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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 23 2013 15:19 GMT
#641
On August 24 2013 00:18 ArcticFox wrote:
I'm trying to think...when was the last time we saw an LCS game where two teams played extremely well, and one team just ouplayed the other, and the game *wasn't* decided by people derping and getting caught out one at a time and forcing 3v5 and 4v5 defenses?

Grah. I'll be back for game 3.


EG vs Gambit Tiebreaker!
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 23 2013 15:20 GMT
#642
On August 24 2013 00:05 Ota Solgryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 23:54 BackSideAttack wrote:
its gonna be pretty messed up if GG.EU qualifies through the wildcard and GMB doesn't make it cuz they had to play eu lcs


Well, a wildcard is almost always given/won to a team/player that is considered worse than the team/players that are qualifying through regular means.

It is the same in tennis and other sports where turnaments formats a regularly held.


well my point is that gg.eu tried to qualify through the eu qualifiers and they got eliminated. If m5 chose to participate in the wildcard, which they could because they are from Russia (idk wtf riot was thinking), they would have easily won.
SimulatedAnneal
Profile Joined March 2012
765 Posts
August 23 2013 15:20 GMT
#643
On August 24 2013 00:08 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 23:56 Promises wrote:
I've got a question on how Arpen etc works I think... In pro-games I always see assasins stack %pen and flat pen to the high heavens, even when very little armor is being built on the enemy team, is this really the best choice? I'd think that after some flat arpen more flat dmg would be more benificial then say the Last Whisper (or Void Staff for AP's), but apparantly I'm wrong... hows does this work? (I'm talking situations where the main enemy tank has some armor, the AP has zhonyas but that's all)

Actually the more armor you have the less the efficienty per point of armor is.

10 armor = you take 91% phys damage
25 armor = you take 80% phys damage
50 armor = you take 66% phys damage
100 armor = you take 50% phys damage
200 armor = you take 33% phys damage

So lowering someone's armor from 50 to 10 has a higher impact on your damage output than lowering someone's armor from 200 to 100.

Now the story is a bit different for ADCs because of crits but assassin abilities can't crit.


No, every 1 armor is worth 1% of your health against 0 armor pen physical damage. At 1k hp, 50 to 10 is going from 1.5k to 1.1k. 200 to 100 is 3k to 2k. The former is a 27% reduction in damage to kill, the latter is a 33% reduction in damage to kill. The reason you get health and armor instead of just one is because the armor increases the efficiency of health and health increases the efficiency of armor.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 23 2013 15:21 GMT
#644
those "bouncing on my dick" signs are the first signs I've ever had to cringe for.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 15:25:36
August 23 2013 15:23 GMT
#645
On August 24 2013 00:18 ArcticFox wrote:
I'm trying to think...when was the last time we saw an LCS game where two teams played extremely well, and one team just ouplayed the other, and the game *wasn't* decided by people derping and getting caught out one at a time and forcing 3v5 and 4v5 defenses?

Grah. I'll be back for game 3.


If you think about it, EVERY game are won by mistakes

If you outplay someone, that means they made a mistake somewhere (not enough ward, failing a prediction, etc etc). When both team plays well, the game gets dragged on

In this G1 : GG vs NIP
NIP played super well early on
GG responded perfectly with the turtle

At some points, the game was even again. So who can win such a game? Obviously, the team that would do the first capital mistake is going to lose

The thing is, late game, doing a mistake is very costly since the respawn timers are super huge. You can do mistakes early on and try to turtle to come. Then its up to the leading team to find a way to close the game
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
August 23 2013 15:24 GMT
#646
On August 24 2013 00:08 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 23:56 Promises wrote:
I've got a question on how Arpen etc works I think... In pro-games I always see assasins stack %pen and flat pen to the high heavens, even when very little armor is being built on the enemy team, is this really the best choice? I'd think that after some flat arpen more flat dmg would be more benificial then say the Last Whisper (or Void Staff for AP's), but apparantly I'm wrong... hows does this work? (I'm talking situations where the main enemy tank has some armor, the AP has zhonyas but that's all)

Actually the more armor you have the less the efficienty per point of armor is.

10 armor = you take 91% phys damage
25 armor = you take 80% phys damage
50 armor = you take 66% phys damage
100 armor = you take 50% phys damage
200 armor = you take 33% phys damage

So lowering someone's armor from 50 to 10 has a higher impact on your damage output than lowering someone's armor from 200 to 100.

Now the story is a bit different for ADCs because of crits but assassin abilities can't crit.


I think the bold part is wrong. In the first case you're left with 74% of your EHP, in the second case you're left with 66% of your EHP.

The "you take xx% phys damage" is a bit misleading because not every percent is worth the same. Going from you take 100% phys damage to you take 99% phys damage doesn't make a big difference, you basically take the full damage. Going from you take 2% phys damage to you take 1% phys damage means you only half the damage you used to take.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 23 2013 15:32 GMT
#647
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
August 23 2013 15:44 GMT
#648
first blood for Gambit, good start for them
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 23 2013 15:47 GMT
#649
Shen 2 cs at 6:50.
Off-season = best season
G.K.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States105 Posts
August 23 2013 15:49 GMT
#650
I may be wrong but is there any reason shen/renek not going for wolves at start?
Hearthstone // LoL
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
August 23 2013 15:51 GMT
#651
Thresh prevented shen from doing so. No idea why Renek didn't do it
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 23 2013 15:52 GMT
#652
That was a pretty bad ult by Genja, hit noone and Aatrox had already shown himself. T_T
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 23 2013 15:53 GMT
#653
Fuck, I miss extinkt
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 23 2013 15:55 GMT
#654
Wtf Darien, you saw Aatrox, you killed the tower, why the hell would you not gtfo?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 23 2013 15:55 GMT
#655
On August 24 2013 00:55 Alaric wrote:
Wtf Darien, you saw Aatrox, you killed the tower, why the hell would you not gtfo?

Because Darien.
Off-season = best season
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
August 23 2013 16:00 GMT
#656
This is all a grand scheme, Darien pulls attention to him while Alex Ich free farm and Diamond threaten Freeze to let Genja have farm advantage. All going according to the plans of the overlords.
ArcticFox
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1092 Posts
August 23 2013 16:01 GMT
#657
On August 24 2013 00:23 XenOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:18 ArcticFox wrote:
I'm trying to think...when was the last time we saw an LCS game where two teams played extremely well, and one team just ouplayed the other, and the game *wasn't* decided by people derping and getting caught out one at a time and forcing 3v5 and 4v5 defenses?

Grah. I'll be back for game 3.


If you think about it, EVERY game are won by mistakes

If you outplay someone, that means they made a mistake somewhere (not enough ward, failing a prediction, etc etc). When both team plays well, the game gets dragged on

In this G1 : GG vs NIP
NIP played super well early on
GG responded perfectly with the turtle

At some points, the game was even again. So who can win such a game? Obviously, the team that would do the first capital mistake is going to lose

The thing is, late game, doing a mistake is very costly since the respawn timers are super huge. You can do mistakes early on and try to turtle to come. Then its up to the leading team to find a way to close the game

There's a HUGE difference between getting outplayed, and making an unforced error.

Teamfight goes straight up 5v5, one team comes out ahead 5 for 3 because of some amazing pullback timing and landing their CC's better -- outplayed.
Teamfight starts, one of your members dives a full screen ahead of everyone else, then dies immediately and forces a 4v5 fight at dragon -- unforced error

Team moves back and forth between turrets and forces the enemy team to split up to defend the splitpush, then stacks up on one turret and knocks it down -- outplayed
Team moves through their own unwarded jungle trying to defend the turret, runs face first into the whole enemy team, dies, forces a 4v5 defense -- unforced error

The difference between getting outplayed and making a derp is whether the enemy's good play forced it, or you did something dumb and got punished for it. So far this weekend, there's been FAR more derping than there has been outplaying.
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
August 23 2013 16:01 GMT
#658
Despite the 3 kill advantage to NiP gold is quite even.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
August 23 2013 16:04 GMT
#659
Really don't see Nip winning this game, late game kayle > all.
Best Teemo World
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
August 23 2013 16:04 GMT
#660
10+ cs/minute Kayle is pretty stronk.
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