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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9243 Posts
November 23 2012 23:30 GMT
#381
Some terrible decision making by Fnatic, they can actually lose this now.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 23:34:47
November 23 2012 23:34 GMT
#382
Oh yeah Zyra's plants damage gonna be huge with that void staff, as long as she can keep them up, now that she's level 18. ôo
Ah no she's 15. 360p ftw.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 23 2012 23:34 GMT
#383
''If these teams make a mistake, it could mean the game'' These commentators are on a roll
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 23 2012 23:34 GMT
#384
Considering all 5 people on Fnatic use AP why wouldn't Zyra buy WotA if she wanted an AP item? seems better than void staff at least...
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 23:35:53
November 23 2012 23:35 GMT
#385
Why is that zyra building void staff? Anyone explain? Is the % mpen better than straight up dcap for damage?
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 23 2012 23:36 GMT
#386
wickd throwing planets
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 23 2012 23:36 GMT
#387
Her plants deal around 160 damage per attack now. A void staff means she's gonna hurt, even as a support, whoever gets caught by them.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 23 2012 23:36 GMT
#388
Someone explain what clg screwed in the teamfights, please.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
November 23 2012 23:37 GMT
#389
On November 24 2012 08:36 Alaric wrote:
Her plants deal around 160 damage per attack now. A void staff means she's gonna hurt, even as a support, whoever gets caught by them.


Plants scale with magic penetration but not AP then? Honest question.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 23 2012 23:37 GMT
#390
% MPen is pretty huge when there's 100+ MR on your opponents and void staff costs only 2.2k.

That zhonya on zyra did some real work though.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
November 23 2012 23:38 GMT
#391
Wickd didnt do anything there. Also they were behind quite a bit before that fight.
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 23:42:38
November 23 2012 23:39 GMT
#392
On November 24 2012 08:36 shinarit wrote:
Someone explain what clg screwed in the teamfights, please.

wickd died for free (talking about the last one)
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
November 23 2012 23:40 GMT
#393
On November 24 2012 08:36 shinarit wrote:
Someone explain what clg screwed in the teamfights, please.


Their team didnt have a ton of teamfight presence - everyone on fnatic except for ezreal was packing some huge aoe CC, compared to TF Irelia blitz mostly being single target, and cho's AOE CC's are nothing compared to Amumu and Zyra ultis. In several fights Amumu and Zyra ultis were CCing 4 or 5 people.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 23 2012 23:40 GMT
#394
Zhonya's is pretty dubious but considering nRated got hooked somewhere in the vicinity of a million times that game I suppose that justifies it.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 23 2012 23:40 GMT
#395
On November 24 2012 08:37 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 08:36 Alaric wrote:
Her plants deal around 160 damage per attack now. A void staff means she's gonna hurt, even as a support, whoever gets caught by them.


Plants scale with magic penetration but not AP then? Honest question.

Magic Damage [Plants]: 26 + (6 × level) + (+ 20% AP)
With such high base damage and support gold, penetration is a lot more effective than AP. That's why some go Haunting Guise on Zyra too: penetration to increase her damage, and HP for tankiness.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nxk
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2291 Posts
November 23 2012 23:41 GMT
#396
On November 24 2012 08:36 shinarit wrote:
Someone explain what clg screwed in the teamfights, please.


Their teamcomp was inferior in straight up 5sv5 teamfights - TF and Blitz versus Amumu/Jax/Zyra/Diana.

TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 23 2012 23:44 GMT
#397
On November 24 2012 08:40 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 08:36 shinarit wrote:
Someone explain what clg screwed in the teamfights, please.


Their team didnt have a ton of teamfight presence - everyone on fnatic except for ezreal was packing some huge aoe CC, compared to TF Irelia blitz mostly being single target, and cho's AOE CC's are nothing compared to Amumu and Zyra ultis. In several fights Amumu and Zyra ultis were CCing 4 or 5 people.


I do think squishies in the front line + AoE cc is pretty under-rated in this game (at least at a low level). Once you get past the mentality of "tanks and squishies" and start thinking "front line and back line" you can pull off some pretty cool stuff. Diana got to blow up Froggen every fight purely because everyone was moving around to dodge Zyra/Amumu ults. It's like the insane Morgana + Vayne combo.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
November 23 2012 23:46 GMT
#398
On November 24 2012 08:40 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 08:37 Serelitz wrote:
On November 24 2012 08:36 Alaric wrote:
Her plants deal around 160 damage per attack now. A void staff means she's gonna hurt, even as a support, whoever gets caught by them.


Plants scale with magic penetration but not AP then? Honest question.

Magic Damage [Plants]: 26 + (6 × level) + (+ 20% AP)
With such high base damage and support gold, penetration is a lot more effective than AP. That's why some go Haunting Guise on Zyra too: penetration to increase her damage, and HP for tankiness.


Okay ty! I'll definitely think about it some more. Zyra support is still a bit underexplored for me and I really want to learn her.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 23 2012 23:46 GMT
#399
Do it fast, I think she's gonna get a nerf soon
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
valonqar
Profile Joined March 2012
12 Posts
November 23 2012 23:46 GMT
#400
On November 24 2012 08:37 Serelitz wrote:


Plants scale with magic penetration but not AP then? Honest question.


All magic damage scales with mpen. Lately top level ap mids have been moving away from classical dc build to more of utility build of zhonias, abyssal and other magic pen items.
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