly finish Impact up and as such ended up losing that teamfight 4-2.
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On September 18 2013 16:48 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well. On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments. Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick. Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp. You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times. Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized. Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times." Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate. His ult that hit Renekton into his group was also a very good one. TSM just lacked a little damage to properly finish Impact up and as such ended up losing that teamfight 4-2.
Yep, it was a good pick, but Impact was too far ahead after the Bengi camp for TSM to do what they needed to do, and instead you had an interior crocodile alligator driving a chevrolet movie theater in the middle of the team.
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On September 18 2013 16:28 Navi wrote:
impact (on impressions of meeting reginaldo in person)
"i get the feeling that he's qt"
Also: what the hell does that mean lol. 
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On September 18 2013 16:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:37 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well. On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments. Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick. Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp. You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times. Regi's impact on the game was next to Nil because they were never in a position to properly use Gragas to his full potential. While that is in part to TSM's failing it has more to do with SKT's proper control over the map. Gragas wants to siege and have vision on the enemy team to use his ult for maximum advantage/damage and then get an easy team fight clean up because of it. SKT never really allowed for a fight like that to happen so what Gragas is best at was essentially never able to be utilized. Also, you're exaggerating. I'm willing to believe that the scenario you laid out might've happened once. However, having, you know, just watched the game I'd eat my hat if that happened "2~3 times." Regi's ult that first dragon fight was the only reason they stayed in that game and won that fight. It hit a ton of people, chunked zyra, and made it so no one could follow her up on her ultimate.
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/b/463013624
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That Gragas ult hit multiple people, yes but it wasn't great, Pooh did flash ult just after it because he saw an opportunity (that may have been a mistake knowing he would die) and that Zyra ult hit most of TSM. What kept TSM alive long enough to trade 2 for 1 and get away was Dyrus Ult that was between Piglet and Faker that slowed them, when Piglet got back in range he had the Dragon on him, giving him the debuff that destroyed his damage output and probably saved a couple of lives on TSM.
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After watching that skt game. I'm hyped for c9. NA not that far behind.
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On September 18 2013 16:43 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD I don't see C9 dropping a BoX series to any team I have watched so far. They are miles ahead in terms of clean execution.
Some serious fanboy going on. The gap between regions may not be as large as expected(and much of this is due to Ozone), but I have no idea where you're getting 'miles ahead' from.
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