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On October 06 2012 02:01 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:54 Schwopzi wrote:On October 06 2012 01:37 Numy wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1 I think the biggest thing I've noticed is that casters having to fill time instead of another panel. It just drains your casting team and doesn't really fill time as well as another desk can do. Every event should be doing this ;(. That and how there was so little downtime between games because of how freaking fast they changed the players booths. Man that was impressive. Ye, one thing sc2 tournaments have been doing (since a dreamhack i believe) is using a couch with game-experts to analyze & review a game. It's similar in soccer where a commentator does the commentary during a match but a different group of people do halftime analysis & post-game analysis. This also takes a lot of weight off the casters during the match because there is no need to analyze stuff like item buys in the heat of a game (where casters will be prone to making mistakes); this can be done later and well thought through. This would be amazing in LoL...but unfortunately, I can't think of a group of 3-5 people who can do that. Maybe the IGN guys? League of Legends is very stretched in terms of "game-experts." The game is simply too young to expect so much in my opinion.
May god have mercy on us all.
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Oh man, that wickd, snoopeh, and maknoon vid. fucking hilarious. lol, snoopeh is faking the translation was hilarious.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On October 06 2012 02:07 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 02:01 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 01:54 Schwopzi wrote:On October 06 2012 01:37 Numy wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1 I think the biggest thing I've noticed is that casters having to fill time instead of another panel. It just drains your casting team and doesn't really fill time as well as another desk can do. Every event should be doing this ;(. That and how there was so little downtime between games because of how freaking fast they changed the players booths. Man that was impressive. Ye, one thing sc2 tournaments have been doing (since a dreamhack i believe) is using a couch with game-experts to analyze & review a game. It's similar in soccer where a commentator does the commentary during a match but a different group of people do halftime analysis & post-game analysis. This also takes a lot of weight off the casters during the match because there is no need to analyze stuff like item buys in the heat of a game (where casters will be prone to making mistakes); this can be done later and well thought through. This would be amazing in LoL...but unfortunately, I can't think of a group of 3-5 people who can do that. Maybe the IGN guys? League of Legends is very stretched in terms of "game-experts." The game is simply too young to expect so much in my opinion. May god have mercy on us all.
Why you hatin on Nick Allen, Red Baron, and HatPerson? Hue
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On October 06 2012 02:07 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 02:01 nojitosunrise wrote:On October 06 2012 01:54 Schwopzi wrote:On October 06 2012 01:37 Numy wrote:On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1 I think the biggest thing I've noticed is that casters having to fill time instead of another panel. It just drains your casting team and doesn't really fill time as well as another desk can do. Every event should be doing this ;(. That and how there was so little downtime between games because of how freaking fast they changed the players booths. Man that was impressive. Ye, one thing sc2 tournaments have been doing (since a dreamhack i believe) is using a couch with game-experts to analyze & review a game. It's similar in soccer where a commentator does the commentary during a match but a different group of people do halftime analysis & post-game analysis. This also takes a lot of weight off the casters during the match because there is no need to analyze stuff like item buys in the heat of a game (where casters will be prone to making mistakes); this can be done later and well thought through. This would be amazing in LoL...but unfortunately, I can't think of a group of 3-5 people who can do that. Maybe the IGN guys? League of Legends is very stretched in terms of "game-experts." The game is simply too young to expect so much in my opinion. May god have mercy on us all.
They have pretty good personalities and awesome passion for the game. As soon as they educate themselves a little bit more (i think baron is a plat/diamond player now?), I think they will be awesome.
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I just realized. Isn't it really easy to earhack? Was watching the vod and there's a lot of parts where the crowd goes crazy when someone goes the wrong way and they switch directions fairly quickly after they hear it. :l
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On October 06 2012 02:11 wussleeQ wrote:
I just realized. Isn't it really easy to earhack? Was watching the vod and there's a lot of parts where the crowd goes crazy when someone goes the wrong way and they switch directions fairly quickly after they hear it. :l
According to CLGNA (?), it was very easy to hear the crowd during the regionals.
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you "could" just get one of the eliminated teams to do it, I think Chauster + Ocelot would be a great analysis duo
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On October 06 2012 02:13 Kupon3ss wrote:
you "could" just get one of the eliminated teams to do it, I think Chauster + Ocelot would be a great analysis duo
Didn't doublelift commentate an OGN game, to great success?
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i think the ign guys are prob best or closest to best for analyzing the game or w/e, but still they are casters at heart imo.
theres a lot of exciting plays that happen that just get breezed over 
ALSO, THE iG / frost match was TOO CRAZY
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Snoopeh actually guess-translated what Wickd quite well according to that top YT comment
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actually the thing that annoys me most about the analyzing / strategy presentation the casters are doing in this tournament is that its like... so outdated . all they would talk about for dig was like all 8 months ago, as if there werent online tourneys or recent performances and stuff..
similar with clg.na, at least what stuck out to me O.o i didnt get to watch all the games
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On October 06 2012 02:01 nojitosunrise wrote:
This would be amazing in LoL...but unfortunately, I can't think of a group of 3-5 people who can do that.
Maybe the IGN guys? League of Legends is very stretched in terms of "game-experts." The game is simply too young to expect so much in my opinion.
I don't think you need high level analysis just to talk about a game that just went on. You just need to not give bad or dumb analysis, which apparently is a huge problem in LoL.
Just watch any sports highlight reels, like on SportsCenter, and you'll see that the anchors don't really say anything high level. I'm pretty sure you can get 3-5 people here on this thread that could do it.
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Kobe24, Scarra, Wingsofdeathx, Chauster, would be a pretty good post-game analysis group.
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On October 06 2012 01:37 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 01:23 NeoIllusions wrote:
First, thanks Yango and Kupon3ss for all your feedback, especially the compare and contrast between Worlds and TI2. I'll be talking to Riot next week and after Worlds about what they did right and where they fell short on. Having not watch TI2, you comments have and will be very helpful.
Second, Roffles isn't ban immune so please don't jab at him Shake. Roffles is flamboyant at times and could tone down the cursing but he doesn't bullshit. I'm the biggest Chauster fan but if he did say all those excuses, I cringe a bit. I admit that being humorous, even at the cost of my own favorites, does grant a little leniency but I've never noticed roffles crossing the line.
Lastly, hope everyone is enjoying the games. I appreciate the dota2 talk a few pages ago with zero flames. TL LoL es #1 I think the biggest thing I've noticed is that casters having to fill time instead of another panel. It just drains your casting team and doesn't really fill time as well as another desk can do. Every event should be doing this ;(. That and how there was so little downtime between games because of how freaking fast they changed the players booths. Man that was impressive.
I'm a bit late to the comparison party but here are some of my thoughts. I agree with a lot of what has been said already about production and casters an Riot definitely has a lot to work on compared to TI2. But Riot has done some stuff better, especially for the players and the live audience.
Players - they know when they are playing and when they need to get to the venue. Group A and B games are separated so we don't have teams sitting around for the entire day waiting to finish up their last game. The most any team will have to wait around would be ~6 hours (2 x bo3 for Days 2/3) unless Riot made the Group B teams show their face at 9am during Day 1. I remember one of the issues DK said they had was that they had to wait around for 9 hours in Benaroya Hall until it was game time against Na'Vi.
Audience - Again I had issues with TI2's schedule for Day 1. Valve was way too ambitious trying to play a potential of 16 games in 1 day with downtime in between (they ended up playing 15 games). It was good for the stream viewers who could watch for 16 hours in the comfort of their homes but it was brutal for anyone who wanted to watch all the games live. It's probably also why Riot chose to put the last quarterfinals onto Day 3 - there will at most be 9 games/day for bracket play.
That being said, I think Riot can improve the feeling of downtime during b/p by talking about other stuff until all the bans are already done. They did this for TI2 and the transition was pretty smooth. The casters can fill up time waiting for the teams to pick their next champs by talking about the bans and what they mean. It's probably a bit harder for Riot's setup since they don't have a separate panel to give the casters more time to think of what to say.
There is also a lack of preparation for somewhat expected things like glare on the computer screen or the mic picking up wind. Those are things you know can happen when you pick an outdoor venue so hopefully it won't happen for the next 2 days.
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Well my bigest complaint is tournament structure. I would prefere more matches and more fair structre. Something that really allows the teams to show their best play, give them the oportunity. 3xBo1 seems not sufficient (and in some cases that might be 1bo3really?
I know more games mean more stream time, but if thats a problem the solution is two or even more streams. Sc2 tournaments manage two or even more streams at once, cant see why big comapny like riot cant do the same.
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On October 06 2012 02:36 Silvanel wrote:
Well my bigest complaint is tournament structure. I would prefere more matches and more fair structre. Something that really allows the teams to show their best play, give them the oportunity. 3xBo1 seems not sufficient (and in some cases that might be 1bo3really?
I know more games mean more stream time, but if thats a problem the solution is two or even more streams. Sc2 tournaments manage two or even more streams at once, cant see why big comapny like riot cant do the same.
The problem is in the fact that they would need a second stream. So that means they need more casters. Also, they would need to have a double stream for each of the international streams (12 of them!), unless you want to screw a portion of your viewer base by not streaming some games to them.
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On October 06 2012 02:12 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 02:11 wussleeQ wrote:
I just realized. Isn't it really easy to earhack? Was watching the vod and there's a lot of parts where the crowd goes crazy when someone goes the wrong way and they switch directions fairly quickly after they hear it. :l According to CLGNA (?), it was very easy to hear the crowd during the regionals.
You mean the game isn't be shown to the crowd on a delay?
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On October 06 2012 02:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 02:13 Kupon3ss wrote:
you "could" just get one of the eliminated teams to do it, I think Chauster + Ocelot would be a great analysis duo Didn't doublelift commentate an OGN game, to great success?
Yeah, he was actually really informative and didn't overstep the other commentators.
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On October 06 2012 02:36 Silvanel wrote:
Well my bigest complaint is tournament structure. I would prefere more matches and more fair structre. Something that really allows the teams to show their best play, give them the oportunity. 3xBo1 seems not sufficient (and in some cases that might be 1bo3really?
I know more games mean more stream time, but if thats a problem the solution is two or even more streams. Sc2 tournaments manage two or even more streams at once, cant see why big comapny like riot cant do the same.
that many games is not only taxing on the production, but also the players...
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On October 06 2012 02:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 02:15 wei2coolman wrote:On October 06 2012 02:13 Kupon3ss wrote:
you "could" just get one of the eliminated teams to do it, I think Chauster + Ocelot would be a great analysis duo Didn't doublelift commentate an OGN game, to great success? Yeah, he was actually really informative and didn't overstep the other commentators.
I liked Locodoco co-casting more but yes, having a player co-cast would be awesome.
Won't happen though :-(
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