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On September 18 2013 16:28 TheLink wrote:
Love the emphasis Doublelift and Krepo are putting on the bottom lane fail rather than the usual Regi/Dyrus hate. Xpecial draws nowhere near his fair share of criticism.
I'm sorry Xpecial played either the best or second best to WT that game. His worst play all game was the fail towerdive, which was a big mistake, but he more than made up for it with his crescendos later on.
Obligatory: 420 smoke it uppppp
Also I am going to bed. Thanks all for making this LR thread s(x)pecial.<3
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Tomorrow we'll have withdrawal syndrome
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On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in).
Then let piglet and impact walk all over tsm. Did his job imo.
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Yeah, remember folks. There are no games tomorrow.
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impact: piglet will probably hit challenger tommorow
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On September 18 2013 16:31 ketchup wrote:
Yeah, remember folks. There are no games tomorrow.
I know , what will I do with my crappy sleep schedule
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lol the average viewer has better predictions than the analysts/casters
+ Show Spoiler +
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is this really #1 (seasonal) team from EU? come on Lemondogs...
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On September 18 2013 16:26 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:24 oneofthem wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 Mondeezy wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 ReketSomething wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. Reginald was such a pansy in every fight. He was pretty much always at full HP after everyone died. Compare this to Fakers game against OMG faker was inches from death every fight. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He would be out of position, chuck an ult, hit one person, belly flop into a bush and recall. Sure, he didn't die, but he literally had no impact in the teamfights. You people. I swear you guys don't play gragas. You want him to, what, Bellyflop into the teamfight that his team is losing in hopes of.... what exactly? As gragas you use your ult to disengage or split the enemy team and pick them apart. Once your ult is down, your long CD's on Q and the fact that E puts you and risk means you're essentially waiting for cd's. Rushing in to melee w/ your W up can deal some damage, but not enough to actually make an impact before you get blown up for sacrificing yourself for no reason. check out faker's gragas vs omg. Different games, different situations... I'm not saying Reginald played great or anything. However, in most of the teamfights he did what he could do under the circumstances.
he wasn't in position to do anything in some fo the fights. so i guess he zoned himself out lol
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On September 18 2013 16:32 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:31 ketchup wrote:
Yeah, remember folks. There are no games tomorrow. I know , what will I do with my crappy sleep schedule
Cement it so it isn't a struggle Thursday.
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On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in).
Faker was hugely impactful in the midgame teamfights, just go back on it and watch just how much damage he dealt to TSM and how much damage he soaked for his team, yeah he died sometimes but he carried more than his weight in early-midgame teamfight.
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On September 18 2013 16:30 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in). Then let piglet and impact walk all over tsm. Did his job imo.
Err...
1) Sona can't exhaust Caitlyn, that would be impossible. And exhausting Renekton is fairly lol (relatively low damage comparatively speaking).
2) I think you're overrating Faker's impact here. It was a combination of Piglet, Bengi, and Impact who were the ones who carried this game, not Faker. And TSM mispositions/Dyrus being kept down/Oddone with silly failed gank attempts.
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On September 18 2013 16:23 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:21 Mondeezy wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 ReketSomething wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. Reginald was such a pansy in every fight. He was pretty much always at full HP after everyone died. Compare this to Fakers game against OMG faker was inches from death every fight. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He would be out of position, chuck an ult, hit one person, belly flop into a bush and recall. Sure, he didn't die, but he literally had no impact in the teamfights. His ult around the first dragon fight worked out well even if it wasn't technically the best. It hit 3 people and they ended up trading 2 for 1. They really needed more than just that though, trading 2v1 without getting anything else wasn't that decisive of a team fight. Even Vulcun could probably win an early fight vs SKT, it's about properly snowballing if you want to actually win and not just "do well", which no one can say TSM didn't do that game. They played alright.
I agree, they did play alright. Sadly alright won't cut it vs SKT though :/ hopefully they'll step it up the next time they play.
On September 18 2013 16:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:21 Mondeezy wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 ReketSomething wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. Reginald was such a pansy in every fight. He was pretty much always at full HP after everyone died. Compare this to Fakers game against OMG faker was inches from death every fight. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. He would be out of position, chuck an ult, hit one person, belly flop into a bush and recall. Sure, he didn't die, but he literally had no impact in the teamfights. You people. I swear you guys don't play gragas. You want him to, what, Bellyflop into the teamfight that his team is losing in hopes of.... what exactly? As gragas you use your ult to disengage or split the enemy team and pick them apart. Once your ult is down, your long CD's on Q and the fact that E puts you and risk means you're essentially waiting for cd's. Rushing in to melee w/ your W up can deal some damage, but not enough to actually make an impact before you get blown up for sacrificing yourself for no reason.
What do you mean "you people" 
Nah, I understand what you're saying. I just saw a couple of important fights where he could have been more of a presence but was out of position, or would only hit poohmandu with his ult, or would just completely be out of the fight running away. It felt like he could have done more to make up for Dyrus being shutdown.
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On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in).
Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets.
Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM
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The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD
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On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD
I have been feeling physical pain these last few weeks as the longest time spent without seeing C9 playing since their debut. Fuck Riot's format where we only get to watch the weaker teams at worlds. We want to watch the best!
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On September 18 2013 16:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:26 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. This was after Dyrus had really been shut down though, after Bengi just decided to tent it up top lane, Dyrus was basically screwed. Obviously he shouldn't have died there, and it hurt him, but deaths or no deaths that Rumble was going to be toothless. I think Dyrus is probably TSM's best player, but what he did today was choke hard. Rumble pick is so questionable, and you know Dyrus picked it. He picked it against OMG as well. On September 18 2013 16:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On September 18 2013 16:21 ketchup wrote:On September 18 2013 16:18 las91 wrote:On September 18 2013 16:17 Mondeezy wrote:
Poor Dyrus, that early game really screwed him :/ I still feel like he had more teamfight presence than Regi though. That's how you beat Rumble. Kill him before he gets his base damages really high and he's not scary at all. For some reason, people are pretending like Dyrus got bullied. Dyrus WALKED into a bad fight twice. He is responsible for his deaths. He played bad, picked a champion that's fairly weak against Renekton, and then tried to be stubborn with his play dying more. Rumble is not bad against renek. If an even lane Rumble will win; but as is the case with many champs whoever gets an early lead (assuming more than a few cs) pulls out ahead fairly cleanly. It's not a good lane either because you know you won't get an even lane. The Koreans know how to counter Rumble considering how popular the pick was there. That doesn't make Rumble into renek a bad pick; that makes rumble a bad pick then. Those are 2 completely different arguments.
Rumble was a bad pick in that TSM had 0 lockdown to make full use of Rumble's skillset. Rumble v. Renekton or Rumble in 1v2 was not a bad pick.
Rumble seemed ineffective for several reasons. Dyrus seriously fucked up when he gave first blood. That was solo q level shit right there when he died. All he had to do was literally sit at tower and wait 5 seconds. It's not even like he had no vision of Bengi. His second death was equally bad and after that he basically has to play catchup for 5~10 minutes which puts a ton of pressure on TSM. On top of that, like I mentioned earlier, Rumble had next to no synergy with the rest of TSM's comp.
You can defend Regi all you want, but this was definitely a very weak game from Regi. His impact on the game was next to nil. Whether it's cause he was a pussy or because he had terrible pre-fight positioning, it doesn't matter; fact of the matter is, he was useless. For example, the fight mid when SKT 4 for 1'd TSM, Regi was all the way at bot/blue buff when the fight broke out so he was late to the fight. This happened at least 2~3 times.
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they just tried to kill faker real fast after he does one of his "rush in and gimp someone" moves. so yea, he didn't stay alive to get assists on whatever happened later. but, without faker doing this, they wouldn't be able to force some of the fights.
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On September 18 2013 16:35 Flakes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2013 16:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Faker was pushing in early (early levels Gragas can't CS as well due to range vs melee in harass), and promptly evened it up later.
Also, I've got to disagree. Faker had fairly minimal impact in the fights that took place. SKT won on the backs of a snowballed Renekton and Piglet, predominantly. TSM did a pretty good job shutting down Faker during fights (exhausts right as he dashes in). Yeah I noticed Faker's kill participation was somewhat low alongside Regi's, but he was always better at staying in between Regi and the important targets. Regi's positioning and actions in fights made me... just very sad, because it was like not watching TSM
Actually, I think Faker knew he would be the main focus every fight so he was pretty much playing the decoy. Once he was in range, TSM threw everything they had to kill him (even flashing forward) so he just got his damage out and died while piglet, impact cleaned up.
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On September 18 2013 16:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
The real question now is just how fucking far ahead of everybody is C9??
xD
I think people have to remember bo3s are very different compared to what we are seeing now. There's a lot more involved, and some teams can compose themselves after losses much better.
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