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On July 27 2013 12:08 gtrsrs wrote: You guys know Zunas brother is the coach right?
E: don't mean that to sound condescending. I thought it was genuinely common knowledge though His bro's twitter is pretty fucking funny.
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WTF. Can someone explain the Vulcan obsession with Mid inhib turret? They threw TWICE at mid inihib turret with an open inhib elsewhere. By the way, bot and top inhibs are both better to kill than mid.
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On July 27 2013 11:14 Neverhood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:09 BrownBear wrote:On July 27 2013 11:06 Lmui wrote: Zuna is realistically not an LCS caliber AD carry. He might be good enough to AD for a brazil/oceania team though, he should start looking at those options. He's fine apart from his positioning, honestly. Also at this point, I don't think there's really anyone Vulcun could grab as an upgrade, unless Brunch comes out of retirement or something. RobertxLee would be an upgrade I'd say, at least definitely worth a try for vulcun at this point. If it works out they have enough time left in the season to work on the team synergy going into playoffs.
Lattman is very good too from what I've seen. Then again, he's a solo queue hero, so I have no idea how good he'd be competitively.
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Replacing Zuna won't fix the judgement lapse that somehow led Vulcun into diving mid inhib turret 5v4 and just eating CC over and over until the tank line died.
Vulcun is suffering from team judgement and having no fucking clue how to methodically close out games. Yes, zuna is positioning poorly in teamfights. Yes, mancloud didn't get good ults that game. But the late game judgement problem is systemic, everything else is a symptom of the problem.
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On July 27 2013 16:55 sylverfyre wrote: Replacing Zuna won't fix the judgement lapse that somehow led Vulcun into diving mid inhib turret 5v4 and just eating CC over and over until the tank line died.
Vulcun is suffering from team judgement and having no fucking clue how to methodically close out games. Yes, zuna is positioning poorly in teamfights. Yes, mancloud didn't get good ults that game. But the late game judgement problem is systemic, everything else is a symptom of the problem.
yeah mancloud got charmed at bot inhib which started the comeback and after they killed link the mid inhib call was dumb if you have top and bot open... BUT when I watched that fight I couldn't help but notice that Zuna went full melee mode again eating unstoppable force>Death Sentence>flay meanwhile nobody on went on DL.
Vulcun should have won that fight 5v4 without Ahri at mid even if the call itself, to go mid, was terrible.
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I didn't get to watch Dig vs Curse live because of TROLLs, but holy crap did they just explode Cop and Nyjacky by jumping on them. I feel bad for Cop. :>
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On July 27 2013 11:08 Slow Motion wrote: The best part is: there is a decent chance that both teams in this game will end up representing NA at Worlds.
Honestly, this is pretty funny but here's why it may actually be ok. When Double was talking about Scarra as All-Star he said "Yes Scarra is good, but he straight copies international players and is inferior skill-wise to them so he will just be beaten" And then something to the effect of "I'd rather have Regi because even though he's not as mechanically strong he has a style that the Asians might not expect and there's a higher chance of success". As we saw, Scarra got stomped in mid almost every game at All-Stars.
Vulcan's scrappy and CLG's drag-it-to-lategame style may actually be more effective against the Asians at worlds than C9's "copied" style. Or at least one can hope.
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I don't think either of those teams are gonna beat out TSM in the end.
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On July 29 2013 15:29 ImmortalTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 11:08 Slow Motion wrote: The best part is: there is a decent chance that both teams in this game will end up representing NA at Worlds. Honestly, this is pretty funny but here's why it may actually be ok. When Double was talking about Scarra as All-Star he said "Yes Scarra is good, but he straight copies international players and is inferior skill-wise to them so he will just be beaten" And then something to the effect of "I'd rather have Regi because even though he's not as mechanically strong he has a style that the Asians might not expect and there's a higher chance of success". As we saw, Scarra got stomped in mid almost every game at All-Stars. Vulcan's scrappy and CLG's drag-it-to-lategame style may actually be more effective against the Asians at worlds than C9's "copied" style. Or at least one can hope. clg always did better against international teams compared to other na teams and always did worse against shitty teams, counter logic for a reason.
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I Don't know. c9 isn't really a strategy team, they are an execution team.
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Watching.
Velocity vs Curse is depressing. Well, that's only because I haven't applied the Dignitas treatment to Velocity yet, so I'm hoping for them to do well instead of treating their derps as the norm. Fighting with Varus ult down and Rumble dead despite the dragon having already been taken? Walking knowingly over Ori's ball to give Jacky a near-perfect ult? Going 4+dragon for 1? Meh, that's just... doesn't matter how good they play as long as they do random shit like this. Which is all the more heart-breaking. :/ I don't think I've ever seen Velocity recover after they've handed over their momentum.
I don't understand why TSM vs C9 was so overwhelmingly recommended. ._. Did I miss something? Looked like a standard C9 game, 'cept it took them longer than 5 minutes to go from "tiny advantage" to "game-ending lead". Pretty one-sided overall.
Dig got a legit baron versus Curse. I don't understand.
CLG and DL punished Vulcun so hard after the initial tower trade with DL freezing the wave near their bot inner turret, and Zuna unable to farm at all ends up at 47 vs 84 cs. ... also the throws, wtf. x_x I wouldn't have watched that had I known that it was recommended because of awful decision-making that makes me want to bang my head against the wall instead of laugh. Two open inhibs? Np, let's dive the last inhib tower up so we can lose instead of taking the free win. Zzz.
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On July 29 2013 22:33 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 15:29 ImmortalTofu wrote:On July 27 2013 11:08 Slow Motion wrote: The best part is: there is a decent chance that both teams in this game will end up representing NA at Worlds. Honestly, this is pretty funny but here's why it may actually be ok. When Double was talking about Scarra as All-Star he said "Yes Scarra is good, but he straight copies international players and is inferior skill-wise to them so he will just be beaten" And then something to the effect of "I'd rather have Regi because even though he's not as mechanically strong he has a style that the Asians might not expect and there's a higher chance of success". As we saw, Scarra got stomped in mid almost every game at All-Stars. Vulcan's scrappy and CLG's drag-it-to-lategame style may actually be more effective against the Asians at worlds than C9's "copied" style. Or at least one can hope. clg always did better against international teams compared to other na teams and always did worse against shitty teams, counter logic for a reason.
I don't really see CLG beating the Korean teams at Worlds when they will be against the best teams in Korea, arguably the strongest region in the world. Consistency is key in these tournaments which CLG is sorely lacking. Their decision making is highly questionable at times. Chauster may have been good at shotcalling before, but that was in a different era where taking objectives was less important. I can see C9 pulling through group stages and possibly making it decently far, but falling in the quarterfinals or so.
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On July 30 2013 00:37 Alaric wrote: Watching.
Velocity vs Curse is depressing. Well, that's only because I haven't applied the Dignitas treatment to Velocity yet, so I'm hoping for them to do well instead of treating their derps as the norm. Fighting with Varus ult down and Rumble dead despite the dragon having already been taken? Walking knowingly over Ori's ball to give Jacky a near-perfect ult? Going 4+dragon for 1? Meh, that's just... doesn't matter how good they play as long as they do random shit like this. Which is all the more heart-breaking. :/ I don't think I've ever seen Velocity recover after they've handed over their momentum.
I don't understand why TSM vs C9 was so overwhelmingly recommended. ._. Did I miss something? Looked like a standard C9 game, 'cept it took them longer than 5 minutes to go from "tiny advantage" to "game-ending lead". Pretty one-sided overall.
Dig got a legit baron versus Curse. I don't understand.
CLG and DL punished Vulcun so hard after the initial tower trade with DL freezing the wave near their bot inner turret, and Zuna unable to farm at all ends up at 47 vs 84 cs. ... also the throws, wtf. x_x I wouldn't have watched that had I known that it was recommended because of awful decision-making that makes me want to bang my head against the wall instead of laugh. Two open inhibs? Np, let's dive the last inhib tower up so we can lose instead of taking the free win. Zzz.
My average d1 euw soloq team has better decision making than most of those teams, but when eu has the ability to patiently and safely close games it gets bashed for wasting time, go figure...
On a side note, Jkap is annoyingly biased and clueless, his endless rant about MYM having to force fights when in fact NiP had to, so hard to bear..
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On July 30 2013 01:44 sataNik[pG] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 00:37 Alaric wrote: Watching.
Velocity vs Curse is depressing. Well, that's only because I haven't applied the Dignitas treatment to Velocity yet, so I'm hoping for them to do well instead of treating their derps as the norm. Fighting with Varus ult down and Rumble dead despite the dragon having already been taken? Walking knowingly over Ori's ball to give Jacky a near-perfect ult? Going 4+dragon for 1? Meh, that's just... doesn't matter how good they play as long as they do random shit like this. Which is all the more heart-breaking. :/ I don't think I've ever seen Velocity recover after they've handed over their momentum.
I don't understand why TSM vs C9 was so overwhelmingly recommended. ._. Did I miss something? Looked like a standard C9 game, 'cept it took them longer than 5 minutes to go from "tiny advantage" to "game-ending lead". Pretty one-sided overall.
Dig got a legit baron versus Curse. I don't understand.
CLG and DL punished Vulcun so hard after the initial tower trade with DL freezing the wave near their bot inner turret, and Zuna unable to farm at all ends up at 47 vs 84 cs. ... also the throws, wtf. x_x I wouldn't have watched that had I known that it was recommended because of awful decision-making that makes me want to bang my head against the wall instead of laugh. Two open inhibs? Np, let's dive the last inhib tower up so we can lose instead of taking the free win. Zzz. My average d1 euw soloq team has better decision making than most of those teams, but when eu has the ability to patiently and safely close games it gets bashed for wasting time, go figure... On a side note, Jkap is annoyingly biased and clueless, his endless rant about MYM having to force fights when in fact NiP had to, so hard to bear.. I think most of the "problems" with decision making and wasting time is just a difference in pressure. Its a lot easier to take risks when your laddering with friends then when your playing for your job. That said I do think teams can and should do better when it comes to closing out games and forcing their advantage.
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On July 30 2013 01:51 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 01:44 sataNik[pG] wrote:On July 30 2013 00:37 Alaric wrote: Watching.
Velocity vs Curse is depressing. Well, that's only because I haven't applied the Dignitas treatment to Velocity yet, so I'm hoping for them to do well instead of treating their derps as the norm. Fighting with Varus ult down and Rumble dead despite the dragon having already been taken? Walking knowingly over Ori's ball to give Jacky a near-perfect ult? Going 4+dragon for 1? Meh, that's just... doesn't matter how good they play as long as they do random shit like this. Which is all the more heart-breaking. :/ I don't think I've ever seen Velocity recover after they've handed over their momentum.
I don't understand why TSM vs C9 was so overwhelmingly recommended. ._. Did I miss something? Looked like a standard C9 game, 'cept it took them longer than 5 minutes to go from "tiny advantage" to "game-ending lead". Pretty one-sided overall.
Dig got a legit baron versus Curse. I don't understand.
CLG and DL punished Vulcun so hard after the initial tower trade with DL freezing the wave near their bot inner turret, and Zuna unable to farm at all ends up at 47 vs 84 cs. ... also the throws, wtf. x_x I wouldn't have watched that had I known that it was recommended because of awful decision-making that makes me want to bang my head against the wall instead of laugh. Two open inhibs? Np, let's dive the last inhib tower up so we can lose instead of taking the free win. Zzz. My average d1 euw soloq team has better decision making than most of those teams, but when eu has the ability to patiently and safely close games it gets bashed for wasting time, go figure... On a side note, Jkap is annoyingly biased and clueless, his endless rant about MYM having to force fights when in fact NiP had to, so hard to bear.. I think most of the "problems" with decision making and wasting time is just a difference in pressure. Its a lot easier to take risks when your laddering with friends then when your playing for your job. That said I do think teams can and should do better when it comes to closing out games and forcing their advantage.
I can understand when people playing for a job prefer to safely and slowly close a game, to avoid risks. What is beyond me is brainafk moves like Vulcun's "2 open inhibs, creeps 2 seconds behind, lets lets tank full life mid tower with full mr+sunfire shen because 40 seconds fed ahri death timer requires immense diving"
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On July 30 2013 00:59 Kontossis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 22:33 Artok wrote:On July 29 2013 15:29 ImmortalTofu wrote:On July 27 2013 11:08 Slow Motion wrote: The best part is: there is a decent chance that both teams in this game will end up representing NA at Worlds. Honestly, this is pretty funny but here's why it may actually be ok. When Double was talking about Scarra as All-Star he said "Yes Scarra is good, but he straight copies international players and is inferior skill-wise to them so he will just be beaten" And then something to the effect of "I'd rather have Regi because even though he's not as mechanically strong he has a style that the Asians might not expect and there's a higher chance of success". As we saw, Scarra got stomped in mid almost every game at All-Stars. Vulcan's scrappy and CLG's drag-it-to-lategame style may actually be more effective against the Asians at worlds than C9's "copied" style. Or at least one can hope. clg always did better against international teams compared to other na teams and always did worse against shitty teams, counter logic for a reason. I don't really see CLG beating the Korean teams at Worlds when they will be against the best teams in Korea, arguably the strongest region in the world. Consistency is key in these tournaments which CLG is sorely lacking. Their decision making is highly questionable at times. Chauster may have been good at shotcalling before, but that was in a different era where taking objectives was less important. I can see C9 pulling through group stages and possibly making it decently far, but falling in the quarterfinals or so. Depends if Najin Sword squeezes into worlds instead of a team that has performed well at all for the past 6 months. I could see CLG beating Sword, given sword's current state.
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On July 30 2013 11:17 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 00:59 Kontossis wrote:On July 29 2013 22:33 Artok wrote:On July 29 2013 15:29 ImmortalTofu wrote:On July 27 2013 11:08 Slow Motion wrote: The best part is: there is a decent chance that both teams in this game will end up representing NA at Worlds. Honestly, this is pretty funny but here's why it may actually be ok. When Double was talking about Scarra as All-Star he said "Yes Scarra is good, but he straight copies international players and is inferior skill-wise to them so he will just be beaten" And then something to the effect of "I'd rather have Regi because even though he's not as mechanically strong he has a style that the Asians might not expect and there's a higher chance of success". As we saw, Scarra got stomped in mid almost every game at All-Stars. Vulcan's scrappy and CLG's drag-it-to-lategame style may actually be more effective against the Asians at worlds than C9's "copied" style. Or at least one can hope. clg always did better against international teams compared to other na teams and always did worse against shitty teams, counter logic for a reason. I don't really see CLG beating the Korean teams at Worlds when they will be against the best teams in Korea, arguably the strongest region in the world. Consistency is key in these tournaments which CLG is sorely lacking. Their decision making is highly questionable at times. Chauster may have been good at shotcalling before, but that was in a different era where taking objectives was less important. I can see C9 pulling through group stages and possibly making it decently far, but falling in the quarterfinals or so. Depends if Najin Sword squeezes into worlds instead of a team that has performed well at all for the past 6 months. I could see CLG beating Sword, given sword's current state.
If we have a Blaze/Frost vs Ozone finals, with one of the CJ teams winning they're out. But otherwise they are guaranteed 2nd place, I think.
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