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On August 31 2013 09:54 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:49 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:
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lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not. So you'd rather have an incompetent guy who can only play no-brainer, or straightout broken champs (okay, Aatrox is not one of these, hence Kiwi sucks with him) with which everyone could play. Seriously, give me Zac and a ticket to NA, and I will sit up there, being invincible, buying better items than Kiwi, and initiate when my team says GO. A monkey could do that. Yes, I'd get caught, I'd make stupid individual decisions, and I'd get outplayed againts pretty much everyone, but that doesn't really matter, I'm on Zac. So, you rather have this guy than Voy, who could do the same thing with Zac/Elise, except better, while having access to even more champions if needed to. Theorycrafting about whether Dig would force him into playing champs they want him to play or not is besides the point: Voyboy is a talented individual, Kiwi is not. But if you can honestly say "I'd rather have Kiwikid as my top laner, than Voyboy", then... I don't know, it's like dividing by zero. You just don'T do that. If that were the truth, Curse would be drafting these blatantly op'd champs for Voyboy every single time. Voyboy gets a lot of reign in what he chooses to play (been said in a few interviews), bad top lane drafting is Voyboy's fault. The lack of op'd drafting we see from Voyboy, then suggests a) he chooses non-op'd champs cuz he feels he can play his awkward picks better than non-op'd champ or b) because he doesn't feel comfortable with op'd champs. Either way, both don't fit with how Dig likes to draft. He can either stay with Curse who continue let to do whatever he wants, equivalently good supporting cast, bigger mansion, bigger paycheck, and a cool dog. OR he could join Dig, get smaller house and live in closet like Crumbzz, smaller paycheck, equivalent support cast, and less freedom in picks.
How can you blame Voyboy for the terrible drafting? Especially for doing terrible drafting two times in a row. "Voy said he can handle Zac!" is hardly an excuse for Curse, and imo Voy is the kind of guy you can talk about things, he doesn't just demand his stuff.
If Voy is fine with Nasus and Shen, I can't imagine him not willing to play something like Zac. Also, he's smart enough to know that he has to be able to play the actual op champs.
But you are right on that Voy probably wouldn't leave Curse for Dig.
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On August 31 2013 10:02 Slusher wrote:
did I miss something where you are tunneling on Voyboy? any conversation about Curse getting better begins with Saint, they looked weak in solos this split also yes, but lets be real here for a minute.
The original comment was someone wanting Voyboy to be on a different team
I brought up the point, that there isn't a single NA LCS team that is better than the current Curse, and it would be an UPGRADE for them to grab Voyboy
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I'm still of the camp Saint is too important to remove from the team. He's far from perfect but he's still the team leader. Replacing him would be hard.
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On August 31 2013 09:59 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:49 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:
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lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not. So you'd rather have an incompetent guy who can only play no-brainer, or straightout broken champs (okay, Aatrox is not one of these, hence Kiwi sucks with him) with which everyone could play. Seriously, give me Zac and a ticket to NA, and I will sit up there, being invincible, buying better items than Kiwi, and initiate when my team says GO. A monkey could do that. Yes, I'd get caught, I'd make stupid individual decisions, and I'd get outplayed againts pretty much everyone, but that doesn't really matter, I'm on Zac. So, you rather have this guy than Voy, who could do the same thing with Zac/Elise, except better, while having access to even more champions if needed to. Theorycrafting about whether Dig would force him into playing champs they want him to play or not is besides the point: Voyboy is a talented individual, Kiwi is not. But if you can honestly say "I'd rather have Kiwikid as my top laner, than Voyboy", then... I don't know, it's like dividing by zero. You just don'T do that. Also unless you are a secret pro whose name I have never heard of, you'd almost certainly get eaten alive if you ever try to lane against voyboy. Op champion or not. Kiwi managed to come out ahead 2 times in a row today, so he can't be that bad can he ?
Yes, he can be. I'm 95% positive I could've done the same thing with Zac. Babysitted by a Lee, having broken sustain, undiveable passive, while laning againts a NASUS. Damn, the life of Kiwikid is surely hard! And he did so much in the third game, like.. he farmed... and... got caught... bought some resistances... jumped around... sounds hard.
And I'm not even exaggerating. He's THAT bad. No, I'm not better than him, but who the hell couldn't manage what he did with Zac or Elise?
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On August 31 2013 10:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm still of the camp Saint is too important to remove from the team. He's far from perfect but he's still the team leader. Replacing him would be hard.
Yep, and just think about game two. Bot lane just fucked up everything, and it had nothing to do with Saint at all.
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On August 31 2013 10:10 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:59 Tula wrote:On August 31 2013 09:49 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:
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You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not. So you'd rather have an incompetent guy who can only play no-brainer, or straightout broken champs (okay, Aatrox is not one of these, hence Kiwi sucks with him) with which everyone could play. Seriously, give me Zac and a ticket to NA, and I will sit up there, being invincible, buying better items than Kiwi, and initiate when my team says GO. A monkey could do that. Yes, I'd get caught, I'd make stupid individual decisions, and I'd get outplayed againts pretty much everyone, but that doesn't really matter, I'm on Zac. So, you rather have this guy than Voy, who could do the same thing with Zac/Elise, except better, while having access to even more champions if needed to. Theorycrafting about whether Dig would force him into playing champs they want him to play or not is besides the point: Voyboy is a talented individual, Kiwi is not. But if you can honestly say "I'd rather have Kiwikid as my top laner, than Voyboy", then... I don't know, it's like dividing by zero. You just don'T do that. Also unless you are a secret pro whose name I have never heard of, you'd almost certainly get eaten alive if you ever try to lane against voyboy. Op champion or not. Kiwi managed to come out ahead 2 times in a row today, so he can't be that bad can he ? Yes, he can be. I'm 95% positive I could've done the same thing with Zac. Babysitted by a Lee, having broken sustain, undiveable passive, while laning againts a NASUS. Damn, the life of Kiwikid is surely hard! And he did so much in the third game, like.. he farmed... and... got caught... bought some resistances... jumped around... sounds hard. And I'm not even exaggerating. He's THAT bad. No, I'm not better than him, but who the hell couldn't manage what he did with Zac or Elise?
Damn man, what did Kiwi do to you? You've been ragging on him all day.
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Probably what clg did to every fan today.Being a fan>dissapointment>hate.The natural cycle.
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Is there anywhere that has it listed when significant events happen in the matches? There is a reddit post with them, but the Youtube stream is down so the links don't work. Anywhere else do something like this?
Trying to make a very very rough pilot episode for my Sportscenter thing and didn't write down the stuff for the 1st series and TSM series.
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On August 31 2013 10:17 Diamond wrote:
Is there anywhere that has it listed when significant events happen in the matches? There is a reddit post with them, but the Youtube stream is down so the links don't work. Anywhere else do something like this?
Trying to make a very very rough pilot episode for my Sportscenter thing and didn't write down the stuff for the 1st series and TSM series.
I think the reddit postgame threads have links to the important highlights.
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On August 31 2013 10:15 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:10 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:59 Tula wrote:On August 31 2013 09:49 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:
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Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not. So you'd rather have an incompetent guy who can only play no-brainer, or straightout broken champs (okay, Aatrox is not one of these, hence Kiwi sucks with him) with which everyone could play. Seriously, give me Zac and a ticket to NA, and I will sit up there, being invincible, buying better items than Kiwi, and initiate when my team says GO. A monkey could do that. Yes, I'd get caught, I'd make stupid individual decisions, and I'd get outplayed againts pretty much everyone, but that doesn't really matter, I'm on Zac. So, you rather have this guy than Voy, who could do the same thing with Zac/Elise, except better, while having access to even more champions if needed to. Theorycrafting about whether Dig would force him into playing champs they want him to play or not is besides the point: Voyboy is a talented individual, Kiwi is not. But if you can honestly say "I'd rather have Kiwikid as my top laner, than Voyboy", then... I don't know, it's like dividing by zero. You just don'T do that. Also unless you are a secret pro whose name I have never heard of, you'd almost certainly get eaten alive if you ever try to lane against voyboy. Op champion or not. Kiwi managed to come out ahead 2 times in a row today, so he can't be that bad can he ? Yes, he can be. I'm 95% positive I could've done the same thing with Zac. Babysitted by a Lee, having broken sustain, undiveable passive, while laning againts a NASUS. Damn, the life of Kiwikid is surely hard! And he did so much in the third game, like.. he farmed... and... got caught... bought some resistances... jumped around... sounds hard. And I'm not even exaggerating. He's THAT bad. No, I'm not better than him, but who the hell couldn't manage what he did with Zac or Elise? Damn man, what did Kiwi do to you? You've been ragging on him all day.
He's like watching bitbybit in SC2, without the comedy factor. Not only he's ruining NA LCS for me, I can't even laugh at his incompetence, unlike Chauster or Hotshot (rip) for example. He wins games, you know? Bitbybit all over again - you know he's god awful, and exploiting op/branless champs, while getting carried, but he still wins!
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On August 31 2013 09:44 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:38 Nitan wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Nyjacky underwhelming this split, yes. So has Saint. Saint's been Saint as well.
Voyboy not performing that well either. This meta not fitting any of his champ pool (tanky assassins). Voyboy known for "carrying" with carry tops, but his non-carry tops are amazingly underwhelming, sorta like opposite of HSGG. And...Cop can't carry after the Draven nerf. He carried with Twitch after the Draven nerf T_T
Cop performs when his team performs. I remember a game against...CLG I think where Cop was losing lane but then Nyjacky and Saint did a beautiful Cataclysm/Shockwave combo which trapped 3 people which let Cop just destroy them with Spray and Pray.
Alas, no synergy today.
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Once again, Dignitas performance hinges on Crumbzz's ability to apply early game pressure, much like in Dig's Spring Split win streak. People undervalued him last Split, but honestly outside of some lulzy mistakes (walking into 4 man Game 3) he needs to keep it up.
Also, people calling for a SV on Kiwi's Zac in Game 2 of Dig/Crs are mental. Only magic damage source was Ori (and Nyjacky wasn't doing well at all/getting picked off by Lee/Gragas) and Nasus ulti. No reason not to go Sunfire-Randuins vs a Trynd/Cait, whom are the only ones Kiwi needed to be concerned about. Also, Blue pot is a perfectly fine buy when you're looking for a pivotal fight to close out the game.
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Been out all day, so I need to catch up... Did TSM and Dig win through better strategy or better execution or both?
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On August 31 2013 10:36 caelym wrote:
Been out all day, so I need to catch up... Did TSM and Dig win through better strategy or better execution or both?
Mostly through bad play on enemy side  .Mostly better execution and in dig vs crs crs pick/ban phase wasn't very good.
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Well, Curse definately broke their curse as forever fourth place
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Dig won Games 2+3 through Crumbzz early pressure with his Lee (same as they did during their Spring Split win streak), and, yes, better picks, and lane snowballing (basically, their usual MO). Qtpie huge Blue Ez Game 2, and Zed/Gragas+Zac through Games 2+3.
TSM won because CLG just plain failed. Those Chauster Crescendos, ermahgerd. And also better picks. Link cordially ceded his bid for best mid NA to mancloud this Bo3 also.
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On August 31 2013 10:36 caelym wrote:
Been out all day, so I need to catch up... Did TSM and Dig win through better strategy or better execution or both?
TSM vs CLG felt like a lot of CLG choking, and TSM playing their average.
Dig vs Crs, was Dig's drafting winning out, and Crumbz being good.
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Just caught up on VODs
jiji used to be the only person I liked on CLG, but watching him play non-naturally-tanky junglers (noct, lee, panth) the way he does makes me die inside. It's worse than Hotshot's toplane Jax
...almost
edit: actually it is worse
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