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On February 11 2013 06:44 Innuendo wrote:
EG lost on picks imho, if this game showed anything, it's how Oce is not on par even with the rest of his own team
Lol, no idea about it. Oce did play that pretty good after being 1v2 (even 3) in lane and losing his tower at 4:30. He managed to stay relevant (unlike wickd's akali). For e.g. in a fight near the baron pit he singlehandedly blown up yellowpete. So Oce may not be on par with the rest of his team, but if anything this game doesn't prove that at all.
On a sidenote. Olaf's back tooooo damn strong.
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These youtube vods are pretty nice. I can catchup super easily. ALthough, the D1 vods seem to have some random skips in them.
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I don't think EG's picks were bad. It just failed because of two factors in my opinion. Early kills went to Olaf which made it impossible for them to fight SK and they invested a lot of time and resources on taking down top which ultimately failed. If the kills would have fallen elsewhere and they would have managed to take down top when they wanted, they probably would have beem able to win. They lost the first few teamfights only by a narrow margin.
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On February 11 2013 07:21 cLutZ wrote:
These youtube vods are pretty nice. I can catchup super easily. ALthough, the D1 vods seem to have some random skips in them.
Yeah, it's insane how quickly they upload it. Super smooth. Also @twitter guess what is number 1 trending? Yeah, it is - #LCS.
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On February 11 2013 07:01 Slayer91 wrote:
That's a sloppy calculation you have to take into account the current health and armour values.
2k hp 100 armour = 4k ehp
3k hp 100 armour = 6k ehp
2.5k hp 170 armour = 6.75k ehp
Randuins, is, of course, much superior against physical damage. Warmogs is better against a mix.
Randiun's also has the 20% aspd passive, which is going to destroy Warmogs in EHP against another ADC or anyone who auto attacks a decent amount.
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Wait wait am I reading this right. They picked Akali for a guy that only really plays bruisers to a high level?
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I watched the VODs for the first two EU LCS games this week, then I started watching the third one but the new casters were a huge turn-off for me :/
Maybe they were nervous? They just kept talking really fast, whereas the more experienced casters sound much more relaxed most of the time. Hope they get better- I skipped games 3-8 because their debuts really weren't very good.
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I'm interested at how fnatic felt fragile since LCS qualifier. I'm not sure what is the reason for that. I think it's partially because soAz is not a player that is really consistent, sometime he is just crushing and carrying the team, practically on par with xPeke, but sometimes he feel just weak and makes unclear decisions.
On the other hand, I think that Yellowstar is not at Rekless level at all. It was pretty clear when xPeke played caitlyn that he was just way better than Yellowstar. And nRated just pick defensiv oriented support (lulu, taric) and not his more offensiv support that made him make them plays before (blitzcrank, zyra, leona).
Overall, only xPeke seems to play at his best.
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On February 11 2013 07:41 Numy wrote:
Wait wait am I reading this right. They picked Akali for a guy that only really plays bruisers to a high level?
Wickd has been playing quite some Akali nowdays.
Trying out new things is not a bad idea in a season when you have quite some games.
And it would have been completely fine if Olaf didn't get a few kills due to poor decision-making.
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France45622 Posts
I'll never be able to give Froggen guenine credit. He just makes me shake my head and find Anivia bullshit and boring some more, that I can't think up any praise to him when I watch it, only "get us rid of that bullshit already".
Works with pretty much anybody that plays Anivia without rolling over and dying actually.
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On February 11 2013 09:30 Alaric wrote:
I'll never be able to give Froggen guenine credit. He just makes me shake my head and find Anivia bullshit and boring some more, that I can't think up any praise to him when I watch it, only "get us rid of that bullshit already".
Works with pretty much anybody that plays Anivia without rolling over and dying actually.
Yet he plays Lee Sin and Jarvan mid at high levels, as well as having a strong Ahri and Lux. He's very good, and him hogging farm solidifies his position as a scary person to fight against all game long.
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On February 11 2013 09:30 Alaric wrote:
I'll never be able to give Froggen guenine credit. He just makes me shake my head and find Anivia bullshit and boring some more, that I can't think up any praise to him when I watch it, only "get us rid of that bullshit already".
Works with pretty much anybody that plays Anivia without rolling over and dying actually.
Yet the difference between Froggen's and Link's Anivia is stark as anything. He's very clearly obtained complete mastery over the champion.
In fairness Udyr and Olaf are like Anivia food.
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France45622 Posts
Yeah it's being childish and stuff, but I really hate Anivia (and Lee's laning invincibility to some degree) so I have some kind of knee-jerk reaction where I'm too pissed from seeing those champs to actually be in mood to marvel at their players' actions.
(I didn't particularly think his plays in the first dragon fight of EG vs GG were particularly praise-worthy though, the fight seemed to be more due to GG sitting in his ult trying to focus Lulu/Maokai instead of choosing between shooting for the carries or disengaging altogether. :/ I hope Gambit picks up the steam, I haven't watched day2 VoDs yet but their play saturday was pretty disappointing.)
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Just watched the GG-Fnatic game. The Udyr pick was terrible with 4 picks remaining (and Froggenivia a possibility) and though Voli is a similar kind of champ (bruiser who has a speed based gap closer) grabbing him as 4th pick with 2 mostly ccless champs (olaf/kog) already picked by Fnatic was a much better time to bring him out. Renekton also solved a lot of Voli's problems, and was a far better melee partner than Olaf was for Udyr.
I know they lost to Giants (who had a comp with far more immobilize/stun) with Voli jungle, but I think they're really trying to work out where that kind of dive comp works and where it doesn't. Voli and Udyr are too similar picks to be coincidence, and they're too flawed for them to be permapicks for any competetive team. I don't think GGs inconsistency is derping or trolling, I think they want to develop an unorthodox comp they can pull out in the right situation that they've tested in a tournament setting. Given the long form nature of the LCS I'm surprised more teams aren't testing niche comps like this.
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On February 11 2013 10:40 Alaric wrote:
Yeah it's being childish and stuff, but I really hate Anivia (and Lee's laning invincibility to some degree) so I have some kind of knee-jerk reaction where I'm too pissed from seeing those champs to actually be in mood to marvel at their players' actions.
(I didn't particularly think his plays in the first dragon fight of EG vs GG were particularly praise-worthy though, the fight seemed to be more due to GG sitting in his ult trying to focus Lulu/Maokai instead of choosing between shooting for the carries or disengaging altogether. :/ I hope Gambit picks up the steam, I haven't watched day2 VoDs yet but their play saturday was pretty disappointing.)
Lee's laning really isn't invincible anymore. I've just resorted to maxing q and playing balls deep and regretting nothing because maxing W is 1 boring 2 not that good anymore. Maxing E is pretty good against many champions but it doesn't offer the invincibility that maxing W offered anymore, unfortunately.
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On February 11 2013 10:28 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 09:30 Alaric wrote:
I'll never be able to give Froggen guenine credit. He just makes me shake my head and find Anivia bullshit and boring some more, that I can't think up any praise to him when I watch it, only "get us rid of that bullshit already".
Works with pretty much anybody that plays Anivia without rolling over and dying actually. Yet the difference between Froggen's and Link's Anivia is stark as anything. He's very clearly obtained complete mastery over the champion. In fairness Udyr and Olaf are like Anivia food.
And yet, Olaf wrecked faces in the CLG vs. Curse game from friday on NA LCS... which only reinforces your point that Froggen's Anivia is light years ahead of Link's Anivia, I suppose.
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On February 11 2013 23:16 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:28 Amarok wrote:On February 11 2013 09:30 Alaric wrote:
I'll never be able to give Froggen guenine credit. He just makes me shake my head and find Anivia bullshit and boring some more, that I can't think up any praise to him when I watch it, only "get us rid of that bullshit already".
Works with pretty much anybody that plays Anivia without rolling over and dying actually. Yet the difference between Froggen's and Link's Anivia is stark as anything. He's very clearly obtained complete mastery over the champion. In fairness Udyr and Olaf are like Anivia food. And yet, Olaf wrecked faces in the CLG vs. Curse game from friday on NA LCS... which only reinforces your point that Froggen's Anivia is light years ahead of Link's Anivia, I suppose.
I think sometimes we can't just look at the play of 1 player. Of course, Froggen's Anivia is special. But he also gets the more 'support' then most other mids. Sometimes this might cause his team's other lanes to be weaker. So although we see Froggen carry his team a lot compare to other mids, it is also caused by EG's overall strategy to give Froggen the most support. So if Froggen doesn't carry, they are at a disadvantage because their top/AD carry isn't as strong.
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France45622 Posts
Yeah that was mainly pre-Lee's W nerf anyway. 
I'm watching sunday's VoDs now, wow Wickd on Akali? When did he start playing her? Oo
About jungle Volibear and Slusher surprised from his passive: Diamond didn't smite blue buff in either game, tho you seem to think he did it the first time he didn't.
And I really liked GIANTS playstyle, including how they adaptated to the level 3 dive on their 1v2 laner according to the previous games. Plus Jimbo is super entertaining.
SK and EG are the two teams I dislike in EU LCS, and I expected EG to smash SK who kinda appeared as the butt of the joke who lucked their seed into the league... at first I was like "oh well, at least it'll be fun", then I started thinking "well if SK wins I'm happy to see EG lose, if not I'll have a good laugh, it's a win/win" and then when they took a decisive lead I was pretty happy to see EG destroyed. Guess I know who I dislike most now. x)
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Froggen's Anivia is unmatched in teamfights tho. Nothing to do with laning 'help' , his walls are stuns are so spot on, you cant just put that on his lanesupport only. For example the wall on his own blue area at dragon to stop the just teleported Alex, while stunning 3 others was such a quick thinking moment, it takes a great player to pull that off. And he does it all the time. Im no fanboy by any means, but the man is a machine on anivia and while farming with any champion in general.
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United States23745 Posts
On February 12 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:Yeah that was mainly pre-Lee's W nerf anyway. I'm watching sunday's VoDs now, wow Wickd on Akali? When did he start playing her? OoAbout jungle Volibear and Slusher surprised from his passive: Diamond didn't smite blue buff in either game, tho you seem to think he did it the first time he didn't. And I really liked GIANTS playstyle, including how they adaptated to the level 3 dive on their 1v2 laner according to the previous games. Plus Jimbo is super entertaining. SK and EG are the two teams I dislike in EU LCS, and I expected EG to smash SK who kinda appeared as the butt of the joke who lucked their seed into the league... at first I was like "oh well, at least it'll be fun", then I started thinking "well if SK wins I'm happy to see EG lose, if not I'll have a good laugh, it's a win/win" and then when they took a decisive lead I was pretty happy to see EG destroyed. Guess I know who I dislike most now. x)
We were talking about it among the staff and we think EG is trying out some new things in real game situations since losing one game isn't the end of the world in the LCS. We don't think EG took Wolves/SK very seriously so they were trying out a more aggressive play style which is obviously against the norm for them. Their comp against GAM was much more traditional for them.
Also I like Jimbo, but expect Kennen to be banned for now on lol.
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