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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 18 2013 23:11 GMT
#761
Was there anyone even qualified for Manager other than Liquid?
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 18 2013 23:12 GMT
#762
On April 19 2013 08:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Was there anyone even qualified for Manager other than Liquid?


Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 23:14:23
April 18 2013 23:13 GMT
#763
On April 19 2013 08:12 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Was there anyone even qualified for Manager other than Liquid?


Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it.

Could be all part of the plan... Drama = advertising.

Dat Curse regiment; pretty rigorous.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 18 2013 23:14 GMT
#764
On April 19 2013 08:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:12 nafta wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Was there anyone even qualified for Manager other than Liquid?


Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it.

Could be all part of the plan... Drama = advertising.


Inb4 dyrus flipping tables on saint's stream.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 18 2013 23:14 GMT
#765
On April 19 2013 08:12 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Was there anyone even qualified for Manager other than Liquid?


Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it.

Dumb drama aside he's still the best example of an NA coach/manager. And that's him being good at it not just the lack of competition.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 18 2013 23:17 GMT
#766
LiQuid is also the only manager of a team that actually played as a pro (although yeah, he was awful but still).
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
April 18 2013 23:20 GMT
#767
On April 19 2013 08:06 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:05 daSilvaz wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:03 Nitan wrote:
On April 19 2013 07:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Cop so beasty.


This might be the first time anyone has said this.

Cop is like the yellowpete of US, very consistent and underrated imo

Insulting to Cop imo... Yellowpete mechanically worse imo. But, Froggen also wayyy more greedy than Nyjacky.

Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:06 Zahki wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:02 wei2coolman wrote:
I think too many people will say that it was Marn "throwing", but if you look at it logically, that was what Curse's comp was DESIGNED to do.


It was a team comp for catching people out, but that doesn't mean MRN couldn't avoid being caught out.


Their comp didn't have that amazing group disengage; so if you get caught, can be hard to kite away.

Wasnt comparing them in terms of skill, more like interaction with the scene in general
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 18 2013 23:20 GMT
#768
On April 19 2013 08:17 overt wrote:
LiQuid is also the only manager of a team that actually played as a pro (although yeah, he was awful but still).

I wonder how much of that affects his coaching; I think what he does is be strict with them; and motivates them to play. I don't know how much strategic/gameplay input he actually has on the team.
liftlift > tsm
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
April 18 2013 23:21 GMT
#769
On April 19 2013 08:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:12 nafta wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Was there anyone even qualified for Manager other than Liquid?


Considering tthis is the guy who let his guys post vlogs calling each other out.......I doubt it.

Dumb drama aside he's still the best example of an NA coach/manager. And that's him being good at it not just the lack of competition.

Pretty sure he's the only one in NA teams that actually do stuff and doesn't just follow what the players say. His role will be very important for that NA team, getting everyone onboard with his training regime and not letting players step on him.
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 18 2013 23:23 GMT
#770
On April 19 2013 08:20 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:17 overt wrote:
LiQuid is also the only manager of a team that actually played as a pro (although yeah, he was awful but still).

I wonder how much of that affects his coaching; I think what he does is be strict with them; and motivates them to play. I don't know how much strategic/gameplay input he actually has on the team.


I doubt he has much strategic input. The only role he played was support and he was really bad at it.

But it does mean that he can actually relate to them and understands the team atmosphere better than other managers do.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 18 2013 23:26 GMT
#771
They won't let Daydreamin take Vulcun to Hook City
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 18 2013 23:29 GMT
#772
On April 19 2013 08:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
They won't let Daydreamin take Vulcun to Hook City

Discrimination against hookers, I'll bet
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
April 18 2013 23:29 GMT
#773
That pause timing.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
April 18 2013 23:30 GMT
#774
If Curse loses one more game and TSM goes 5-0, they go even. Omg TSM, blow my mind please
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 18 2013 23:36 GMT
#775
Oh god, that season pass joke...I didn't realize Wombat was casting the LCS.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 23:41:17
April 18 2013 23:38 GMT
#776
On April 19 2013 08:10 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:00 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 19 2013 07:58 ketchup wrote:
On April 19 2013 07:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Jeez, even Cop gets malph ulted, and still lands arrow on nientonsoh; what a fucking beast.


yea, nevermind about my Cop statement earlier about him playing Ashe. He was definitely on point with so many of those arrows.

#1 Arrows NA.

Also in terms of farm; sure Cop wasn't same farm level as Nien; but he was keepign on track with Ecco. Considering how damage allocations worked out for both teams; Cop's lower level of farm was not detrimental to Curse, because it was being allocated to nyjacky.

Excited to see Liquid112 interview.


I really don't think CS is as important when you're running Ashe or Varus to be honest. You make up for CS deficits by being significantly more useful in team fights with your utility.

In fact, someone like Cop who generally gets out CS'd and doesn't deal as much damage in fights is better off playing Ashe or Varus imo because of their utility.


I sincerely feel you guys are crazy when anything like this remotely said. It makes absolutely no sense why anyone would say any form or variation of "cs is not important as..." If the opponent was a stronger team, you can be sure cop's CS differential would have been pointed out.

As I said earlier, Ashe's ult is so risky that if he didn't get as lucky as he did, that CS would've been a huge factor in the overall game. This is about overall game strategy vs short team fights. You can be sure his team taking his cs while he is trying to farm would become a huge issue when dealing with better teams such as what they will end up playing against soon in the LCS tourney. I pointed it out because even though the game was going in their favor, the fact that they'd be taking away cs from their ADC is really odd to me. Especially when that ADC did not have a good early game. I don't understand how it cannot be a big deal when you look at their overall strategy. It might even be a reason why Cop has such a hard time with other teams.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 23:46:54
April 18 2013 23:43 GMT
#777
That was some pretty sick disengage on GGU's part.
On April 19 2013 08:38 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:10 overt wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:00 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 19 2013 07:58 ketchup wrote:
On April 19 2013 07:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Jeez, even Cop gets malph ulted, and still lands arrow on nientonsoh; what a fucking beast.


yea, nevermind about my Cop statement earlier about him playing Ashe. He was definitely on point with so many of those arrows.

#1 Arrows NA.

Also in terms of farm; sure Cop wasn't same farm level as Nien; but he was keepign on track with Ecco. Considering how damage allocations worked out for both teams; Cop's lower level of farm was not detrimental to Curse, because it was being allocated to nyjacky.

Excited to see Liquid112 interview.


I really don't think CS is as important when you're running Ashe or Varus to be honest. You make up for CS deficits by being significantly more useful in team fights with your utility.

In fact, someone like Cop who generally gets out CS'd and doesn't deal as much damage in fights is better off playing Ashe or Varus imo because of their utility.


I sincerely feel you guys are crazy when anything like this remotely said. It makes absolutely no sense why anyone would say any form or variation of "cs is not important as..." If the opponent was a stronger team, you can be sure cop's CS differential would have been pointed out.

As I said earlier, Ashe's ult is so risky that if he didn't get as lucky as he did, that CS would've been a huge factor in the overall game. This is about overall game strategy vs short team fights. You can be sure his team taking his cs while he is trying to farm would become a huge issue when dealing with better teams such as what they will end up playing against soon in the LCS tourney. I pointed it out because even though the game was going in their favor, the fact that they'd be taking away cs from their ADC is really odd to me. Especially when that ADC did not have a good early game. I don't understand how it cannot be a big deal when you look at their overall strategy. It might even be a reason why Cop has such a hard time with other teams.

It's not that CS isn't important on an ADC, it's just that it's not as important on ADCs with utility like Ashe and Varus. An Ashe with lower CS is much more useful than Vayne with lower CS. Voy was playing Riven so he was doing damage and Jacky was incredibly strong. They may have taken some unneeded CS, but they were using it well and Cop was still able to contribute with ECA.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 18 2013 23:45 GMT
#778
On April 19 2013 08:36 onlywonderboy wrote:
Oh god, that season pass joke...I didn't realize Wombat was casting the LCS.


FINE WITH IT. Thank you Phreak.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-18 23:57:53
April 18 2013 23:54 GMT
#779
On April 19 2013 08:38 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 08:10 overt wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:00 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 19 2013 07:58 ketchup wrote:
On April 19 2013 07:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Jeez, even Cop gets malph ulted, and still lands arrow on nientonsoh; what a fucking beast.


yea, nevermind about my Cop statement earlier about him playing Ashe. He was definitely on point with so many of those arrows.

#1 Arrows NA.

Also in terms of farm; sure Cop wasn't same farm level as Nien; but he was keepign on track with Ecco. Considering how damage allocations worked out for both teams; Cop's lower level of farm was not detrimental to Curse, because it was being allocated to nyjacky.

Excited to see Liquid112 interview.


I really don't think CS is as important when you're running Ashe or Varus to be honest. You make up for CS deficits by being significantly more useful in team fights with your utility.

In fact, someone like Cop who generally gets out CS'd and doesn't deal as much damage in fights is better off playing Ashe or Varus imo because of their utility.


I sincerely feel you guys are crazy when anything like this remotely said. It makes absolutely no sense why anyone would say any form or variation of "cs is not important as..." If the opponent was a stronger team, you can be sure cop's CS differential would have been pointed out.

As I said earlier, Ashe's ult is so risky that if he didn't get as lucky as he did, that CS would've been a huge factor in the overall game. This is about overall game strategy vs short team fights. You can be sure his team taking his cs while he is trying to farm would become a huge issue when dealing with better teams such as what they will end up playing against soon in the LCS tourney. I pointed it out because even though the game was going in their favor, the fact that they'd be taking away cs from their ADC is really odd to me. Especially when that ADC did not have a good early game. I don't understand how it cannot be a big deal when you look at their overall strategy. It might even be a reason why Cop has such a hard time with other teams.


Yeah I never said it wasn't important. But if you pick something like Ashe or Varus being 20 CS behind really isn't as big of a deal. Someone like Cop who routinely gets out CS'd can mask his CS deficits by playing champions like this.

If you're playing Varus and you're up against a Graves who has 30 more CS than you he will deal more damage, sure, but your ult and E offers a lot more to the team fight than the 30 CS advantage that Graves has (edit: although Graves might be a bad example since his W is really strong in fights but w/e).

Ideally Cop would play Ashe or Varus and have even CS with his opponents.

Also if you use proper Ashe ults it really isn't luck. Imo Ashe ult is best used as a second CC after your teams engage or as a counter engage. It's still a decent stun at short range and the AoE slow it provides is huge in a team fight.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
April 19 2013 00:06 GMT
#780
Poll: Recommend Vul vs GGU Week 10?

Yes (3)
 
75%

If you have time (1)
 
25%

No (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Vul vs GGU Week 10?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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