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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 12 2012 21:01 GMT
#681
This game was way atypical in terms of passivity. So boring.

In early 2011 (I'm estimating, don't really remember how long ago it was) pretty much all the games were like this, there have been a lot of balance changes since to make things more aggressive. This was exactly like one of those deadly boring old style games.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
August 12 2012 21:03 GMT
#682
Akali such a strong anticarry.

I feel that MTW just didn't have enough control in their setup for a trist ad. Nunu and Soraka don't have hard CC, Shen's CC is minor and his shield on the AD requires him to be inactive.

Trist needs to stay alive to be able to do damage. Trist can jump away from an Akali, but she'll just jump after her. Plus an AP anticarry against a soraka is of course good. The armor buff that trist gets from the heal doesn't do much.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 21:06:28
August 12 2012 21:04 GMT
#683
On August 13 2012 05:53 AsnSensation wrote:
Westrice doesnt look very good on "standard tournament play" top champs ut his akali is pretty beast hehe

He actually has been doing much better than i thought he would when he joined Crs, i've seen him make great plays on jax, malph and olaf.

Also, Crs improved a million since Saint joined them, if they keep up like this i see a super strong team in the future
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13408 Posts
August 12 2012 21:06 GMT
#684
On August 13 2012 06:01 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 06:00 ZeromuS wrote:
On August 13 2012 05:59 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 13 2012 05:57 ZeromuS wrote:
On August 13 2012 05:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 13 2012 05:46 ZeromuS wrote:
On August 13 2012 05:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
boring game t.t not even dragon contest


I am trying to learn a little bit of lol and this is for sure really boring for me

That one hour long game earlier with the Spawn Ultimate by Reginald I think (the player not the champ idk what champ it is lol) was fun to watch.

I guess you could make comparisons to SC2 where two player have gigantic deathballs and neither wants to be the first to engage (remember Happy v ToD?). Sometimes teams just don't want to fight. Not much to do about it.


I understand that much but it seemed like there wasn't even poking.

Most SC2 matches now have bits of pressure thrown in here and there and high level play is moving forward.

In this though it just seems like indecision from both sides on where and when to engage

In this game I should point out Im not trying to start a LoL debate -_-

Neither teams really have poke skills that let them shoot things at each other from a distance so that's a factor.

In LoL, teams are sometimes more cautious about fighting because the respawn timers become rather long. Imagine if you weren't allowed to remacro your deathball until 50 sec after it dies. You'd play more cautiously as a result.

If you like aggressive play, check out some of the Korean teams. Azubu Blaze is the current posterboy for this heh.


Thats fine, but in the same way super passive SC2 might not be fun to watch, super passive LoL is similarly not that fun to watch haha

I am sure many people agree with you heh.

Although top level TvT in SC:BW was really good even if it looked like not much ever happened. The last few series of Flash v Fantasy were really great.


But therein lies a particular difference that I have noticed. When nothing is "happening" more seems to be happening in SC:BW and SC2 in the TvT matchup specifically. Its all about positioning, and tank lines and other small tiny advantages that come from just playing TvT at a super high level.

This doesn't happen in any other matchup in SC and far less in SC2 than in SC:BW.

I think the only passive game that is amazingly fun to watch is a super high level TvT where there is tension at all times as a result of positioning. This tension doesnt exist for me in any other matchup in SC2 or BW or LoL (where passivity is the trait of definition from necessity as opposed to a result of indecision).

The only exception being holding some spectacularly difficult to stop all in slow push from Terran. But then thats the same as setting up for a major ambush in LoL which didn't happen in this most recent game
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
August 12 2012 21:07 GMT
#685
I hate this IPL setup. The commentators right behind both teams? And the players just have the headphones for soundproofing? Why......
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13408 Posts
August 12 2012 21:08 GMT
#686
Thanks for taking the time to chat with me people, I just realised one of my favourite Toss (creator) is playing in TSL4 so off I go. I might pop back in here later. Thanks for the nice LR to enjoy alongside a couple games.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 12 2012 21:11 GMT
#687
On August 13 2012 06:07 Slow Motion wrote:
I hate this IPL setup. The commentators right behind both teams? And the players just have the headphones for soundproofing? Why......


apparently those are helicopter HS + earbuds but i have no idea if they are realls soundproof
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
August 12 2012 21:11 GMT
#688
On August 13 2012 06:07 Slow Motion wrote:
I hate this IPL setup. The commentators right behind both teams? And the players just have the headphones for soundproofing? Why......


They can't hear anything.
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 21:13:41
August 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#689
But therein lies a particular difference that I have noticed. When nothing is "happening" more seems to be happening in SC:BW and SC2 in the TvT matchup specifically. Its all about positioning, and tank lines and other small tiny advantages that come from just playing TvT at a super high level.


Oh there are many more positioning then you (and the commentators :p) realize. The game is kinda that "passive" or the so called baron dance because if one champion dies the game is over. It is probably not that exiciting to watch and even less fun to play (hell its so exhausting to be in the pressure for 10-20 mins when no one dies but you know if you are out of the position for half a sec the game is over)



apparently those are helicopter HS + earbuds but i have no idea if they are realls soundproof

They are decently soundproofed but you will still hear some things occasionally + you will obv always hear the crowd
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
August 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#690
Ooh Darius pick.

I suppose those dots are damn stronk against tanks like mundo or shen.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13408 Posts
August 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#691
On August 13 2012 06:13 Ente wrote:
Show nested quote +
But therein lies a particular difference that I have noticed. When nothing is "happening" more seems to be happening in SC:BW and SC2 in the TvT matchup specifically. Its all about positioning, and tank lines and other small tiny advantages that come from just playing TvT at a super high level.


Oh there are many more positioning then you (and the commentators :p) realize. The game is kinda that "passive" or the so called baron dance because if one champion dies the game is over. It is probably not that exiciting to watch and even less fun to play (hell its so exhausting to be in the pressure for 10-20 mins when no one dies but you know if you are out of the position for half a sec the game is over)
Show nested quote +



apparently those are helicopter HS + earbuds but i have no idea if they are realls soundproof

They are decently soundproofed but you will still hear some things occasionally + you will obv always hear the crowd


I meant earlier in the game. The first 20 minutes were stupid passive and positioning wasn't even something you could see as being the main goal. They werent positioning to be aggressive they were positioning to be able to defend and farm passively.

As the game went on there was more positioning involved but it was still different than the kind of tactical aggression i saw earlier in the day in different games.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
August 12 2012 21:20 GMT
#692
On August 13 2012 06:19 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2012 06:13 Ente wrote:
But therein lies a particular difference that I have noticed. When nothing is "happening" more seems to be happening in SC:BW and SC2 in the TvT matchup specifically. Its all about positioning, and tank lines and other small tiny advantages that come from just playing TvT at a super high level.


Oh there are many more positioning then you (and the commentators :p) realize. The game is kinda that "passive" or the so called baron dance because if one champion dies the game is over. It is probably not that exiciting to watch and even less fun to play (hell its so exhausting to be in the pressure for 10-20 mins when no one dies but you know if you are out of the position for half a sec the game is over)



apparently those are helicopter HS + earbuds but i have no idea if they are realls soundproof

They are decently soundproofed but you will still hear some things occasionally + you will obv always hear the crowd


I meant earlier in the game. The first 20 minutes were stupid passive and positioning wasn't even something you could see as being the main goal. They werent positioning to be aggressive they were positioning to be able to defend and farm passively.

As the game went on there was more positioning involved but it was still different than the kind of tactical aggression i saw earlier in the day in different games.


That's what you get when Saint plays the Alistar jungle
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
August 12 2012 21:25 GMT
#693
oh man nyjacky so guud
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 12 2012 21:32 GMT
#694
mancloud getting outplayed so bad.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
August 12 2012 21:32 GMT
#695
Why choose Ahri if you're just going to sit in lane the whole game? I don't get it....
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Hyren
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States817 Posts
August 12 2012 21:36 GMT
#696
Jacky playing soooo much better than he did at MLG Arena
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 12 2012 21:37 GMT
#697
The issues of passivity in LoL are exacerbated by the fact that English LoL commentators suck at filling that downtime with meaningful content, so it emphasizes how much nothing is going on.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 12 2012 21:38 GMT
#698
On August 13 2012 06:32 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Why choose Ahri if you're just going to sit in lane the whole game? I don't get it....


Not to mention the Ahri is getting demolished by.... Morgana....
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
August 12 2012 21:38 GMT
#699
What patch does China currently play on?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 21:40:19
August 12 2012 21:40 GMT
#700
On August 13 2012 06:38 beefhamburger wrote:
What patch does China currently play on?

Zyra afaik.

Afair this tournamnet is on diana, but they can't play diana because china doesn't have her yet.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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