Curse mostly plays compLexity, GGU and has only one head-to-head with Dignitas left, while Dig mostly plays Marn and GGU iirc. So... yeah. If it keeps going as it has (Curse losses being a huge upset while Dig seems shaky at times where they shouldn't, including againt the bottom 3), I don't see Dig catching up, sadly (they should get the 2nd spot over TSM pretty "easily" though).
If CLG had not been so super arrogant people would not have given them that much shit. Honestly, I dont even think it was that harsh considering that. Maybe one of the things they should learn is to respect others.
CLG should win the first game. Curse should take down GGU. TSM should beat Vulcan. The only match I really look forward to is MRN vs col and I hope MRN takes it
Nice Lux ult and two very nice flashes to dodge by coL! This game is definitely fun to watch, even though I dislike this beginning very much as a CLG fan.
On April 05 2013 05:27 Xacez wrote: That tower dive so good, also Lux laser missing what?
Link gets benched because they clearly lost the level 1 fight because Lux rooted the wrong targets.
tbh it's just that clg was retarded to thinnk that their lvl 1 beat a zyra, varus, zigs and shen taunt combo
wouldn't have mattered who he rooted because the way they ran in zyra and shen hit 3-4 people and zigs aoe well... didn't help that col had 3 red pots either.
On April 05 2013 05:28 AsnSensation wrote: on the other side I'm gonna laugh so hard if clg manages to win this.
Still a clg fan at heart and fuck col and prolly betraying our fellow gtrs^^
If anyone can carry CLG to victory, it's doublelift.
I feel CLG has a very good shot at wining this game since team like CoL is at the bottom for a reason. They are just not consistent enough to hold on to their lead and finish the game. CLG while Hotshot is terrbile but they still got the experience and DL
On April 05 2013 05:27 Xacez wrote: That tower dive so good, also Lux laser missing what?
Link gets benched because they clearly lost the level 1 fight because Lux rooted the wrong targets.
tbh it's just that clg was retarded to thinnk that their lvl 1 beat a zyra, varus, zigs and shen taunt combo
wouldn't have mattered who he rooted because the way they ran in zyra and shen hit 3-4 people and zigs aoe well... didn't help that col had 3 red pots either.
LInk having taken part in 0 kills as Lux is a bit weird. Hm I guess CLG really needs Doublelift to get fed and carry the teamfights, but Khazix is doing so well that considering that Twitch has nothing to stop him... I have no idea what Doublelift is planning on doing to avoid getting instabursted.
Also just now Doublelift just straight suicided wtf? Free teamfight victory, probably baron now.
Lolol what the heck. HSGG master baiting them at Baron stalling them so they get low even though he dies. Then Chauster goes in on low health Baron thinking he can solo it he dies when CoL turns on him. That baits CoL into trying to do Baron again but Link has come up by this time and steals Baron.
On April 05 2013 05:45 nafta wrote: The col support is pretty bad.He doesn't even know what items to build.
I mean Zyra has good ratios, Morello's isn't that bad of a pick up depending on what the team wants to do. This time they wanted a semi-carry instead of an aura bot.
On April 05 2013 05:45 nafta wrote: The col support is pretty bad.He doesn't even know what items to build.
I mean Zyra has good ratios, Morello's isn't that bad of a pick up depending on what the team wants to do. This time they wanted a semi-carry instead of an aura bot.
It's zyra against lux mid.History tells us he will get sniped soon multiple times in a row.Also aegis>morelonomicon without mpen on a supp.
On April 05 2013 05:47 Louuster wrote: Brian Wyllie @TSMTheOddOne 3m Our tv cut out after Chauster died soloing Baron, then somehow CLG gets baron, counter logic op
Alex Chu @TSMXpecial 3m All planned. #lcs
Crs Nyjacky @CrsNyjacky 3m Chauster tried to throw..but link's lux too stronk..
tyler spesick @eccoLoL 4m WTF JUST HAPPENED #LCS
Crs Saintvicious @CrsStvicious 4m What am I watching
On April 05 2013 05:47 Louuster wrote: Brian Wyllie @TSMTheOddOne 3m Our tv cut out after Chauster died soloing Baron, then somehow CLG gets baron, counter logic op
Alex Chu @TSMXpecial 3m All planned. #lcs
Crs Nyjacky @CrsNyjacky 3m Chauster tried to throw..but link's lux too stronk..
tyler spesick @eccoLoL 4m WTF JUST HAPPENED #LCS
Crs Saintvicious @CrsStvicious 4m What am I watching
On April 05 2013 06:00 nafta wrote: Aphromoo and chauster are playing like absolute trash this game.Really pathetic showing.HSGG somehow kind of came back in the game at least lol.
TBH HSGG wasn't really the reason why they lost, he came back quite nicely after having such a terrible start.. Shen was camping him hardcore and Chauster didn't take advantage of this trying to help other lanes.
I'm suprised the LCS casters actually pointed out how one sided (ability wise) the lvl1 fight really was and how that the choice to even fight basically ended the game, usually they try to sugar coat it more than that.
On April 05 2013 06:03 nafta wrote: Aphro landed a grand total of 1 hooks and it was in lane unless I am mistaken.
I am pretty sure he landed one on Varus in the midlane nto too long after they took the mid outer turret. Not that it makes his Thresh any less terrible.
ROFL that brush trap at the end what the hell happened ? I want to see the replay, the trap wasn't a bad idea but they just did ... nothing of it ? They could have the perfect engage on varus and they didn't engage anyone and just let themselves being blown up.
Level 1 really snowballed that game. Link played very well again, Double and Aphro did well in lane but Aphro needs to land more hooks. Hotshot was in a really tough spot all game but I still think he played OK. Chauster was... really bad. There isn't a player I respect more than Chauster, but this game (and to a lesser degree the past few weeks) was brutal to watch.
And that trap at the end? I don't get it, they didn't even have a ward for HS to TP too and obviously coL was going to kill the wave. Chauster just panic went in after the seed got tossed in.
This Lux/J4/hyper carry with a tank + support seems to be pretty strong, CLG is very close to winning games/teamfights that they have no business winning.
On April 05 2013 06:07 RouaF wrote: ROFL that brush trap at the end what the hell happened ? I want to see the replay, the trap wasn't a bad idea but they just did ... nothing of it ? They could have the perfect engage on varus and they didn't engage anyone and just let themselves being blown up.
They seemed to ambush an enemy team with baron 4v5.
On April 05 2013 06:05 Lylat wrote: TBH HSGG wasn't really the reason why they lost, he came back quite nicely after having such a terrible start.. Shen was camping him hardcore and Chauster didn't take advantage of this trying to help other lanes.
It was a combination of Chauster and Aphromoo though. I thought Chauster tried to go into bot lane a bunch, but Aphromoo almost never landed any hooks or hard initiation, which made it difficult for Chauster to get anything done.
On April 05 2013 06:08 Mazzi wrote: Chauster= Horrid, Link= Really bad Lux, HSGG= bad, Aphro= bad, Dlift please find a new team. You are wasting your talent
On April 05 2013 06:08 Mazzi wrote: Chauster= Horrid, Link= Really bad Lux, HSGG= bad, Aphro= bad, Dlift please find a new team. You are wasting your talent
Link played decently.Really unfair to hate on him considering he started vs chalice ziggs and still was more farmed/useful in the end.
On April 05 2013 06:05 Lylat wrote: TBH HSGG wasn't really the reason why they lost, he came back quite nicely after having such a terrible start.. Shen was camping him hardcore and Chauster didn't take advantage of this trying to help other lanes.
It was a combination of Chauster and Aphromoo though. I thought Chauster tried to go into bot lane a bunch, but Aphromoo almost never landed any hooks or hard initiation, which made it difficult for Chauster to get anything done.
its not the only problem, it seemed chauster had some technical issues or smth, he would randomly stop doing stuff and just stand in place ;O Maybe brain crash, who knows.
On April 05 2013 06:09 Mensol wrote: i wonder what Neo is thinking! He is the CLG's fan representative on TL imo
These games look worse then they are. Most teams would have lost in 25 minutes after the start CLG had. CLG manages to comp/stretch the games out way longer than they usually go. It makes the game look rough, but it's them sticking in a game that most teams would have already lost.
On April 05 2013 06:09 Mensol wrote: i wonder what Neo is thinking! He is the CLG's fan representative on TL imo
These games look worse then they are. Most teams would have lost in 25 minutes after the start CLG had. CLG manages to comp/stretch the games out way longer than they usually go. It makes the game look rough, but it's them sticking in a game that most teams would have already lost.
I'd say it's more of col not doing much but I guess I am a hater by nature :D.
On April 05 2013 06:07 RouaF wrote: ROFL that brush trap at the end what the hell happened ? I want to see the replay, the trap wasn't a bad idea but they just did ... nothing of it ? They could have the perfect engage on varus and they didn't engage anyone and just let themselves being blown up.
They seemed to ambush an enemy team with baron 4v5.
"wasn't a bad idea" - Disagree.
Yeah well it was like... their only chance lol. They clearly couldn't defend that push in a straight up fight since they had no turrets. With coordinated cc they can one shot varus and hotshot had tp. They just executed it very very very poorly.
Link played decently in lane considering prolly was 2/0/2 with a 2min chalice and obviously his huge baron, on the other hand I remember at least 3 instances where he was out of positiion and got instagibbed at the start of the teamfight.
Once at the end and flash was up after he died, one time flash taunt shen at top inhib and once in a teamfight at botlane tier 2 turret.
Is there more to it than Prolly getting an offer to go pro and turning cloak? Mildly scumbaggy to not stick with the team but I can't really blame him.
On April 05 2013 06:14 Chrispy wrote: What's gtr's side of the story?
Is there more to it than Prolly getting an offer to go pro and turning cloak? Mildly scumbaggy to not stick with the team but I can't really blame him.
absolutely no notice given to gtrsrs; especially 1 week before a major LAN for Velocity.
As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
On April 05 2013 06:09 Mensol wrote: i wonder what Neo is thinking! He is the CLG's fan representative on TL imo
These games look worse then they are. Most teams would have lost in 25 minutes after the start CLG had. CLG manages to comp/stretch the games out way longer than they usually go. It makes the game look rough, but it's them sticking in a game that most teams would have already lost.
yes, hotshot waving his dick around inside the enemy base, while col goes and takes baron was REAL SKILLFUL<sarcasm>.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
No We wasnt blame prolly for his leaving. Its the manner of the leave that bother people here in TL. Changing teams is very normal for players but quit your team without a head-up to their manager esp just week before an important LAN is really a dick move.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
Not giving in a notice is a scumbag move, no matter what way you put it.
On April 05 2013 06:09 Mensol wrote: i wonder what Neo is thinking! He is the CLG's fan representative on TL imo
These games look worse then they are. Most teams would have lost in 25 minutes after the start CLG had. CLG manages to comp/stretch the games out way longer than they usually go. It makes the game look rough, but it's them sticking in a game that most teams would have already lost.
yes, hotshot waving his dick around inside the enemy base, while col goes and takes baron was REAL SKILLFUL<sarcasm>.
Not sure what you want to discuss/debate with me, or maybe you just wanna spew some upboats to the left style bandwagon hatred. Anything you actually want to have intelligently discuss?
On April 05 2013 06:07 RouaF wrote: ROFL that brush trap at the end what the hell happened ? I want to see the replay, the trap wasn't a bad idea but they just did ... nothing of it ? They could have the perfect engage on varus and they didn't engage anyone and just let themselves being blown up.
They seemed to ambush an enemy team with baron 4v5.
"wasn't a bad idea" - Disagree.
They were still in a shit situation but their only chance at that point was blowing up a couple of threats quickly and using numbers to close it out. They were never going to survive turtiling at nexus.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
No We wasnt blame prolly for his leaving. Its the manner of the leave that bother people here in TL. Changing teams is very normal for players but quit your team without a head-up to their manager esp just week before an important LAN is really a dick move.
How long do you expect his invitation/opportunity to the LCS would have lasted? He had a chance, a race chance, to join an LCS team and he took it. Nothing he could do to control the timing of when he would get that opportunity.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
No We wasnt blame prolly for his leaving. Its the manner of the leave that bother people here in TL. Changing teams is very normal for players but quit your team without a head-up to their manager esp just week before an important LAN is really a dick move.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
Not giving in a notice is a scumbag move, no matter what way you put it.
I see. I was misunderstanding here then. I thought it was the move itself that was upsetting people. I can understand the idea that no notice/ no information was given which is definitely immature to do with any organization.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
So fuck cortesy, because money talks. If u were volunteer for a charity serving soup to the poor and youre the guy who picks up the vegies because ure the only who has a big car, another company contracts you and you have to move, you just leave them without saying anything?
On April 05 2013 06:07 RouaF wrote: ROFL that brush trap at the end what the hell happened ? I want to see the replay, the trap wasn't a bad idea but they just did ... nothing of it ? They could have the perfect engage on varus and they didn't engage anyone and just let themselves being blown up.
They seemed to ambush an enemy team with baron 4v5.
"wasn't a bad idea" - Disagree.
They were still in a shit situation but their only chance at that point was blowing up a couple of threats quickly and using numbers to close it out. They were never going to survive turtiling at nexus.
They could sit in their base in the fountain and wait for 3 inhibs of creeps to pile up on a towerless nexus I guess. You have to take risks when massively behind. Sure you might end up looking silly, (really should have brought a ward, nice check on the bush by MIA, etc...) but it's better to take a chance on coming back and looking dumb than it is to sit back and just lose.
I mean, people who have no idea what they are watching will think it's dumb, but LCS teams are (hopefully) not in the business of looking good for the mindless masses, they are in the business of winning games.
edit: Quoted you but mostly directed at the same person you responded to.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
So fuck cortesy, because money talks. If u were volunteer for a charity serving soup to the poor and youre the guy who picks up the vegies because ure the only who has a big car, another company contracts you and you have to move, you just leave them without saying anything?
lol i don't even know what type of analogy this is.
Just see my response above if you need more clarification. I was misunderstanding the reasoning which is definitely my fault.
On April 05 2013 06:09 Mensol wrote: i wonder what Neo is thinking! He is the CLG's fan representative on TL imo
These games look worse then they are. Most teams would have lost in 25 minutes after the start CLG had. CLG manages to comp/stretch the games out way longer than they usually go. It makes the game look rough, but it's them sticking in a game that most teams would have already lost.
yes, hotshot waving his dick around inside the enemy base, while col goes and takes baron was REAL SKILLFUL<sarcasm>.
You can't see what he was trying to do there? You do realize he had teleport.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
So fuck cortesy, because money talks. If u were volunteer for a charity serving soup to the poor and youre the guy who picks up the vegies because ure the only who has a big car, another company contracts you and you have to move, you just leave them without saying anything?
Dont be a drama queen. Noone will go hungry because of this lol.
On April 05 2013 06:07 RouaF wrote: ROFL that brush trap at the end what the hell happened ? I want to see the replay, the trap wasn't a bad idea but they just did ... nothing of it ? They could have the perfect engage on varus and they didn't engage anyone and just let themselves being blown up.
They seemed to ambush an enemy team with baron 4v5.
"wasn't a bad idea" - Disagree.
They were still in a shit situation but their only chance at that point was blowing up a couple of threats quickly and using numbers to close it out. They were never going to survive turtiling at nexus.
They could sit in their base in the fountain and wait for 3 inhibs of creeps to pile up on a towerless nexus I guess. You have to take risks when massively behind. Sure you might end up looking silly, (really should have brought a ward, nice check on the bush by MIA, etc...) but it's better to take a chance on coming back and looking dumb than it is to sit back and just lose.
I mean, people who have no idea what they are watching will think it's dumb, but LCS teams are (hopefully) not in the business of looking good for the mindless masses, they are in the business of winning games.
edit: Quoted you but mostly directed at the same person you responded to.
It actually might have worked, but Chauster completely whiffed his combo and hit nothing. DL might have blown up Brunch while there was still a minion for HSGG to Tele to.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
So fuck cortesy, because money talks. If u were volunteer for a charity serving soup to the poor and youre the guy who picks up the vegies because ure the only who has a big car, another company contracts you and you have to move, you just leave them without saying anything?
Dont be a drama queen. Noone will go hungry because of this lol.
Slightly melodramatic, but the point is that you have to be professional when leaving an organization even if they're not paying you. Can't argue against that really.
On April 05 2013 06:07 RouaF wrote: ROFL that brush trap at the end what the hell happened ? I want to see the replay, the trap wasn't a bad idea but they just did ... nothing of it ? They could have the perfect engage on varus and they didn't engage anyone and just let themselves being blown up.
They seemed to ambush an enemy team with baron 4v5.
"wasn't a bad idea" - Disagree.
They were still in a shit situation but their only chance at that point was blowing up a couple of threats quickly and using numbers to close it out. They were never going to survive turtiling at nexus.
They could sit in their base in the fountain and wait for 3 inhibs of creeps to pile up on a towerless nexus I guess. You have to take risks when massively behind. Sure you might end up looking silly, (really should have brought a ward, nice check on the bush by MIA, etc...) but it's better to take a chance on coming back and looking dumb than it is to sit back and just lose.
I mean, people who have no idea what they are watching will think it's dumb, but LCS teams are (hopefully) not in the business of looking good for the mindless masses, they are in the business of winning games.
edit: Quoted you but mostly directed at the same person you responded to.
It actually might have worked, but Chauster completely whiffed his combo and hit nothing. DL might have blown up Brunch while there was still a minion for HSGG to Tele to.
I agree with you man. I'm just trying to frame it so other people can see how even when it doesn't work/backfires and looks dumb, it was still the better choice.
Reminds me of poker, everybody wants to evaluate play based on who won the hand, but it's really about who played it better. Sometimes the better decision will look worse.
On April 05 2013 06:18 ketchup wrote: As much as you guys talk about only hearing one side of the story, it's the same on TL. gtr's side is the only one that we hear, because it's gtr. I do not know how any of you can say you'd have stuck with a team that did not contract you in any way or give you any form of compenstation(be it monetary or otherwise) for your time put into the team/game.
No We wasnt blame prolly for his leaving. Its the manner of the leave that bother people here in TL. Changing teams is very normal for players but quit your team without a head-up to their manager esp just week before an important LAN is really a dick move.
On April 05 2013 06:36 iKill[ShocK] wrote: is it me or theoddone really actually looks like an "odd one out", he looks socially awkward and weird every time I see him.
On April 05 2013 06:36 iKill[ShocK] wrote: is it me or theoddone really actually looks like an "odd one out", he looks socially awkward and weird every time I see him.
I dunno, he seems he has his place in the team. He definitely seems like someone who throws out those one liners that just works well. You see it a lot in his stream, and there are a lot of gamecribs episodes where he seems to carry when he is on camera.
Poor GGU. I don't expect this game to go over well at all. I think bloodwater joining a different LCS team is even more scummy than Prolly ditching velocity. Unless there were personal issues between bloodwater and the rest of GGU I guess.
On April 05 2013 06:36 iKill[ShocK] wrote: is it me or theoddone really actually looks like an "odd one out", he looks socially awkward and weird every time I see him.
I dunno, he seems he has his place in the team. He definitely seems like someone who throws out those one liners that just works well. You see it a lot in his stream, and there are a lot of gamecribs episodes where he seems to carry when he is on camera.
The biggest thing is I feel he is very uncomfortable on camera, which is strange to say for a guy who streams to 10k+ viewers regularly
On April 05 2013 06:41 Chrispy wrote: Poor GGU. I don't expect this game to go over well at all. I think bloodwater joining a different LCS team is even more scummy than Prolly ditching velocity. Unless there were personal issues between bloodwater and the rest of GGU I guess.
Agreed. It's not like Vulcan are miles ahead of GGU.
I watched Curse crushed GGU pretty bad in their scrims a few days ago so Curse is very confident in this match thats explain the VEIGAR pick. I am so pumped, still need a good cup of coffee though.
On April 05 2013 06:41 Chrispy wrote: Poor GGU. I don't expect this game to go over well at all. I think bloodwater joining a different LCS team is even more scummy than Prolly ditching velocity. Unless there were personal issues between bloodwater and the rest of GGU I guess.
As far as I know, GGU doesn't even have a gaming house. Vulcan at least have a reasonably stable roster.
I am actually a bit surprised that they kicked muffin though. I felt he was playing fine the whole time.
Chupper, on the other hand, is not surprising at all.
On April 05 2013 06:46 templar rage wrote: I missed the Ziggs, but I get to see Jacky Veigar instead.
Ziggs is just good for some early game play and fall off hard late game while Veigar on the other hand will bring you some spectacular sniping late game.
On April 05 2013 06:46 templar rage wrote: I missed the Ziggs, but I get to see Jacky Veigar instead.
Ziggs is just good for some early game play and fall off hard late game while Veigar on the other hand will bring you some spectacular sniping late game.
On April 05 2013 07:01 Chrispy wrote: Jatt's right though that flash is the hardest flash to make. If there's any fail flash you might have an excuse for it's that one there.
These are professional players.They get payed.I'd say this is like some random korean pro not being able to ff a ramp.Pretty terrible.
On April 05 2013 07:01 Chrispy wrote: Jatt's right though that flash is the hardest flash to make. If there's any fail flash you might have an excuse for it's that one there.
These are professional players.They get payed.I'd say this is like some random korean pro not being able to ff a ramp.Pretty terrible.
I can't remember when but I'm pretty sure I saw a top Korean player fail flash too. It happens.
Dat Elise support. Nyjacky went in too early and Ryze is the best counter AP mid you can get for a Veigar. And suddenly noone is talking about Bloodwater anymore
Nasus already has the Aegis. But yeah, Elise gonna get hurt by Nyjacky now, esp. for the shutdown gold. What MR could he get though? Maybe a Crucible (so they have another cleanse to protect from Veigar), not sure about twin Shadows, and of course Mercs.
Aww. Come on, they have Ryze, couldn't they have rushed it? GGU win fights (pretty close) but the gold differential stays at 2k while the overall gold keeps increasing, this can't be too good for GGU.
On April 05 2013 07:22 Alaric wrote: Aww. Come on, they have Ryze, couldn't they have rushed it? GGU win fights (pretty close) but the gold differential stays at 2k while the overall gold keeps increasing, this can't be too good for GGU.
On April 05 2013 07:22 Alaric wrote: Aww. Come on, they have Ryze, couldn't they have rushed it? GGU win fights (pretty close) but the gold differential stays at 2k while the overall gold keeps increasing, this can't be too good for GGU.
Doesn't GGU have a way better late game team?
Curse has more experience and teamwork, and the latter you go, the more impact a lost fight has. Especially against Veigar who will be as likely as ever to 100-0 somebody. Plus Cait's damage isn't that high while MF, well... is still as stupidly nobrain as ever.
On April 05 2013 07:30 Mazzi wrote: lol fucking mf. Crs lucking out so hard with the button R
Not lucked. GGU just miss play really hard. Why you go on all-in a Volibear in such tight space? They should just keep the Baron dancing with 4 people and let Zion pushing Voyboy around.
NintendudeX getting caught twice, that's game. More like GGU playing bad than Curse showing superior experience. GGU played pretty well, but these late derps are somewhat unsatisfying as a viewer.
Must admit curse can turtle like nobody else in season 3. GGU had a nice lead (even if it was never "absurd" or game closing) but Curse stopped them from Snowballing and defended like a boss until they got the one fight they needed.
On April 05 2013 07:38 Alaric wrote: Fucking indecisive GGU threw their lead away. I'm so pissed off right now.
Yeah. If they bough another Oracle and keep the 4 man baron dance and let Zion split push, Curve might have crumbled.
Not sure that would have worked, Irelia would eventually be able to beat khazix
Voyboy was light years behind Zion. And GGU will beat Curse 4v4 since the Elise is really strong and can clean up really well while with only Volibear there is no one to dive Caitlyn which is also ahead of MF.
On April 05 2013 07:38 Alaric wrote: Fucking indecisive GGU threw their lead away. I'm so pissed off right now.
Yeah. If they bough another Oracle and keep the 4 man baron dance and let Zion split push, Curve might have crumbled.
that would not have worked at all, while voy couldn't 1v1 kha, he wasn't going to die and could hold (he did this like all game). GGU is saccing more teamfight power than Curse
meanwhile if you dance around vs fed veigar eventually you are gonna just get someone picked and blown up, and without khazix GGU didn't have enough poke to poke Curse down
On April 05 2013 07:41 Tula wrote: Must admit curse can turtle like nobody else in season 3. GGU had a nice lead (even if it was never "absurd" or game closing) but Curse stopped them from Snowballing and defended like a boss until they got the one fight they needed.
Well played by them.
What? Nothing to do with Curse, GGU refused to snowball it, they never were assertive with their sieges, and their wave management was pretty bad: they lost two drakes because somebody was elsewhere pushing despite them having the timer (first one was mashme running top as Cait to kill ~10 creeps with only 10s on drake's timer then all of Curse get 190 free gold a piece, don't remembe who it was the second time). They wanted to keep lanes pushed, I'm fine with it, but they never did it well enough so the waves kept pushing back pretty fast, getting minimal damage on the towers, and then they just stopped doing it. At least twice GGU wanted to push mid, then just gave up once they reached Curse's inner tower because top and bot would be pushed up to GGU's own inner towers, both bot and top.
On April 05 2013 07:38 Alaric wrote: Fucking indecisive GGU threw their lead away. I'm so pissed off right now.
Yeah. If they bough another Oracle and keep the 4 man baron dance and let Zion split push, Curve might have crumbled.
Not sure that would have worked, Irelia would eventually be able to beat khazix
Irelia actually becomes weaker after her midgame spike because of the true damage nature of Hiten Style: it doesn't scale with anything else than CDR (it's a luxury stat on her) and AS (she couldn't afford to focus on it), so as long as Kha'Zix doesn't get destroyed in that 6s timing he'll win. Zionspartan was so ahead of Voyboy that the situation where Hiten Style would threaten him never arose, while he had the power to poke and 1v1 Irelia anytime (Kha'Zix has one of the strongest 1v1 dps of the game thanks to his ult, possible bush jukes to renew his passive, short cooldown and isolation bonus on Q, and ability to just stack AD for autos).
On April 05 2013 07:38 Alaric wrote: Fucking indecisive GGU threw their lead away. I'm so pissed off right now.
Yeah. If they bough another Oracle and keep the 4 man baron dance and let Zion split push, Curve might have crumbled.
Not sure that would have worked, Irelia would eventually be able to beat khazix
Voyboy was light years behind Zion. And GGU will beat Curse 4v4 since the Elise is really strong and can clean up really well while with only Volibear there is no one to dive Caitlyn which is also ahead of MF.
Lol whoever reads that without seeing the game thinks it was a 6 item khazix vs a 3 item irelia :O
On April 05 2013 07:38 Alaric wrote: Fucking indecisive GGU threw their lead away. I'm so pissed off right now.
Yeah. If they bough another Oracle and keep the 4 man baron dance and let Zion split push, Curve might have crumbled.
that would not have worked at all, while voy couldn't 1v1 kha, he wasn't going to die and could hold (he did this like all game). GGU is saccing more teamfight power than Curse
meanwhile if you dance around vs fed veigar eventually you are gonna just get someone picked and blown up, and without khazix GGU didn't have enough poke to poke Curse down
You didnt consider the fact that GGU has control on the Baron area, there is a chance that Curse will make a mistake. That game was just the 2 teams waiting for the other one to make a mistake and GGU made the mistake that they would have avoided. I mean everyone jump on a Volibear? Srsly...
Just watched the CLG-coL match - what a train wreck of a game. Really wanted to turn it off, but then, curiosity won. Terrible, terrible game. coL completely outplaying CLG in the level 1 fight and in lanes, then making some very questionable decisions (baron *cough*) allowing CLG back in the game.
Terribly disappointed by CLG. They only had one match to prepare, and then go for a Level 1 fight with those champion lineups. Also, not laneswapping might have been a mistake - Varus/Zyra will bully Thresh/Twitch usually, especially with their advantage, Hotshot's lane was lost anyway, and Kha'Zix could have been prevented from grabbing all that nice free farm. But they didn't, so Hotshot gets himself killed 1v1 at level 1, and then camped hardcore - still made it back into the game. Then donates free Baron to coL because he has to showboat and can't teleport out. Chauster camps for botlane, gets nothing done, has nearly zero impact all game, then does this Baron move that will surely find it's way into this season's top 10 fails. DLift throws the probably deciding teamfight by Woong-flashing into the enemy team to finish off Pr0lly even though CLG was already clear, split up and exactly knew where the coL members where (also had fairly questionable positioning for the last fight, but the game was over at that point anyway). I'd talk about Aphromoo, too, but I didn't see him do anything all game... To me, Link and Hotshot looked their usual selves, but with Chauster underperforming and Dlift not managing to convert a 4-1 start into a better midgame, CLG is not going to go far this season...also, the claims as to DLift being a top 2 AD carry should really be revised by now, he's been losing lane and game far too frequently recently, and you can't blame all of that on his team.
coL surprised me, really - their usual throw wasn't quite as hard as usual :o. There's that whole Baron shebang, and MeyeA failing to kill the nexus, but I'll pin those down as giving CLG another chance at life. But unless they finally fix their shot calling mistakes, they're not going to avoid relegation.
On a sidenote, I'm usually quite appreciative of Jatt, but his commentary was about as horrendous as the game. Acknowledging CLG botched the Level 1 fight terribly, but then talking up the team all game long, berating coL on their lack of skill etc. Just waaaay too partial for my taste.
Hotshot really really really has to expand his champion pool. No other team in the world has to run a comp like CLG because one of their members can only play no-damage utility champions in top lane. As a CLG fan I'm pretty scared of the very real possibility that CLG will drop out of LCS.
Side note, I'm interested to see how well Vulcan does with Bloodwater on the team.
On April 05 2013 08:04 overt wrote: Hotshot really really really has to expand his champion pool. No other team in the world has to run a comp like CLG because one of their members can only play no-damage utility champions in top lane. As a CLG fan I'm pretty scared of the very real possibility that CLG will drop out of LCS..
Really? It's pretty obvious he's trying to do that. He's never played Udyr and Karthus at a competitive level afaik.
I think when people say HSGG needs to expand his champ pool they actually mean he needs to have a more versatile playing style. I agree with that, but it's never going to happen. They need a more versatile top laner, but I think the team (not just HSGG) is pretty convinced that they can succeed with a toplaner that can only play one way.
Incidentally why do I never see HSGG playing Shen? Plays all these tanky disruptors like a poor mans Shen anyway, I don't know why he doesn't pick/learn the LoL champion specifically designed for that playstyle.
On April 05 2013 08:04 overt wrote: Hotshot really really really has to expand his champion pool. No other team in the world has to run a comp like CLG because one of their members can only play no-damage utility champions in top lane. As a CLG fan I'm pretty scared of the very real possibility that CLG will drop out of LCS..
Really? It's pretty obvious he's trying to do that. He's never played Udyr and Karthus at a competitive level afaik.
I think when people say HSGG needs to expand his champ pool they actually mean he needs to have a more versatile playing style. I agree with that, but it's never going to happen. They need a more versatile top laner, but I think the team (not just HSGG) is pretty convinced that they can succeed with a toplaner that can only play one way.
Incidentally why do I never see HSGG playing Shen? Plays all these tanky disruptors like a poor mans Shen anyway, I don't know why he doesn't pick/learn the LoL champion specifically designed for that playstyle.
He tried, couldnt overcome the skillshot that taunt is.
On April 05 2013 08:04 overt wrote: Hotshot really really really has to expand his champion pool. No other team in the world has to run a comp like CLG because one of their members can only play no-damage utility champions in top lane. As a CLG fan I'm pretty scared of the very real possibility that CLG will drop out of LCS..
Really? It's pretty obvious he's trying to do that. He's never played Udyr and Karthus at a competitive level afaik.
I think when people say HSGG needs to expand his champ pool they actually mean he needs to have a more versatile playing style. I agree with that, but it's never going to happen. They need a more versatile top laner, but I think the team (not just HSGG) is pretty convinced that they can succeed with a toplaner that can only play one way.
Incidentally why do I never see HSGG playing Shen? Plays all these tanky disruptors like a poor mans Shen anyway, I don't know why he doesn't pick/learn the LoL champion specifically designed for that playstyle.
He tried, couldnt overcome the skillshot that taunt is.
But he plays Cho pretty well. Rupture is harder to land than Shen's taunt.
On April 05 2013 08:04 overt wrote: Hotshot really really really has to expand his champion pool. No other team in the world has to run a comp like CLG because one of their members can only play no-damage utility champions in top lane. As a CLG fan I'm pretty scared of the very real possibility that CLG will drop out of LCS..
Really? It's pretty obvious he's trying to do that. He's never played Udyr and Karthus at a competitive level afaik.
I think when people say HSGG needs to expand his champ pool they actually mean he needs to have a more versatile playing style. I agree with that, but it's never going to happen. They need a more versatile top laner, but I think the team (not just HSGG) is pretty convinced that they can succeed with a toplaner that can only play one way.
Incidentally why do I never see HSGG playing Shen? Plays all these tanky disruptors like a poor mans Shen anyway, I don't know why he doesn't pick/learn the LoL champion specifically designed for that playstyle.
He tried, couldnt overcome the skillshot that taunt is.
But he plays Cho pretty well. Rupture is harder to land than Shen's taunt.
i dont exactly know how it works, you should ask hotshot himself >.<
On April 05 2013 08:25 nafta wrote: I don't get it how we see SO MANY varus ult wiffs.Not like it's smart dodging by the oppponents they just miss them lol...
On April 05 2013 08:25 nafta wrote: I don't get it how we see SO MANY varus ult wiffs.Not like it's smart dodging by the oppponents they just miss them lol...
small hitbox.
It's not hard to hit at all.Like I bought varus and out of 7 games I missed one.If I can hit it they should hit it 5 times more lolz.
On April 05 2013 08:25 nafta wrote: I don't get it how we see SO MANY varus ult wiffs.Not like it's smart dodging by the oppponents they just miss them lol...
small hitbox.
It's not hard to hit at all.Like I bought varus and out of 7 games I missed one.If I can hit it they should hit it 5 times more lolz.
On April 05 2013 08:45 Silentenigma wrote: xerath was a fail pick Karthus carried the game.
Sona carried the game as much as Karthus I think. That ult at dragon fight from Sona won them the team fight. The game was over after that 0 for 5+Baron trade.
On April 05 2013 08:48 Sufficiency wrote: Well CLG is now 10-11 and Vulcan is 8-13. How many more games are there? Is there even a remote chance that CLG can be kicked out of top 4?
It doesn't matter. I don't know why people think of the LCS as a Top 4/Bottom 4 league (I guess because Dig/CLG/TSM/Crs seem like one tier and GGU/MRN/Vulcun/coL a second tier).
The LCS is not a Top 4/Bottom 4 league. It is a 2-4-2 league. The top two teams get playoff byes, the next four have to play each other in an initial round (3v6 and 4v5), and the bottom two miss the playoffs.
Even if Vulcun overtakes CLG, the only thing that will change is when they play each other in the first round of the playoffs, now Vulcun has a 4 next to their name and CLG a 5.
Which I still don't think will happen. 2 games is a lot to make up. Vulcun's real chance was last week.
Watching Vulcan, AKA Clg Black without Link and Hoodstomp, really makes you think how well they would have done if they haven't disbanded. Even without any practice, Clg Black performed fairly well, and now Vulcan with the recent addition of BloodWater looks to be pretty damn strong now that they have a shot caller.
Dyrus and Regi lost that one for TSM. Regi needed to dominate mid and he did anything but. Dyrus for some reason refused to build to counter an AP lane (he built armor then HP; no MR) and thus got shit on. TOO was generally ineffective because he was trying to babysit top/mid constantly. Great job by Vulcan to pressure in the right places and not throw.
On April 05 2013 08:39 Numy wrote: Kind of funny CLG picked Aphro over Bloodwater
It probably had more to do with Aphro's marketability than skill. Same with Locodoco, neither were even supports so of course they wouldn't be the reasonable choice if winning was top priority.
I think it's clear at this point that the two bottom teams will be between CoL, GGU and MRN. Vulcan seems almost uncatchable as they are 3 wins up on CoL and GGU who are bottom. If CoL wins against MRN they will be a half game back of 6th place - so this is a big game for Complexity and MRN.
On April 05 2013 08:59 Kontossis wrote: Watching Vulcan, AKA Clg Black without Link and Hoodstomp, really makes you think how well they would have done if they haven't disbanded. Even without any practice, Clg Black performed fairly well, and now Vulcan with the recent addition of BloodWater looks to be pretty damn strong now that they have a shot caller.
This is just my opinion but Mancloud is way better than Link in mid so think they might be already better than CLG Black
At first I was surprised everyone was leaving thresh up but after seeing how unimpressive most of these guys are on him not surprised.Hope heartbeat shows us a good one finally.
On April 05 2013 08:39 Numy wrote: Kind of funny CLG picked Aphro over Bloodwater
CLG's current problems don't stem from Support role specifically. I'm not saying Aphro is comparable to Bloodwater but having Bloodwater wouldn't solve anything.
On the other hand, this was a huge, huge pick up by Vulcun, as we saw.
On April 05 2013 08:39 Numy wrote: Kind of funny CLG picked Aphro over Bloodwater
CLG's current problems don't stem from Support role specifically. I'm not saying Aphro is comparable to Bloodwater but having Bloodwater wouldn't solve anything.
On the other hand, this was a huge, huge pick up by Vulcun, as we saw.
Oh yea obviously. Just find it's telling how little the team understands players. Vulcan is shaping up to contest top 3 if this continues.
On April 05 2013 09:14 jtbem wrote: clakey is trash tbh
I agree brother but this game isn't purely his fault. Although it is telling how often things go bad when he gets an aggressive jungler that isn't jarvan
On April 05 2013 08:39 Numy wrote: Kind of funny CLG picked Aphro over Bloodwater
CLG's current problems don't stem from Support role specifically. I'm not saying Aphro is comparable to Bloodwater but having Bloodwater wouldn't solve anything.
On the other hand, this was a huge, huge pick up by Vulcun, as we saw.
Oh yea obviously. Just find it's telling how little the team understands players. Vulcan is shaping up to contest top 3 if this continues.
On April 05 2013 08:39 Numy wrote: Kind of funny CLG picked Aphro over Bloodwater
CLG's current problems don't stem from Support role specifically. I'm not saying Aphro is comparable to Bloodwater but having Bloodwater wouldn't solve anything.
On the other hand, this was a huge, huge pick up by Vulcun, as we saw.
Oh yea obviously. Just find it's telling how little the team understands players. Vulcan is shaping up to contest top 3 if this continues.
l0l, whoa, whoa, easy there Numy. :D
Lol I mean in like 2/3 months time man. I have faith in Mancloud+Bloodwater. Look at their progress this season, sure taking the next step is really hard but feel like they can make it with just a bit more time. I don't know maybe I'm just fanboying them but I genuinely like the progress they have shown. More than any other team besides maybe CW
On April 05 2013 09:20 Chrispy wrote: Marn's going to need a miracle to come back from this.
Well a miracle or some godlike Nien play.
Well so far they are playing the lane pretty impressively(or might be col sucking haven't been paying attention).The deaths earlier were pretty expected but they came back nicely.
On April 05 2013 09:36 Alaric wrote: I don't know if Nientosoh was bad or baller to Tumble and use the stealth to enter that bush with 3 of coL inside.
On April 05 2013 09:38 Requizen wrote: Losing Malph is huge, without him their teamfight is wayyyyyyyy lower.
Right before that gank I was thinking about the late game. Sure, they have Vayne, Lulu and Eve, but... Malph's building damage when Cho's going full tank, so while they have a better midgame spike (Cho and Malph have pretty similar curves, esp. if building tanky) they'll be much worse later on unless Lulu can build bulwark and position herself well.
On April 05 2013 09:43 Alaric wrote: 0K Marn doesn't need the Bulwark to survive the AoE combo.
Nope, NA teams allergic to Bulwark. It's like they think it gives you a debuff.
I said it because I spent a lot of the early to say "Marn's comp isn't attuned to an aegis well if Malph or Lulu doesn't rush it, but against so much AoE from coL it'd be good"... then they just get ult'd by Jarvan+Rumble, stay 2+ seconds in it, give no fuck and still win the fight. For all his flaws TOO is one of the few NA junglers that actually knows when to build Locket, and when to rush Bulwark.
and i mean really a warmogs against vayne and eve? its like these teams want to stay bottom tier. you dont even see warmog built in solo q anymore its so bad.
NMM on Malph. I hope it's for Bulwark, otherwise Abyssal would be plain better considering the amount of magic damage and how they rely on killing people fast... when there's a flurry of HP on the other team. Randuin's, warmogs...
On April 05 2013 09:55 VayneAuthority wrote: and i mean really a warmogs against vayne and eve? its like these teams want to stay bottom tier. you dont even see warmog built in solo q anymore its so bad.
To beat that you'd need a Bulwark or a Banshee's on Caitlyn. Bulwark is too hard to build properly (lots of low-cost components when your problem is slots more than gold) and Banshee's won't do shit against Kha'Zix. Against Eve there's also the Bulwark aura from Cho—she doesn't have Abyssal nor Void Staff. Warmogs is super good against Malph considering they're in the late game.
On April 05 2013 09:57 Alaric wrote: NMM on Malph. I hope it's for Bulwark, otherwise Abyssal would be plain better considering the amount of magic damage and how they rely on killing people fast... when there's a flurry of HP on the other team. Randuin's, warmogs...
On April 05 2013 09:55 VayneAuthority wrote: and i mean really a warmogs against vayne and eve? its like these teams want to stay bottom tier. you dont even see warmog built in solo q anymore its so bad.
To beat that you'd need a Bulwark or a Banshee's on Caitlyn. Bulwark is too hard to build properly (lots of low-cost components when your problem is slots more than gold) and Banshee's won't do shit against Kha'Zix. Against Eve there's also the Bulwark aura from Cho—she doesn't have Abyssal nor Void Staff. Warmogs is super good against Malph considering they're in the late game.
not really, warmogs is especially bad on carries because you arent combining the hp with any armor/mr its just a lot of emptiness, especially against all of marn's percent damage. if he really wanted a defense item he shoulda got randuins or banshee. Personally with that tank line though I would have just built pure damage and learning to fucking position since your cait with 1000000 range.
Stop giving the farm to Nien, he's already fully built. T_T
Also the main damage threat on Cait wasn't magic but physical, with Kha'Zix diving her (Eve always tried to set-up resets after her ult, not diving, and Malph didn't sit on top of Cait either, peeling for Vayne). Warmogs > Banshee's Veil for that.
On April 05 2013 10:08 nafta wrote: For how much hype I've heard about nien he is not impressive in teamfights at all tbh.
I really liked heartbeatt a lot better tbh.
?? Nien picked up triple kills twice this game and farmed at a rate of 10 CS per min. I'm not sure what you guys are being critical of here. What exactly do you think he could've done better?
On April 05 2013 10:08 nafta wrote: For how much hype I've heard about nien he is not impressive in teamfights at all tbh.
I really liked heartbeatt a lot better tbh.
?? Nien picked up triple kills twice this game and farmed at a rate of 10 CS per min. I'm not sure what you guys are being critical of here. What exactly do you think he could've done better?
He suicided for no reason last 2 out of 3 fights.His laning was really good yes but I'd say it was more brunch now when I think of it.If you are ahead as a cait vs vayne and playing passive you are gonna lose.
Honestly I was quite impressed by clackey.He came back in the game and did pretty well.
Heartbeatt seems to be much much more comfortable playing support though. Don't know why you want to see him in ADC when he is playing a lot better in the support role. If he keeps it up, he'll definitely be making some highlights.
Nien seemed to be a solid AD, considering how much dive CoL had the fact he did so well seems like he's got noplace to go but up in terms of skill and ability.
On April 05 2013 10:08 nafta wrote: For how much hype I've heard about nien he is not impressive in teamfights at all tbh.
I really liked heartbeatt a lot better tbh.
?? Nien picked up triple kills twice this game and farmed at a rate of 10 CS per min. I'm not sure what you guys are being critical of here. What exactly do you think he could've done better?
He suicided for no reason last 2 out of 3 fights.His laning was really good yes but I'd say it was more brunch now when I think of it.If you are ahead as a cait vs vayne and playing passive you are gonna lose.
Honestly I was quite impressed by clackey.He came back in the game and did pretty well.
He died in that last fight but coL burned so many CDs trying to get him it allowed the rest of his team to pick up the ace easily. Of course not dying would have been ideal but I've seen a lot worse deaths in this game. Also I don't see how those two deaths invalidate his great performance throughout the earlier stages of the game.
On April 05 2013 10:08 nafta wrote: For how much hype I've heard about nien he is not impressive in teamfights at all tbh.
I really liked heartbeatt a lot better tbh.
?? Nien picked up triple kills twice this game and farmed at a rate of 10 CS per min. I'm not sure what you guys are being critical of here. What exactly do you think he could've done better?
He suicided for no reason last 2 out of 3 fights.His laning was really good yes but I'd say it was more brunch now when I think of it.If you are ahead as a cait vs vayne and playing passive you are gonna lose.
Honestly I was quite impressed by clackey.He came back in the game and did pretty well.
Again, not sure how "suicided" is the right term here. He manned up and stayed in team fights to do as much damage as possible. He trusted his team to pick up the slack if coL managed to kill him, in which coL did. MRN still came out on top from the majority of these team fights, even with Nien dying.
You guys are failing to realize how far behind MRN was after ClakeyD got fucked up in the jungle. If it wasn't for Nien's laning prowess, I don't think MRN could've even come close to closing that deficient by mid game. The two triple kills were huge for MRN.
If you guys want to be critical of Nien, at least be accurate. His greed in mid lane cost two of his teammates and gave coL a free Baron. He should've been giving farm to Mega or Clakey after the 40-45 minute mark for sure.
I don't see much room for criticizing his team fights.
On April 05 2013 10:08 nafta wrote: For how much hype I've heard about nien he is not impressive in teamfights at all tbh.
I really liked heartbeatt a lot better tbh.
?? Nien picked up triple kills twice this game and farmed at a rate of 10 CS per min. I'm not sure what you guys are being critical of here. What exactly do you think he could've done better?
He suicided for no reason last 2 out of 3 fights.His laning was really good yes but I'd say it was more brunch now when I think of it.If you are ahead as a cait vs vayne and playing passive you are gonna lose.
Honestly I was quite impressed by clackey.He came back in the game and did pretty well.
Again, not sure how "suicided" is the right term here. He manned up and stayed in team fights to do as much damage as possible. He trusted his team to pick up the slack if coL managed to kill him, in which coL did. MRN still came out on top from the majority of these team fights, even with Nien dying.
You guys are failing to realize how far behind MRN was after ClakeyD got fucked up in the jungle. If it wasn't for Nien's laning prowess, I don't think MRN could've even come close to closing that deficient by mid game. The two triple kills were huge for MRN.
as vayne being one of my mains obviously, it was just a pathetic display of vayne teamfighting outright. his tumbles and condemns were weak at best and he did so well because he had a hard engage(malphite) and a really good defensive support(lulu) and pretty much all bruisers on the other team. pretty much the ideal scenario for vayne.
messing up his tumble at the inhib tower and giving them baron counts as a teamfight in my book, whenever there is a fight that is more than 1v1 its pretty much a "teamfight"
On April 05 2013 10:08 nafta wrote: For how much hype I've heard about nien he is not impressive in teamfights at all tbh.
I really liked heartbeatt a lot better tbh.
?? Nien picked up triple kills twice this game and farmed at a rate of 10 CS per min. I'm not sure what you guys are being critical of here. What exactly do you think he could've done better?
He suicided for no reason last 2 out of 3 fights.His laning was really good yes but I'd say it was more brunch now when I think of it.If you are ahead as a cait vs vayne and playing passive you are gonna lose.
Honestly I was quite impressed by clackey.He came back in the game and did pretty well.
Again, not sure how "suicided" is the right term here. He manned up and stayed in team fights to do as much damage as possible. He trusted his team to pick up the slack if coL managed to kill him, in which coL did. MRN still came out on top from the majority of these team fights, even with Nien dying.
You guys are failing to realize how far behind MRN was after ClakeyD got fucked up in the jungle. If it wasn't for Nien's laning prowess, I don't think MRN could've even come close to closing that deficient by mid game. The two triple kills were huge for MRN.
As I said he played lane well.But brunch basically q-d waves and just last hit because he was scared of eve.Nien played well but he made a few questionable decisions that all.Guess I'm being too harsh w/e.But just as someone who plays quite a bit of adc it seemed like he didn't do anything special if not didn't play that good yet he is regarded as an amazing vayne player.
Nien had a mixed game. He farmed really really hard, deserves massive credit for getting ahead in a losing lane and dealt really well with Prolly's diving (with HBs help) but some of his positioning wasn't fantastic (he was lucky not to get blown up after getting hit by Thresh hook a long way from his team) and the lane was so far behind in the first place because he went way too aggressive for his first death.
Clakey (who's a better player than most give him credit for) and MZ deserve the most praise for their performance. Their initiation combos were absolutely spot on and pretty much erased Brunch as a factor in every team fight. Clakey coming back after such a nasty start in the jungle on a character not really suited for it was particularly well done.
I agree with Neo's assessment of Vayne. Sure, he probably got a little overzealous at the end and died more then he should of but at the end of the day he got the job done albeit a little sloppily.
For me I thought that Rumble seemed a little underwhelming. The casters were hyping up Mikewu and he didn't seem to do much during teamfights until the very end where he had some good plays. During the midgame were Col lost control of the game I didn't see him having much of presence.
I was also really confused during the last fight. Vayne gets caught out and all of Col jumps on her bursting her down before much real damage can get down. While this is happening Cait is very far away and comes in much later. To me it looked like Cait should have just had free shots while the teams where skirmishing and slowly coming toward her, it was really odd that she died with no impact in that fight. To me it looked like Col should have won the fight but just completely lost it for some reason.
I agree that Clakey played well for getting fucked so hard early on.
Are there any comprehensive interviews floating around re: Bloodwater's transfer and his role as a shot-caller? It's v.unlikely he'll receive a "Grilled" or equivalent anytime soon, but I'm quite curious.
On April 05 2013 10:41 Haasts wrote: Are there any comprehensive interviews floating around re: Bloodwater's transfer and his role as a shot-caller? It's v.unlikely he'll receive a "Grilled" or equivalent anytime soon, but I'm quite curious.
What are you curious about specifically? I can throw some questions at Gnome if you wanted.
The CLG/col game was absolutely fuqqing hilarious. From the 1v1 fight, to DLift flashing forward into col to get prolly in a mid teamfight, to the baron plays,Hotshot's splitpushing, and the 60HP Nexus.
On April 05 2013 10:57 caelym wrote: Brunch and M eye A's mediocrity used to be covered up by Chuuper's Bloopers, but it was really clear today that coL's bot lane is really weak.
M eye A especially has looked like the worst support in NA imo.
On April 05 2013 10:57 caelym wrote: Brunch and M eye A's mediocrity used to be covered up by Chuuper's Bloopers, but it was really clear today that coL's bot lane is really weak.
It's really weird that the Brunch club were one of the stronger qualifying teams doing quite well in the beginning, but after being sponsored by coL they have become just slightly lacking. They definitely have some of the closer games, but recently have gotten in some sort of slump. It's a shame because they looked quite strong when they "debuted", and they were a better bet going into the thing than most people said MRN were. This brunch club hate just seems so odd to me.
On April 05 2013 10:57 caelym wrote: Brunch and M eye A's mediocrity used to be covered up by Chuuper's Bloopers, but it was really clear today that coL's bot lane is really weak.
It's really weird that the Brunch club were one of the stronger qualifying teams doing quite well in the beginning, but after being sponsored by coL they have become just slightly lacking. They definitely have some of the closer games, but recently have gotten in some sort of slump. It's a shame because they looked quite strong when they "debuted", and they were a better bet going into the thing than most people said MRN were. This brunch club hate just seems so odd to me.
is it possible that maybe its because they went up against other new and inexperienced teams?
On April 05 2013 10:57 caelym wrote: Brunch and M eye A's mediocrity used to be covered up by Chuuper's Bloopers, but it was really clear today that coL's bot lane is really weak.
It's really weird that the Brunch club were one of the stronger qualifying teams doing quite well in the beginning, but after being sponsored by coL they have become just slightly lacking. They definitely have some of the closer games, but recently have gotten in some sort of slump. It's a shame because they looked quite strong when they "debuted", and they were a better bet going into the thing than most people said MRN were. This brunch club hate just seems so odd to me.
is it possible that maybe its because they went up against other new and inexperienced teams?
On April 05 2013 10:57 caelym wrote: Brunch and M eye A's mediocrity used to be covered up by Chuuper's Bloopers, but it was really clear today that coL's bot lane is really weak.
It's really weird that the Brunch club were one of the stronger qualifying teams doing quite well in the beginning, but after being sponsored by coL they have become just slightly lacking. They definitely have some of the closer games, but recently have gotten in some sort of slump. It's a shame because they looked quite strong when they "debuted", and they were a better bet going into the thing than most people said MRN were. This brunch club hate just seems so odd to me.
is it possible that maybe its because they went up against other new and inexperienced teams?
Yeah, pretty much this.
I wonder if they can mature into a strong team. They have been together for a while it seems, I wonder if this is just a bit of season 1 hiccups that will pass or if this is signs that they need more experience as a team in general. EDIT: Zulu_8 has it right, get the dirty dets for us Neo.
On April 05 2013 10:57 caelym wrote: Brunch and M eye A's mediocrity used to be covered up by Chuuper's Bloopers, but it was really clear today that coL's bot lane is really weak.
It's really weird that the Brunch club were one of the stronger qualifying teams doing quite well in the beginning, but after being sponsored by coL they have become just slightly lacking. They definitely have some of the closer games, but recently have gotten in some sort of slump. It's a shame because they looked quite strong when they "debuted", and they were a better bet going into the thing than most people said MRN were. This brunch club hate just seems so odd to me.
Grststsdstddtdts (sp) always says they had an easy qualifying path.
On April 05 2013 10:50 sung_moon wrote: The CLG/col game was absolutely fuqqing hilarious. From the 1v1 fight, to DLift flashing forward into col to get prolly in a mid teamfight, to the baron plays,Hotshot's splitpushing, and the 60HP Nexus.
Eh didn't you post that last time TSM faced CRS in LCS. Though apparently TSM needs to beat Curse so their manager can shave since he won't until they beat CRS.
On April 06 2013 05:25 BlackMagister wrote: Eh didn't you post that last time TSM faced CRS in LCS. Though apparently TSM needs to beat Curse so their manager can shave since he won't until they beat CRS.
i've posted it on every crs vs TSM. We will beat crs this time!!!!!!!!
Yeah I'm just surprised because Nocturne doesn't have popularity (no tank steroids, low duelling power early on, less reliable ganks than Xin/J4/Voli) and TOO historically doesn't have a lot of success with him, so I assumed his usual picks were banned.
On April 06 2013 07:34 Alaric wrote: Yeah I'm just surprised because Nocturne doesn't have popularity (no tank steroids, low duelling power early on, less reliable ganks than Xin/J4/Voli) and TOO historically doesn't have a lot of success with him, so I assumed his usual picks were banned.
pretty sure TOO's nocturne has been super succesful in s2 and he just stopped playing him mainly because of new fotm junglers.
Saint and Element played really bad this game. Xpecial was ok overall actually,Reginald was the one that carried TSM, but with Curse screwing up this bad its not a difficult task.
Curse really didn't seem to show up today. Voyboy didn't do bad, and I'm not sure how much of that stomp in lane was Cop's fault (Draven too stronk), but everyone else was making awful plays the entire game.
On April 06 2013 07:59 TheSinisterRed wrote: Curse really didn't seem to show up today. Voyboy didn't do bad, and I'm not sure how much of that stomp in lane was Cop's fault (Draven too stronk), but everyone else was making awful plays the entire game.
Its not Cops fault, he got fucked by Saint with that failed gank that gave Draven 2 kills. Draven/Thresh >> Kog/Sona in lane already so with 2 kills advantage its no coming back for Cop.
On April 06 2013 07:59 Caphe wrote: Saint and Element played really bad this game. Xpecial was ok overall actually,Reginald was the one that carried TSM, but with Curse screwing up this bad its not a difficult task.
Not sure what Saint was supposed to be doing better after jacky gift wrapped first blood for Karthus, Regi played very far back until his flash came back up, so ganking mid wasn't really an option.
Ganking Shen is always a nightmare, esp if a lane doesn't have ignite on top of it, so ganking bot would have been a chore as well.
Frankly Curse lost the game because they picked an impossible 2v2 lane and then didn't switch often enough to play it 2v1. Yes it would have been chaotic and they might have lost a few minions if they insisted on switching, but Cop and Elementz lost their lane so hard that I almost believed I was watching SoloQ.
TSM "won" every single lane except Dyrus vs. Voyboy, and that one was even at best (Dyrus ended up ahead due to global gold). Frankly if the other side has a Draven why exactly would you feed him a Kog/Sona lane which really can't do anything except sit way back and try to farm under turret...
On April 06 2013 07:58 DODswe4 wrote: Curse didnt look good in that game, TSM getting this win is important for them Dignitas getting closer to the 2nd spot
On April 06 2013 07:59 Caphe wrote: Saint and Element played really bad this game. Xpecial was ok overall actually,Reginald was the one that carried TSM, but with Curse screwing up this bad its not a difficult task.
Not sure what Saint was supposed to be doing better after jacky gift wrapped first blood for Karthus, Regi played very far back until his flash came back up, so ganking mid wasn't really an option.
Ganking Shen is always a nightmare, esp if a lane doesn't have ignite on top of it, so ganking bot would have been a chore as well.
Frankly Curse lost the game because they picked an impossible 2v2 lane and then didn't switch often enough to play it 2v1. Yes it would have been chaotic and they might have lost a few minions if they insisted on switching, but Cop and Elementz lost their lane so hard that I almost believed I was watching SoloQ.
TSM "won" every single lane except Dyrus vs. Voyboy, and that one was even at best (Dyrus ended up ahead due to global gold). Frankly if the other side has a Draven why exactly would you feed him a Kog/Sona lane which really can't do anything except sit way back and try to farm under turret...
TSM's botlane has turned into one of the most consistent performing area's for them :o. Turtle probably needs to work on his varus ults but other than that their botlane has been performing great. Oddone having a high impact was great .
On April 06 2013 07:59 Caphe wrote: Saint and Element played really bad this game. Xpecial was ok overall actually,Reginald was the one that carried TSM, but with Curse screwing up this bad its not a difficult task.
Not sure what Saint was supposed to be doing better after jacky gift wrapped first blood for Karthus, Regi played very far back until his flash came back up, so ganking mid wasn't really an option.
Ganking Shen is always a nightmare, esp if a lane doesn't have ignite on top of it, so ganking bot would have been a chore as well.
Frankly Curse lost the game because they picked an impossible 2v2 lane and then didn't switch often enough to play it 2v1. Yes it would have been chaotic and they might have lost a few minions if they insisted on switching, but Cop and Elementz lost their lane so hard that I almost believed I was watching SoloQ.
TSM "won" every single lane except Dyrus vs. Voyboy, and that one was even at best (Dyrus ended up ahead due to global gold). Frankly if the other side has a Draven why exactly would you feed him a Kog/Sona lane which really can't do anything except sit way back and try to farm under turret...
Saint kind of gifted the snowball start on draven.Also not banning thresh AND picking kog into draven was definitely the not so smart move.
Why Curse waste 2 ban on Reginald is beyond me, maybe TF ban is ok but the Dianna isn't neccessary. You need to ban Draven cos it seems WT only can apply his aggression with Draven, hes just a normal ADC with others carry.
On April 06 2013 08:11 Caphe wrote: Why Curse waste 2 ban on Reginald is beyond me, maybe TF ban is ok but the Dianna isn't neccessary. You need to ban Draven cos it seems WT only can apply his aggression with Draven, hes just a normal ADC with others carry.
It's just that draven is op in lane and lcs guys don't know what to pick/how to play vs him.Honestly I am shocked how so many people ignore thresh.He is THE BEST support in lane BY FAR.
On April 06 2013 07:58 DODswe4 wrote: Curse didnt look good in that game, TSM getting this win is important for them Dignitas getting closer to the 2nd spot
Corrected.
well Dignitas getting closer to first and TSM getting closer to second. Curse still have less wins then Dignitas so if Curse loses more they are already second
On April 06 2013 08:23 DragoonTT wrote: And this is why no one plays Annie. Can't even 1v1 Karthus
Can anyone 1v1 Karthus if he lands all of his q's and has double summoners when you don't?
Most AP mids can, at the very least, easily prevent a lot of Karthus' damage. Annie can't - no shield, no movement speed modifier and is outranged by most counterparts.
On April 06 2013 08:23 DragoonTT wrote: And this is why no one plays Annie. Can't even 1v1 Karthus
Can anyone 1v1 Karthus if he lands all of his q's and has double summoners when you don't?
Most AP mids can, at the very least, easily prevent a lot of Karthus' damage. Annie can't - no shield, no movement speed modifier and is outranged by most counterparts.
coL throw, true to style
It's mostly that Annie does not have any CC beside her passive, which can be read by her opponent. Also her range is abysmal.
Annie misplayed that ward. Gave away his position and gave away the kill on top. That ward by Vlad was pretty bad also considering they know annie was in the jungle. That timing was really weird considering prior knowledge.
I just want to turn the stream off until the next game. Even TSM and CLG out of form play miles ahead of that, and they eat a lot of shit for said plays tho.
Why would you Intervention against Requiem? You can get far better results if you prevent lots of the initiation damage usually flying around. Especially if you consider Annie is basically in melee range to be effective
On April 06 2013 08:43 DragoonTT wrote: Why would you Intervention against Requiem? You can get far better results if you prevent lots of the initiation damage usually flying around. Especially if you consider Annie is basically in melee range to be effective
Intervention+Stand United to defend Annie. During that time, leave Varus to die to the AoE. x)
On April 06 2013 08:42 Sufficiency wrote: As much as I hate CLG, Vulcan is so bad that they don't deserve CLG's 4th place spot.
I agree. Though CLG is pretty bad, too. I just went from watching OGN plays to TSM emulating the Korean scene with less crisp coordination to Vulcun vs Col... ugh.
On April 06 2013 08:47 Anakko wrote: wow. flash/bear into kayle ult. So good
Was pretty predictable actually. As soon as you look at their positioning the obvious question is "Is Annie's flash available?", and the second one is "Aren't coL ahead enough that Intervention is optional?".
I love it when people intercept Cait ult for no reason and die for it. It has become such a reflex to intercept the ult that few people ever make conscious decisions to do so...
MRN's lineup is so ugly. All those tanky guys zerging down GGU - where's the Liandry/BotRK?
Too much DO DIVE for MRN, leaving Nien to get wrecked
The fuck they snipe Karthus from afar and Nien walks right into Defile nonetheless. that wasn't even terrible positioning... that was some of the dumbest decision-making I've seen. Wtf.
So karthus gets sniped (Yay) then nientonosh decides to party over his corpse wtf was an adc doing deep in defile for that long. And what was that megazero ult "BTW GUYS WE WANT TO INITIATE TO I'MMA ULT TO SHOW IT"
On April 06 2013 09:54 Alaric wrote: The fuck they snipe Karthus from afar and Nien walks right into Defile nonetheless. that wasn't even terrible positioning... that was some of the dumbest decision-making I've seen. Wtf.
I've mostly been paying attention to him this entire game and his teamfighting has felt really lackluster. He always has situations where he can live but he always seems to run in for no reason
I don't get nien's build.You pick an ult bot and go standart adc build.The mf pick against that team wasn't really good anyway but it just makes no sense.
On April 06 2013 09:58 nafta wrote: I don't get nien's build.You pick an ult bot and go standart adc build.The mf pick against that team wasn't really good anyway but it just makes no sense.
If he had that kind of build and farm on someone like tristana that'd be great but on an MF it feels wasted.
By the way, my theory is that the Bloodwater factor for Vulcan is partially the good luck charm effect as well. As in, the team believes that he's going to change everything for the better so they have far more confidence than before -> the individuals play much better for that reason. The fact that he's actually a good player and shotcalled as well -> They probably will give Curse a very strong fight.
On April 06 2013 10:17 Shikyo wrote: By the way, my theory is that the Bloodwater factor for Vulcan is partially the good luck charm effect as well. As in, the team believes that he's going to change everything for the better so they have far more confidence than before -> the individuals play much better for that reason. The fact that he's actually a good player and shotcalled as well -> They probably will give Curse a very strong fight.
Or as saint said they might just choke and I'll regret my decision to stay up :D.
On April 06 2013 10:47 Haasts wrote: My stream's lagging significantly - saw Xsmithie go down at dragon, then I skip forward to Crs having aced Vulcan having lost only two. What happened?
On April 06 2013 10:47 Haasts wrote: My stream's lagging significantly - saw Xsmithie go down at dragon, then I skip forward to Crs having aced Vulcan having lost only two. What happened?
bullet time happened
Nasus was low and noone was really burstable (but maybe SV who was split and tanking the drake) and all of Vulcun ran to Curse, giving themselves ready to get finished off the second Nasus lost his remaining 200 HP. Then reset snowball.
On April 06 2013 10:47 Haasts wrote: My stream's lagging significantly - saw Xsmithie go down at dragon, then I skip forward to Crs having aced Vulcan having lost only two. What happened?
bullet time happened
Nasus was low and noone was really burstable (but maybe SV who was split and tanking the drake) and all of Vulcun ran to Curse, giving themselves ready to get finished off the second Nasus lost his remaining 200 HP. Then reset snowball.
Ah, cool. Was wondering if Elementz actually managed to land a decent ultimate for once to set up MF =p
On April 06 2013 10:51 Numy wrote: Did I just see a jungle voli 1v1 a mid zed.
when a champion's damage is based around ult and his ult is down, soloing him is quite possible. With ult Zed would have decimated voli no contest, though.
Also going BotRK instead of BT would probably have let him solo Voli as well.
I don't know, I let the stream on so I had the sound but I stopped looking at it after it was clear from Vulcun's "play" at dragon that the game was over barring major throws (that wouldn't be interesting to watch either). Not really exciting when it's so one-sided because of the awful decision-making.
On April 06 2013 11:10 caelym wrote: It's funny how TL and the LoL community always gushes over 55min throw-fests, but never appreciate the beauty of a methodical control game.
one team getting methodically beaten is not very fun to watch. no real action, I liked that Curse won but the game was kinda over when Vulcan got aced at dragon
On April 06 2013 11:10 caelym wrote: It's funny how TL and the LoL community always gushes over 55min throw-fests, but never appreciate the beauty of a methodical control game.
one team getting methodically beaten is not very fun to watch. no real action, I liked that Curse won but the game was kinda over when Vulcan got aced at dragon
It's probably just me, but I like watching stomps. I'd say that coL vs CLG game is probably the community favorite of this week, but for me it was painful to watch coL struggling to close out an easy game.
On April 06 2013 11:10 caelym wrote: It's funny how TL and the LoL community always gushes over 55min throw-fests, but never appreciate the beauty of a methodical control game.
I'm happy to watch a methodical control game between, say, two top-tier Korean/Chinese teams, but it loses a lot of beauty/subtlety when things aren't executed well by either side - I'll take bad maximalism over bad minimalism, etc.
On April 06 2013 11:10 caelym wrote: It's funny how TL and the LoL community always gushes over 55min throw-fests, but never appreciate the beauty of a methodical control game.
one team getting methodically beaten is not very fun to watch. no real action, I liked that Curse won but the game was kinda over when Vulcan got aced at dragon
It's probably just me, but I like watching stomps. I'd say that coL vs CLG game is probably the community favorite of this week, but for me it was painful to watch coL struggling to close out an easy game.
It's a favorite because of CLG. I don't know what it is because every team will play horrible sometimes, but CLG's bad plays are just so hilarious and entertaining.
On April 06 2013 11:45 Slusher wrote: pr0lly MVP seems weird, he was not the catalyst of either win, especially the Ziggs game, he got a double kill level 1 and let Link free farm vs him.
Wasn't even that great as Annie now that I've been watching the match. Nothing really special... Don't understand. Lautemortis for example has been far more important for the team in this game. Overhype I'd say.
Riot's MVP has rarely used the merit metric. pr0lly gets MVP probably due to "hotness" factor. Newest face to the LCS, first Ziggs, first Annie, going 2-1 in his first week.
But in coL's 3 games, Laute landed some sick, sick Flash/Taunts ftw. Like literally game ending Shadow Dashes.
How did Prolly get voted MvP for this week? I watched all his games expecting to see some good games and coL looked like they played awful (and totally random) and just relied on the other team playing worse =\.
On April 09 2013 08:29 KissBlade wrote: How did Prolly get voted MvP for this week? I watched all his games expecting to see some good games and coL looked like they played awful (and totally random) and just relied on the other team playing worse =\.
Novelty/first time ever champs in LCS + fresh face.
It's been said before. Riot's MVPs are not strictly (read: ever) based simply on merit.
On April 09 2013 08:29 KissBlade wrote: How did Prolly get voted MvP for this week? I watched all his games expecting to see some good games and coL looked like they played awful (and totally random) and just relied on the other team playing worse =\.
Novelty/first time ever champs in LCS + fresh face.
It's been said before. Riot's MVPs are not strictly (read: ever) based simply on merit.
On April 09 2013 08:29 KissBlade wrote: How did Prolly get voted MvP for this week? I watched all his games expecting to see some good games and coL looked like they played awful (and totally random) and just relied on the other team playing worse =\.
Novelty/first time ever champs in LCS + fresh face.
It's been said before. Riot's MVPs are not strictly (read: ever) based simply on merit.
But...Wildturtle. =[
Apparently missing a point blank Whirling Death is grounds for barring you from MVP status. idk
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