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On August 31 2013 09:31 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:30 Numy wrote:
People also have to realize that with subs a player doesn't have to be removed from the roster for good. They can have a dynamic roster which might give him time to reach form again. Just people in Western seem are so adverse to subs it seems that they are used incorrectly. 7 man roster has seemed to work out well for EG
Now that I think about it more that might not even be needed. It's just the problem with the players being so set in their "roles" that they hurt themselves. A previous poster said Jacky should be played like a 3 and Voy like a 2 which would mean Jacky goes into the offlane 1v2 and Voy gets the solo lane which means 100% sense. Voy is the playmaker, he's the one they want to get farm so why are they still making Jacky get the farm instead. Seems to be just a holdover from the days where lanes were 100% set instead of adapting to the current game.
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On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:14 Silentenigma wrote:
OK I hope curse gets relegated now so voy could join a decent team. Please, what "decent" team in NA would upgrade significantly with Voy, that is better than Curse? Seriously, think realistically Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy.
Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade.
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On August 31 2013 09:36 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:31 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 Numy wrote:
People also have to realize that with subs a player doesn't have to be removed from the roster for good. They can have a dynamic roster which might give him time to reach form again. Just people in Western seem are so adverse to subs it seems that they are used incorrectly. 7 man roster has seemed to work out well for EG Now that I think about it more that might not even be needed. It's just the problem with the players being so set in their "roles" that they hurt themselves. A previous poster said Jacky should be played like a 3 and Voy like a 2 which would mean Jacky goes into the offlane 1v2 and Voy gets the solo lane which means 100% sense. Voy is the playmaker, he's the one they want to get farm so why are they still making Jacky get the farm instead. Seems to be just a holdover from the days where lanes were 100% set instead of adapting to the current game.
They tried this mid split multiple times with Karthus. Nyjacky so bad in 1v2 lanes. He also did it with Ahri as well, that game was so super facepalm.
On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:14 Silentenigma wrote:
OK I hope curse gets relegated now so voy could join a decent team. Please, what "decent" team in NA would upgrade significantly with Voy, that is better than Curse? Seriously, think realistically Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade.
This isn't solo queue, win lane, doesn't mean win game.
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On August 31 2013 09:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Nyjacky underwhelming this split, yes. So has Saint. Saint's been Saint as well.
Voyboy not performing that well either. This meta not fitting any of his champ pool (tanky assassins). Voyboy known for "carrying" with carry tops, but his non-carry tops are amazingly underwhelming, sorta like opposite of HSGG.
And...Cop can't carry after the Draven nerf.
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On August 31 2013 09:38 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Nyjacky underwhelming this split, yes. So has Saint. Saint's been Saint as well.
Voyboy not performing that well either. This meta not fitting any of his champ pool (tanky assassins). Voyboy known for "carrying" with carry tops, but his non-carry tops are amazingly underwhelming, sorta like opposite of HSGG. And...Cop can't carry after the Draven nerf.
That's more a problem with ADC's in general. Look at EU and NA LCS, pretty rare for ADC to carry a game.
also, wtb pre-nerf draven. new passive is balls.
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On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:14 Silentenigma wrote:
OK I hope curse gets relegated now so voy could join a decent team. Please, what "decent" team in NA would upgrade significantly with Voy, that is better than Curse? Seriously, think realistically Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade.
KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL??
Wow... one more day till we have to put up with torturous comments like that.
Edit: I'm saying it to whoever said that mind.blowing, furthest possible statement from truth ever.
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On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:14 Silentenigma wrote:
OK I hope curse gets relegated now so voy could join a decent team. Please, what "decent" team in NA would upgrade significantly with Voy, that is better than Curse? Seriously, think realistically Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that.
Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not.
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On August 31 2013 09:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:36 Numy wrote:On August 31 2013 09:31 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 Numy wrote:
People also have to realize that with subs a player doesn't have to be removed from the roster for good. They can have a dynamic roster which might give him time to reach form again. Just people in Western seem are so adverse to subs it seems that they are used incorrectly. 7 man roster has seemed to work out well for EG Now that I think about it more that might not even be needed. It's just the problem with the players being so set in their "roles" that they hurt themselves. A previous poster said Jacky should be played like a 3 and Voy like a 2 which would mean Jacky goes into the offlane 1v2 and Voy gets the solo lane which means 100% sense. Voy is the playmaker, he's the one they want to get farm so why are they still making Jacky get the farm instead. Seems to be just a holdover from the days where lanes were 100% set instead of adapting to the current game. They tried this mid split multiple times with Karthus. Nyjacky so bad in 1v2 lanes. He also did it with Ahri as well, that game was so super facepalm.
That feels more a case of them just doing it randomly without thought. An ahri in a 1v2 setup seems completely counter productive lol. It would be more like jacky playing a tank but I guess he can't play that. Meh players are just far too set in their "I am AP player" mindset.
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On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:14 Silentenigma wrote:
OK I hope curse gets relegated now so voy could join a decent team. Please, what "decent" team in NA would upgrade significantly with Voy, that is better than Curse? Seriously, think realistically Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up with torturous comments like that. Edit: I'm saying it to whoever said that mind.blowing, furthest possible statement from truth ever.
Yeah I know, what the fuck. LOOK AT KIWIS PICKS FOR SUMMER SPLIT. THEY PLAY THE SAME CHAMPS. Except Voy does it better in every single way
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On August 31 2013 09:38 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Nyjacky underwhelming this split, yes. So has Saint. Saint's been Saint as well.
Voyboy not performing that well either. This meta not fitting any of his champ pool (tanky assassins). Voyboy known for "carrying" with carry tops, but his non-carry tops are amazingly underwhelming, sorta like opposite of HSGG. And...Cop can't carry after the Draven nerf.
He carried with Twitch after the Draven nerf T_TOn August 31 2013 09:33 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:31 onlywonderboy wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 Numy wrote:
People also have to realize that with subs a player doesn't have to be removed from the roster for good. They can have a dynamic roster which might give him time to reach form again. Just people in Western seem are so adverse to subs it seems that they are used incorrectly. 7 man roster has seemed to work out well for EG I don't know if you're being sarcastic because EG started performing better when they did that. There's no shame in losing 2-1 to GG
Nah, I was being serious, I like the system.
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It's like everyone forgot that Dig was more than happy to trade away voyboy in the 3 man trade.
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On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:
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Please, what "decent" team in NA would upgrade significantly with Voy, that is better than Curse? Seriously, think realistically Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not.
Hardly, it was because HS was in jungle. That alone is enough to make any top laner look bad.
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See what happens in the West is that the players themselves govern the team so obviously it would be rare for them to willingly swap themselves out. In Korea it's a lot more common for the organizations/coaches to govern the teams so it's easier to have a 6/7 man roster. I'd imagine Curse might be able to do that since Liquid basically has all the power to do what he wants but don't know if it will happen. Just makes so much sense.
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On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:15 wei2coolman wrote:
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Please, what "decent" team in NA would upgrade significantly with Voy, that is better than Curse? Seriously, think realistically Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not.
So you'd rather have an incompetent guy who can only play no-brainer, or straightout broken champs (okay, Aatrox is not one of these, hence Kiwi sucks with him) with which everyone could play. Seriously, give me Zac and a ticket to NA, and I will sit up there, being invincible, buying better items than Kiwi, and initiate when my team says GO. A monkey could do that. Yes, I'd get caught, I'd make stupid individual decisions, and I'd get outplayed againts pretty much everyone, but that doesn't really matter, I'm on Zac.
So, you rather have this guy than Voy, who could do the same thing with Zac/Elise, except better, while having access to even more champions if needed to. Theorycrafting about whether Dig would force him into playing champs they want him to play or not is besides the point: Voyboy is a talented individual, Kiwi is not.
But if you can honestly say "I'd rather have Kiwikid as my top laner, than Voyboy", then... I don't know, it's like dividing by zero. You just don'T do that.
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On August 31 2013 09:49 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:
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Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not. So you'd rather have an incompetent guy who can only play no-brainer, or straightout broken champs (okay, Aatrox is not one of these, hence Kiwi sucks with him) with which everyone could play. Seriously, give me Zac and a ticket to NA, and I will sit up there, being invincible, buying better items than Kiwi, and initiate when my team says GO. A monkey could do that. Yes, I'd get caught, I'd make stupid individual decisions, and I'd get outplayed againts pretty much everyone, but that doesn't really matter, I'm on Zac. So, you rather have this guy than Voy, who could do the same thing with Zac/Elise, except better, while having access to even more champions if needed to. Theorycrafting about whether Dig would force him into playing champs they want him to play or not is besides the point: Voyboy is a talented individual, Kiwi is not. But if you can honestly say "I'd rather have Kiwikid as my top laner, than Voyboy", then... I don't know, it's like dividing by zero. You just don'T do that.
If that were the truth, Curse would be drafting these blatantly op'd champs for Voyboy every single time. Voyboy gets a lot of reign in what he chooses to play (been said in a few interviews), bad top lane drafting is Voyboy's fault. The lack of op'd drafting we see from Voyboy, then suggests a) he chooses non-op'd champs cuz he feels he can play his awkward picks better than non-op'd champ or b) because he doesn't feel comfortable with op'd champs. Either way, both don't fit with how Dig likes to draft.
He can either stay with Curse who continue let to do whatever he wants, equivalently good supporting cast, bigger mansion, bigger paycheck, and a cool dog.
OR he could join Dig, get smaller house and live in closet like Crumbzz, smaller paycheck, equivalent support cast, and less freedom in picks.
As far as the last comment, it really depends on the type of team I'm making. Obviously if I'm making a Maknoon-type team, then ya, Voyboy best pick. If I'm like Dig, who wants full control of draft, why would I switch it up with another top laner that is known to play awkward picks?
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This may not be fotm to talk about, but I feel like phreak is bored with casting. He always trails off now after jatt says something and says "well that's that".
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On August 31 2013 09:49 Volband wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:41 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:39 Volband wrote:On August 31 2013 09:37 MattBarry wrote:On August 31 2013 09:35 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:33 beefhamburger wrote:On August 31 2013 09:30 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:18 Swords wrote:On August 31 2013 09:17 wei2coolman wrote:On August 31 2013 09:16 Swords wrote:
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Dignitas lol, plz. Dig and Curse are around the same level. It'd be a side grade with less money. You'd be replacing the weakest member of Dig with one of Curse's best members. The teams are even overall, but Voyboy is way better than Kiwikid. Voyboy prolly not what Dig needs, Kiwi's got a much better champ pool than Voyboy. I can have a champ pool of 40 champs but that doesn't make me a better player to have a on team. The individual skill difference between Voy and Kiwi is so big that Voy would be an upgrade in almost every aspect. Not really. Voyboy good with his "champ pool", but if I was dig who prefers to run more strategy dependent picks, over comfort/lane picks. Kiwi fills this criteria better than Voy. Kiwi plays like zac, elise, aatrox. Do you really think Kiwi is better than Voy at zac/elise. I mean kiwi feeds nearly every game so I'm pretty sure Voy on a champ he's never even played before wouldn't be a downgrade. KIWI HAS BETTER CHAMP POOL?? Wow... one more day till we have to put up torturous comments like that. Remember when voyboy was on CLG? and he was shit? wanna know why? CLG forced picks on Voyboy because they played off of overall picks, Dig is very similar in that respect. Curse GIVES voyboy the freedom to play what he wants, Dig would not. So you'd rather have an incompetent guy who can only play no-brainer, or straightout broken champs (okay, Aatrox is not one of these, hence Kiwi sucks with him) with which everyone could play. Seriously, give me Zac and a ticket to NA, and I will sit up there, being invincible, buying better items than Kiwi, and initiate when my team says GO. A monkey could do that. Yes, I'd get caught, I'd make stupid individual decisions, and I'd get outplayed againts pretty much everyone, but that doesn't really matter, I'm on Zac. So, you rather have this guy than Voy, who could do the same thing with Zac/Elise, except better, while having access to even more champions if needed to. Theorycrafting about whether Dig would force him into playing champs they want him to play or not is besides the point: Voyboy is a talented individual, Kiwi is not. But if you can honestly say "I'd rather have Kiwikid as my top laner, than Voyboy", then... I don't know, it's like dividing by zero. You just don'T do that.
Erm mate, even if I agree that voyboy is a better top laner than kiwi the hyperbole is pretty strong in that post.
First of all not a single poster in this thread could replace ANY LCS pro without months and months of hardcore practice. Hell unless I missed someone I'm not even sure we have any of the high profile TL players joining this discussion.
Second while Kiwi might not be the most impressive player on Dig, he is almost certainly exactly what his team wants him to be. They like having Scarra and qtpie as their big carries, with crumbs making plays from the jungle, that is how they play pretty much every game they are winning. Maybe mechanically someone else would be better (heck almost certainly if you include Korean or Chinese players), but LoL is a TEAM game in the end. Your 1on1 mechanics aren't even 20% of the end result, coordination and teamwork in all aspects is what wins this game.
Yes it might be nice if they had a flashy top laner who has mad skillz and can outplay everyone, but frankly no team has more than 2 players of that kind. Mostly because they are almost never good teamplayers. It doesn't matter how great your 1v1 flash dodge into whatever play is if your team can't coordinate those moves into a strategy (or even a single teamfight). Just think back to the allstar matches in spring and how stupid the EU Team looked. That is what happens when 5 people who are all great players have 0 coordination.
Also unless you are a secret pro whose name I have never heard of, you'd almost certainly get eaten alive if you ever try to lane against voyboy. Op champion or not. Kiwi managed to come out ahead 2 times in a row today, so he can't be that bad can he ?
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Jesus christ i know im late but Chauster's sona is such fucking trash.
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did I miss something where you are tunneling on Voyboy? any conversation about Curse getting better begins with Saint, they looked weak in solos this split also yes, but lets be real here for a minute.
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