EPTcalling it now, Yorick ban inc.
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
calling it now, Yorick ban inc. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
tsm looked on the back foot both games, but a good series regardless | ||
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Parametric
Canada1261 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:12 overt wrote: No. As MoonBear pointed out, the only reason team fights have been close is because Yorick turns team fights into a 5v6. Without Yorick Regi would've done awful that last game. One of the big reasons Azubu got owned so hard during that tower dive in game one was because of Yorick ult too. That's the thing though, the person with the yorick ulti rezes but yorick himself isn't being a factor besides the second life. In the first game he was such a big factor because chaox had all their gold, in the second one he'd pass cass a second life but instead of betting on her dieing why not have someone with CC that can protect her? | ||
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Gold scores were close in game 1. Yet, TSM had no inner turrets left at what 25 minutes? All of this while only taking one turret of their own. The games are not close at all. Entertaining, sure. You can spin this the opposite way. Gold scores are close despite TSM's massive tower disadvantage. Take away the element of surprise and unfamiliarity that Blaze's style has, and who's doing the outclassing now? This is the first time TSM has played against a Korean team on even footing(connection wise). They're going up against a style of play they know very little about, especially compared to how much Blaze(and every other team) knows about TSM's playstyle. If this was CLG getting beat, given their experience with the Korean scene, then yes we could call outclassed. But right now this seems to be mostly just unfamiliarity and inexperience, not outclassing. | ||
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Frost
Korea (South)1042 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:12 lefty wrote: No, that's what they started that subject with, followed up with would it be bm to go shake their hands after, then concluded the losers would do that. No, that's the thing. None of them followed up with "would it be bm to go shake their hands after". The whole conversation was: "Ah, they play well" -> "hey, whether we win or lose let's go shake hands" -> "can everyone hear us" -> "let's stop cussing" -> "ah, they play well". | ||
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:16 WirelessWaffle wrote: That's the thing though, the person with the yorick ulti rezes but yorick himself isn't being a factor besides the second life. In the first game he was such a big factor because chaox had all their gold, in the second one he'd pass cass a second life but instead of betting on her dieing why not have someone with CC that can protect her? Because it's fruitless to try and protect Regi. | ||
era
United States268 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:12 overt wrote: No. As MoonBear pointed out, the only reason team fights have been close is because Yorick turns team fights into a 5v6. Without Yorick Regi would've done awful that last game. One of the big reasons Azubu got owned so hard during that tower dive in game one was because of Yorick ult too. To expand on this. First game, Corki was the only threat on TSM. By being able to keep Yorick Ult on Corki it meant that even though everyone else was useless, Azubu was basically playing against two Corkis and died to that until the final fight when they managed to split Corki from Yorick and then crushed TSM. Second game, Regi only killed things because he got Ulted and could get his E-spam on. By being forced to kill Cass twice, it meant they couldn't dive Chaox since they needed to kill Regi twice. Once Azubu stopping being silly, they realised they could silence the Cass ghost with Sorara. That meant for the 6 seconds Regi was revivied, he spent 3 of them silenced. So then Azubu started cleaning up. But if it wasn't for the Yorick ghost, then as soon as Regi died, the burst would have shifted to Chaox and then they'd have no damage. Azubu plays with very mobile champions and mobile burst, so even if you had a tanky bruiser in the front they just dive the carry and blow them up anyway. Yorick really is the best thing they had, even though Dyrus played terribly. Press-R-to-win indeed. | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
game 1 map control more than made up for the small gold lead. You've all been there where you only have base towers, it sucks ass even when you aren't personally behind item wise. I dont deny that Azubu was in control of the game most of the time, but that was nothing near a stomp they werent that much in control that they just "rolled over tsm" there was quite a decent possibility of Azubu losing the game. And no im not a tsm fanboy I actually dont like them much ^,^ | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:17 HPoirot wrote: You can spin this the opposite way. Gold scores are close despite TSM's massive tower disadvantage. Take away the element of surprise and unfamiliarity that Blaze's style has, and who's doing the outclassing now? This is the first time TSM has played against a Korean team on even footing(connection wise). They're going up against a style of play they know very little about, especially compared to how much Blaze(and every other team) knows about TSM's playstyle. If this was CLG getting beat, given their experience with the Korean scene, then yes we could call outclassed. But right now this seems to be mostly just unfamiliarity and inexperience, not outclassing. This would be acceptable if TSM didn't consider Korean teams to be inferior and didn't consider playing in Korea to be a waste of time. They don't know a lot about the Korean scene because they chose to be ignorant about it. And game 1 Azubu had like a 10k gold advantage at one point and top/mid were a lot more fed than Yorick/TF. I dunno if 'out classed' is the right word but Azubu's team fight is way stronger than TSM's and their lane phase also looks a lot stronger than TSM. | ||
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Vathus
Canada404 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:18 era wrote: Where do you find their teamspeak? http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/live | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
This would be acceptable if TSM didn't consider Korean teams to be inferior and didn't consider playing in Korea to be a waste of time. Thats just TSM being TSM they also scream that xyz is op (remember Chaox whining how OP MF was after genja stomped him with that). Maybe they do it a bit for the show maybe they just behave like that no one besides them knows  | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
TSM Bans: Urgot, Alistar, Shen Azubu Picks: Graves // LULU Irelia // Shyvanana TF TSM Picks: Vladimir Meowkai // Sorara Corki // Gragas | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:23 Slusher wrote: I think this is going to be a lane swap, lulu/graves ultimate 5 min tower comp. Lulu is also going to be great for the counter-initiate if TSM try to dive Cpt.Jack. Also, if Shyvana gets a good ult onto TSM, Lulu ult on the dragon means TSM are uncleansable-CC-locked for about 4 seconds | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
LeBlonk nope one interesting fact: Gragas starts to getting banned in high elo (and/or picked quite often) europe because his burst just is crazy to deal with and he can pretty much oneshot everything with q e r + dfg | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:24 Ente wrote: nope one interesting fact: Gragas starts to getting banned in high elo (and/or picked quite often) europe because his burst just is crazy to deal with and he can pretty much oneshot everything with q e r + dfg Dw, I always change. ;o Gragas has always been a very European champion from the beginning. Nice to see NA teams remembering he exists. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On August 04 2012 12:22 Ente wrote: Thats just TSM being TSM they also scream that xyz is op (remember Chaox whining how OP MF was after genja stomped him with that). Maybe they do it a bit for the show maybe they just behave like that no one besides them knows The bigger point here is that TSM had plenty of opportunities to study Blaze. The only way Blaze's playstyle could be an unknown at this point is if TSM was too lazy. And if one team loses because they are lazier then they are worse period. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
I just find it amazing that three Koreans with no international LAN experience adapted to easily to the jetlag. | ||
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