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At any point of IEM Season 6 Championship, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Hannover but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament. Thanks. Neo, 06.03.2012 | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
On March 08 2012 07:29 iCanada wrote: Okay, you missed the point... All good jungles either time buffs or know the time they should spawn based on their opponent a route anyway. That, and its not like it is hard to execute, only reason not to is laziness. Its like not splitting your drones in SC.... Hardly a huge boon on some ones abilities. Edit: further more, now that chat log has game time, you just need to press enter + ob/tb/or/tr/d/b... No, I didn't miss the point because there was no point because you just made something up and tried to pass it off as true Most junglers at 1800, even 2k don't time buffs and communicate when they want mid to take them Or contest them, let alone at 1400 lol. Curse v TSM is a prime example of that - curse timed TSM's blue and waited til it was up to start dragon. It takes a ton of concentration to watch the minimal, babysit lanes, ward sweep, and time buffs against competent players, and frankly, most junglers just don't do at least half of those So I stand by what I said, you post 3 replays where a 1400 jungler times both his and his opponents buffs and I'll get you rp. Otherwise, stop downplaying something that is high level play as a basic maneuver. And the imentality that you can just 'feel out' when a buff is going to respaen is so silly - teams like m5 would just tear apart someone who tried that against them | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
TOO just hasnt adapted to the new jungle. He simply cant farm. Its basically the equivalent of trying to play mid while only csing every other wave, and only playing AP sona. You just cant do it. | ||
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:38 Two_DoWn wrote: That point aside- timing a buff does not a competent jungle make, nor does the ability to get your team to react to that timer. Those are both the roles of whoever is calling shots- not necessarily the jungle. TOO just hasnt adapted to the new jungle. He simply cant farm. Its basically the equivalent of trying to play mid while only csing every other wave, and only playing AP sona. You just cant do it. How did the jungle patch change the current meta? I know they made it easier but has it made any changes in regards to farming/ganking/etc.? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
I'll probably be rooting for CLG or Curse depending on who wins that quarterfinal game. Also, Dignitas because gotta rep that NA. Aaaand, I still think that TSM should just consider taking a short vacation. Could do them wonders to just relax and get away from LoL for a few days. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:38 Two_DoWn wrote: That point aside- timing a buff does not a competent jungle make, nor does the ability to get your team to react to that timer. Those are both the roles of whoever is calling shots- not necessarily the jungle. TOO just hasnt adapted to the new jungle. He simply cant farm. Its basically the equivalent of trying to play mid while only csing every other wave, and only playing AP sona. You just cant do it. But how does that make sense? I mean I know I've said this many times, but as a tank Shen he outfarmed both Cassiopeia and Irelia. TOO's farming should be the least of TSM's problems in that case, shouldn't it? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:41 Meteora.GB wrote: How did the jungle patch change the current meta? I know they made it easier but has it made any changes in regards to farming/ganking/etc.? The new jungle made farming a premium. It used to be you cleared your small camps and had a VERY long time where you could afford to go around ganking. Creeps were also worth more gold and exp, so you could just supportish items and still stay relevant because creeps were worth enough. Now? If you arent constantly farming you WILL be behind. And if you are camping lanes you arent farming. And if you are camping lanes AND buying support items you will be behind AND useless. Which is the point TOO is at now. On March 08 2012 10:44 Shikyo wrote: But how does that make sense? I mean I know I've said this many times, but as a tank Shen he outfarmed both Cassiopeia and Irelia. TOO's farming should be the least of TSM's problems in that case, shouldn't it? He had decent cs that game, but SV had more when he was playing shen yesterday. Plus you cant use those champs as examples because Regi and TRM both blew. Thats like saying you outfarmed your lanes in a 1300 elo game when each lane had 50 cs at 14 minutes so you are a tourney level farmer in the jungle. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:44 Shikyo wrote: But how does that make sense? I mean I know I've said this many times, but as a tank Shen he outfarmed both Cassiopeia and Irelia. TOO's farming should be the least of TSM's problems in that case, shouldn't it? This happens very rarely for TOO, most games TOO is just derping around in the jungle and falling behind in farm. Either camping regi's lane, trying to counter gank bot, or failing to show himself top (even once!). However, He plays a very good maokai, simply because that champion fits his playing style so well. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Quarterfinal brackets are up. Predictions? + Show Spoiler [My Predictions] + Quarterfinals: CLG > Crs 2-0 aAa > SK 2-1 Semifinals: CLG > M5 2-1 Dignitas > aAa 2-0 3rd: M5 > aAa 2-0 Finals: CLG > Dignitas 2-1 | ||
Flicky
England2662 Posts
This is actually ridiculously hard to call though. Every one of these games is up in the air. The easiest to call is CLG vs Curse which should be a CLG win. Aside from that, could be anything. I don't think Dignitas will take it, but honestly, they could. All of the teams have a really good shot at this. | ||
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Shanba
Scotland144 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:06 NeoIllusions wrote: http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/hanover/lol/playoffs/rankings/ Quarterfinal brackets are up. Predictions? I think SK takes down aaa and CLG beats crs. I honestly didnt see any dignitas games so... predicting that's kinda tough for me from then on. I really think CLG has the edge over M5 - its gonna be a really interesting game. CLG are amazing at turning a lead into a win, systematically taking down towers and map objectives until they stifle the opposition into a corner, while M5 are really good at seizing and creating opportunities. If M5 wins, I reckon it'll be because doublelift derps and gets picked off somewhere at a crucial point, whereas if CLG wins it'll be saint carrying off the back of strong farm. If the laning phase is even I think CLG will probably win at that point (assuming that M5 dont have some ridiculous lategame strategy), which is why I think they have the edge. Whoever wins that match I think will probably take down the finals too. | ||
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nehcnhoj
United States213 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:06 NeoIllusions wrote: http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season6/hanover/lol/playoffs/rankings/ Quarterfinal brackets are up. Predictions? + Show Spoiler [My Predictions] + Quarterfinals: CLG > Crs 2-0 aAa > SK 2-1 Semifinals: CLG > M5 2-1 Dignitas > aAa 2-0 3rd: M5 > aAa 2-0 Finals: CLG > Dignitas 2-1 What I think, CLG > Crs 2 - 1 aAa > SK 2 - 0 M5 > CLG 2- 0 aAa > Dignitas 2 - 1 M5 > aAa 2-1 What I want, CLG > Crs 2 - 1 aAa > SK 2 - 1 CLG > M5 2 - 1 aAa > Dignitas 2 - 1 CLG > aAa 2 - 1 (I want aAa in the finals because I think it'd be a bigger hype than CLG - Dig, just my opinion.) Oh, iCanada, taking timers was the least of my points. I'm not sure why you only took that away from what I meant. My main points were that TOO looks like he's way behind in the meta game partially because of his team. He can't farm because he has to give presence to top and mid when his lanes are losing. I agree'd with everything when you said about TOO being a mediocre jungler. However that is in comparison to the tip-top tier of competitive play where the teams have huge threats in all lanes (M5, aAa, CLG.eu) and also because he has no confidence and has no playmaking attributes. When you're in a team with a erratic mid and weak top you appear worse as a jungler. | ||
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nehcnhoj
United States213 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
I think a huge part of what makes M5 is that their pick/ban phase is always very well thought out, much more than possibly every other team. Yes, they do have the individual skill to play all those champs but they're never really screwed by picks and are always in a favorable position to play their comp really well. They have great knowledge of what syngergizes well with each other and can execute on the spot. Other teams do too, but M5 makes it look so seamless. | ||
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l3ird
United States368 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
No clue with aAa and SK. aAa beat bad teams but got crushed by good ones, SK beat bad teams and got crushed by the good one in their group. I guess I'll go SK and believe in Oce's ability to carry. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 08 2012 12:32 Shikyo wrote: I can see you guys are underestimating M5 again. Group B was another Kiev. M5 was the only good team in a group without a competent jungle. You aint gonna counter Saint. That being said, I actually think that the M5 vs CIJ semi (should it happen) will be, for all intents and purposes, the grand finals. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
aAa > SK 2-1. I think Infinitey Edge Renekton will throw them off hard in 1 game but in general aAa is stronger M5 > LI7 2-1, LI7.eu probably told LI7 what to do but M5 has some even more random stats this tournament.' Dignitas > aAa 2-1, Dignitas is looking unstoppable and I tihnk Linak will crack. If Linak cracks, the game is over for aAa. Because when he titls, he tilts massively (I'll changed this to 2-0 for Dignitas if aAa pick Alistar for nRated ugh) No idea about finals: but I want a 2-1 in favour of Dignitas. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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