EPT[NA LCS] Super Week 10 - Page 39
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:11 wei2coolman wrote: Was there anyone even qualified for Manager other than Liquid? Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:12 nafta wrote: Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it. Could be all part of the plan... Drama = advertising. Dat Curse regiment; pretty rigorous. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:13 wei2coolman wrote: Could be all part of the plan... Drama = advertising. Inb4 dyrus flipping tables on saint's stream. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:12 nafta wrote: Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it. Dumb drama aside he's still the best example of an NA coach/manager. And that's him being good at it not just the lack of competition. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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daSilvaz
809 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:06 wei2coolman wrote: Insulting to Cop imo... Yellowpete mechanically worse imo. But, Froggen also wayyy more greedy than Nyjacky. Their comp didn't have that amazing group disengage; so if you get caught, can be hard to kite away. Wasnt comparing them in terms of skill, more like interaction with the scene in general | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:17 overt wrote: LiQuid is also the only manager of a team that actually played as a pro (although yeah, he was awful but still). I wonder how much of that affects his coaching; I think what he does is be strict with them; and motivates them to play. I don't know how much strategic/gameplay input he actually has on the team. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:14 onlywonderboy wrote: Dumb drama aside he's still the best example of an NA coach/manager. And that's him being good at it not just the lack of competition. Pretty sure he's the only one in NA teams that actually do stuff and doesn't just follow what the players say. His role will be very important for that NA team, getting everyone onboard with his training regime and not letting players step on him. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:20 wei2coolman wrote: I wonder how much of that affects his coaching; I think what he does is be strict with them; and motivates them to play. I don't know how much strategic/gameplay input he actually has on the team. I doubt he has much strategic input. The only role he played was support and he was really bad at it. But it does mean that he can actually relate to them and understands the team atmosphere better than other managers do. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:26 onlywonderboy wrote: They won't let Daydreamin take Vulcun to Hook City Discrimination against hookers, I'll bet | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:10 overt wrote: I really don't think CS is as important when you're running Ashe or Varus to be honest. You make up for CS deficits by being significantly more useful in team fights with your utility. In fact, someone like Cop who generally gets out CS'd and doesn't deal as much damage in fights is better off playing Ashe or Varus imo because of their utility. I sincerely feel you guys are crazy when anything like this remotely said. It makes absolutely no sense why anyone would say any form or variation of "cs is not important as..." If the opponent was a stronger team, you can be sure cop's CS differential would have been pointed out. As I said earlier, Ashe's ult is so risky that if he didn't get as lucky as he did, that CS would've been a huge factor in the overall game. This is about overall game strategy vs short team fights. You can be sure his team taking his cs while he is trying to farm would become a huge issue when dealing with better teams such as what they will end up playing against soon in the LCS tourney. I pointed it out because even though the game was going in their favor, the fact that they'd be taking away cs from their ADC is really odd to me. Especially when that ADC did not have a good early game. I don't understand how it cannot be a big deal when you look at their overall strategy. It might even be a reason why Cop has such a hard time with other teams. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:38 ketchup wrote: I sincerely feel you guys are crazy when anything like this remotely said. It makes absolutely no sense why anyone would say any form or variation of "cs is not important as..." If the opponent was a stronger team, you can be sure cop's CS differential would have been pointed out. As I said earlier, Ashe's ult is so risky that if he didn't get as lucky as he did, that CS would've been a huge factor in the overall game. This is about overall game strategy vs short team fights. You can be sure his team taking his cs while he is trying to farm would become a huge issue when dealing with better teams such as what they will end up playing against soon in the LCS tourney. I pointed it out because even though the game was going in their favor, the fact that they'd be taking away cs from their ADC is really odd to me. Especially when that ADC did not have a good early game. I don't understand how it cannot be a big deal when you look at their overall strategy. It might even be a reason why Cop has such a hard time with other teams. It's not that CS isn't important on an ADC, it's just that it's not as important on ADCs with utility like Ashe and Varus. An Ashe with lower CS is much more useful than Vayne with lower CS. Voy was playing Riven so he was doing damage and Jacky was incredibly strong. They may have taken some unneeded CS, but they were using it well and Cop was still able to contribute with ECA. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:36 onlywonderboy wrote: Oh god, that season pass joke...I didn't realize Wombat was casting the LCS. FINE WITH IT. Thank you Phreak. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On April 19 2013 08:38 ketchup wrote: I sincerely feel you guys are crazy when anything like this remotely said. It makes absolutely no sense why anyone would say any form or variation of "cs is not important as..." If the opponent was a stronger team, you can be sure cop's CS differential would have been pointed out. As I said earlier, Ashe's ult is so risky that if he didn't get as lucky as he did, that CS would've been a huge factor in the overall game. This is about overall game strategy vs short team fights. You can be sure his team taking his cs while he is trying to farm would become a huge issue when dealing with better teams such as what they will end up playing against soon in the LCS tourney. I pointed it out because even though the game was going in their favor, the fact that they'd be taking away cs from their ADC is really odd to me. Especially when that ADC did not have a good early game. I don't understand how it cannot be a big deal when you look at their overall strategy. It might even be a reason why Cop has such a hard time with other teams. Yeah I never said it wasn't important. But if you pick something like Ashe or Varus being 20 CS behind really isn't as big of a deal. Someone like Cop who routinely gets out CS'd can mask his CS deficits by playing champions like this. If you're playing Varus and you're up against a Graves who has 30 more CS than you he will deal more damage, sure, but your ult and E offers a lot more to the team fight than the 30 CS advantage that Graves has (edit: although Graves might be a bad example since his W is really strong in fights but w/e). Ideally Cop would play Ashe or Varus and have even CS with his opponents. Also if you use proper Ashe ults it really isn't luck. Imo Ashe ult is best used as a second CC after your teams engage or as a counter engage. It's still a decent stun at short range and the AoE slow it provides is huge in a team fight. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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