On October 05 2012 23:33 Goshawk. wrote: Also something to bring up is that I don't understand why the teams are playing so little games. It's the World Finals and 4 teams get sent home after only playing 3 games (3 bo1s is terrible when you consider the imbalance of the map/first pick). Today another 4 teams go home, with each team only playing a max of 3 more games. What's more if the auto seeded teams (the 4/5 teams getting seeded was the most retarded shit I've seen in a long time) lose there first games they will go out having only played 2 or 3 games. So it's possible 8/12 teams go home after only playing 3 games. For a hyped up world finals with this amount of prize pool on the line the format is completely insufficient. With the format I can easily see a team who don't really deserve it getting much further than they should.
Reason teams are playing so few games is they've already competed in dozens circuit events throughout the season and for the finals they wanted 1 stream to show all the games, thus you can't have everyone playing everyone.
What imbalance are you talking about ? Did you watch the group stage at all ? There was not a single doubt the best teams qualified and the "map imbalance" had 0 impact. No one doubts that even if they played 100 games with each other, the same teams would qualify in the same order. Format was not ideal but games themselves showed it was good enough.
Up till now there has not been a team going further than they should and probably won't. When it happens you can complain about it.
goes to show how that international 2 format was good, wish they do something similar next year with the world championship
Similar with TI2 ? You are joking right ? Teams being invited and NOT qualified for the biggest event of the year ? That's the hugest joke ever. Teams were formed just for that event and after it all the scene was in disarray. Double elimination with loser bracket bo1 ? Ridiculous spread of the prize pool ? No thanks.
Just because teams play a lot during the season, it doesn't mean you should limit the amount of games they play at the finals. The finals should be were the most games are played.
It's widely accepted (and repeatedly stated) that the blue team has the advantage I don't know why you are questioning this... The results of the games change nothing about the problems of a bo1 group stage, which you didn't address at all.
Again, you can't just argue that "it's okay because nothing wrong has happened yet", it's like building a shitty bridge and saying it's fine because it hasn't broken yet, ignoring all structural flaws.
EDIT: On TI2, I don't agree that the format was perfect-far from it. I just feel playing such a few amount of games from all the teams is disappointing. Personally, I feel single elim is great as it makes every match a lot more important but quarter finals only bo3 single elim in world finals simply isn't enough games.
First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1
On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote: Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1
lol indeed
I agree with people that it is ridiculous that group stage has only 3 games. At least make it a bo2. Someone claimed that there were "dozens" of circuit events before and therefore it is okay. I don't agree.
1 bo3 in playoff and 3 bo1 in group stage? lol
Also I thought the prizepool was 5 millions? Must have changed.
On October 06 2012 01:13 3 Lions wrote: Sorry, why is WE vs. CLG.eu tomorrow?
They did a drawing for the quarterfinal matches last night
He's talking about how there are three quarterfinals today and then the fourth one is tomorrow. The logical explanation is that they wanted three games each day.
On October 06 2012 01:13 3 Lions wrote: Sorry, why is WE vs. CLG.eu tomorrow?
They did a drawing for the quarterfinal matches last night
He's talking about how there are three quarterfinals today and then the fourth one is tomorrow. The logical explanation is that they wanted three games each day.
First match of today is iG vs M5 then last match of the day is TSM vs Frost
On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote: Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1
lol indeed
I agree with people that it is ridiculous that group stage has only 3 games. At least make it a bo2. Someone claimed that there were "dozens" of circuit events before and therefore it is okay. I don't agree.
1 bo3 in playoff and 3 bo1 in group stage? lol
Also I thought the prizepool was 5 millions? Must have changed.
that was $5 million over the entire season I believe. So circuit event, and regional playoff prizes account for the other $3m (Or whatever it is).
On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote: First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1
I think the biggest thing I've noticed is that casters having to fill time instead of another panel. It just drains your casting team and doesn't really fill time as well as another desk can do. Every event should be doing this ;(. That and how there was so little downtime between games because of how freaking fast they changed the players booths. Man that was impressive.
On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote: First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1
I think the biggest thing I've noticed is that casters having to fill time instead of another panel. It just drains your casting team and doesn't really fill time as well as another desk can do. Every event should be doing this ;(. That and how there was so little downtime between games because of how freaking fast they changed the players booths. Man that was impressive.
Ye, one thing sc2 tournaments have been doing (since a dreamhack i believe) is using a couch with game-experts to analyze & review a game. It's similar in soccer where a commentator does the commentary during a match but a different group of people do halftime analysis & post-game analysis. This also takes a lot of weight off the casters during the match because there is no need to analyze stuff like item buys in the heat of a game (where casters will be prone to making mistakes); this can be done later and well thought through.
My god those trolls, CLG.eu are quite funny when they want to.
Also, Ocelot just basically said they lost because they were worst, while CLG.NA got busted and said they lost because of map imbalance and random excuse. I'm sad SK didn't win against them, they just doesn't deserve any win with their shitty spirit.
On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote: First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1
I think the biggest thing I've noticed is that casters having to fill time instead of another panel. It just drains your casting team and doesn't really fill time as well as another desk can do. Every event should be doing this ;(. That and how there was so little downtime between games because of how freaking fast they changed the players booths. Man that was impressive.
Ye, one thing sc2 tournaments have been doing (since a dreamhack i believe) is using a couch with game-experts to analyze & review a game. It's similar in soccer where a commentator does the commentary during a match but a different group of people do halftime analysis & post-game analysis. This also takes a lot of weight off the casters during the match because there is no need to analyze stuff like item buys in the heat of a game (where casters will be prone to making mistakes); this can be done later and well thought through.
This would be amazing in LoL...but unfortunately, I can't think of a group of 3-5 people who can do that. Maybe the IGN guys? League of Legends is very stretched in terms of "game-experts." The game is simply too young to expect so much in my opinion.
I've sidebarred today's event as well. I should have someone associating the stream with the event since I'm slaving away at work, but in case that doesn't happen, PM me and I'll get it resolved.
And Neo, maybe once before. And thanks to ETT, I had a TL free weekend that time. -_-
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