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nikuniku
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote: For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:21 Mondeezy wrote: Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He would be out of position, chuck an ult, hit one person, belly flop into a bush and recall. Sure, he didn't die, but he literally had no impact in the teamfights. You people. I swear you guys don't play gragas. You want him to, what, Bellyflop into the teamfight that his team is losing in hopes of.... what exactly? As gragas you use your ult to disengage or split the enemy team and pick them apart. Once your ult is down, your long CD's on Q and the fact that E puts you and risk means you're essentially waiting for cd's. Rushing in to melee w/ your W up can deal some damage, but not enough to actually make an impact before you get blown up for sacrificing yourself for no reason. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:21 Mondeezy wrote: Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He would be out of position, chuck an ult, hit one person, belly flop into a bush and recall. Sure, he didn't die, but he literally had no impact in the teamfights. His ult around the first dragon fight worked out well even if it wasn't technically the best. It hit 3 people and they ended up trading 2 for 1. They really needed more than just that though, trading 2v1 without getting anything else wasn't that decisive of a team fight. Even Vulcun could probably win an early fight vs SKT, it's about properly snowballing if you want to actually win and not just "do well", which no one can say TSM didn't do that game. They played alright. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:22 las91 wrote: I would argue it's focus and keeping voice chat clean so calls can be made clearly. nah it was casual. Korean voicechat is not much different than NA/EU | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:17 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I, for one, am not sure if I'm unimpressed by SKT's performance or impressed by TSM. Given all of the fail in that game from TSM in important moments I guess C9's stock continues to rise in my mind. Regi, when on form, has always been an international level player. I wouldn't say he's on form right now, but you can still see that he has stepped up his game a bit. I feel like SKT was pulling all their punches to not throw, since their lead was moderate for a majority of the game, unless they felt it was a guaranteed thing and only KR's disrespect of Corki threw a monkey wrench in that. On September 18 2013 16:17 cascades wrote: 960? Watch again. Stop feeding misinformation. There was 1 Dragon at the time. Dragon gives 190 a person. That's 950. Even with my mental math being off due to sleep deprivation, that only puts the arguement more in my favor. IF there was a second dragon at the time, it'd still be sub3k to sub2k. For the turrets to make up for the dragons, TSM would have needed to be up 3-0 on dragon at that point. I only recall 3 dragons being taken THE ENTIRE GAME. Shut up and sit down. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You people. I swear you guys don't play gragas. You want him to, what, Bellyflop into the teamfight that his team is losing in hopes of.... what exactly? As gragas you use your ult to disengage or split the enemy team and pick them apart. Once your ult is down, your long CD's on Q and the fact that E puts you and risk means you're essentially waiting for cd's. Rushing in to melee w/ your W up can deal some damage, but not enough to actually make an impact before you get blown up for sacrificing yourself for no reason. check out faker's gragas vs omg. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You don't play aggressive against Ahri as Gragas. You can't secure kills post 6 without significant jungle help, which he obviously didn't get. Hate on Reginald for his attitude, not for how he chose to play against an Ahri as Gragas. Running away from teamfight has nothing to do with lane. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote: For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9254 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:20 I_Love_Bacon wrote: You don't play aggressive against Ahri as Gragas. You can't secure kills post 6 without significant jungle help, which he obviously didn't get. Hate on Reginald for his attitude, not for how he chose to play against an Ahri as Gragas. Don't put the cart before the horses, he specifically picked Gragas to not get destroyed. He didn't pick Gragas to win, he picked him to not lose too hard, which is smart considering how much shit he would have gotten if Faker made him look like a fool. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote: This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well(but at least they banned Renekton in preparation with that game) On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:25 Thinasy wrote: I have to disagree with Krepo here. The CS lead in the start was pretty big lol They closed it up quickly. Regi tied Faker a bit later on (both had 40), and Corki actually got ahead of Cait after a few bot fights. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Different games, different situations... I'm not saying Reginald played great or anything. However, in most of the teamfights he did what he could do under the circumstances. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:23 Chexx wrote: nah it was casual. Korean voicechat is not much different than NA/EU Still it always bugs me when people shout during the cleanup period of a teamfight (Zuna) it's like okay, either they'll get away or they won't, what's important is what objective you're going for after the fight's over | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
"i get the feeling that he's qt" | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote: I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 18 2013 16:28 TheLink wrote: Love the emphasis Doublelift and Krepo are putting on the bottom lane fail rather than the usual Regi/Dyrus hate. Xpecial draws nowhere near his fair share of criticism. He also rarely draws his fair share of praise. I feel that, as a support, if nobody ever mentions your name, you did your job. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in). | ||
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