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On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:39 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:37 Sandster wrote:On October 04 2011 14:34 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:29 tobi9999 wrote:On October 04 2011 14:27 overt wrote:
Like every fight this game is one or two people getting caught... WE has gragas, ww, AND TF. It's like the best team you can possibly make for catchin people. This. And with their creep clearing ability, they can literally stand at tower and wait for 3 hours until EHOME gets antsy or 1 person makes a mistake. Like, can you really say that CLG wouldn't make a mistake when they have to sit there and siege a turret and not get a single point of damage on the turret on each wave? You either get antsy and dive, or one of you makes a mistake. I don't care if you're CLG, one or the other is going to happen eventually. Do you really expect CLG to play a team with 0 siege potential (vayne being their highest ranged champion?) AND not have teleport? CLG if nothing else is known for split pushing and poke-style teams. Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN. If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something. Edit: On passive play: I dunno about you guys but a lot of the SCII I saw last at IEM was really passive . . .
Diving isn't necessarily sloppy. A flash+ult by Galio or Amumu or Alistar is a perfectly legitimate initiation even if it's a tower dive.
But the dive by Garen you referred to was definitely sloppy, yes.
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On October 04 2011 14:47 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote:On October 04 2011 14:39 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:37 Sandster wrote:On October 04 2011 14:34 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:29 tobi9999 wrote:On October 04 2011 14:27 overt wrote:
Like every fight this game is one or two people getting caught... WE has gragas, ww, AND TF. It's like the best team you can possibly make for catchin people. This. And with their creep clearing ability, they can literally stand at tower and wait for 3 hours until EHOME gets antsy or 1 person makes a mistake. Like, can you really say that CLG wouldn't make a mistake when they have to sit there and siege a turret and not get a single point of damage on the turret on each wave? You either get antsy and dive, or one of you makes a mistake. I don't care if you're CLG, one or the other is going to happen eventually. Do you really expect CLG to play a team with 0 siege potential (vayne being their highest ranged champion?) AND not have teleport? CLG if nothing else is known for split pushing and poke-style teams. Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN. If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something. Edit: On passive play: I dunno about you guys but a lot of the SCII I saw last at IEM was really passive . . . Diving isn't necessarily sloppy. A flash+ult by Galio or Amumu or Alistar is a perfectly legitimate initiation even if it's a tower dive. But the dive by Garen you referred to was definitely sloppy, yes.
Again, that's an issue of the team-comp they ended up with/their game-plan. Garen Flash-Q was the closest thing they had to a hard-engage.
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On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote:
Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN.
If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something.
worst than that is WE getting caught in the jungle so many times vs a sona+morgana+fiddle
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On October 04 2011 14:46 TheYango wrote:
I don't think diving is sloppy when, given the picks and the game-state, it's literally the only option you have. You can't split-push vs. TF + Gragas with TP, and you can't siege them because you don't have the range to hit the tower safely, and you can't trade farm/objectives until everyone's on 6 items because your 6-item lategame isn't definitively better. Your only option there is to dive and hope you can outplay them in the subsequent fight.
This.
There was litterally nothing they could have done last game, other than blow summoners and dive. If I failed wait for them and try again. Top Team kept getting baron whenever they could, mostly because they knew that if they got engaged on at Baron it was most likely and easy win for them. Simply because there was no tower to help.
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On October 04 2011 14:44 sprddeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:40 infinitestory wrote:On October 04 2011 14:40 sprddeath wrote:
btw, can any1 help me creatin an acc on lol cn? xD you have to make an account with QQ (it's a messaging program owned by Tencent, which also owns LoL). Then download the chinese client and just sign in with QQ. There will probably be a captcha or something. i tried to do it, but i cant make an acc cause i dont understand chinese >.<....think u could help mw creatin it? i'd pm u the info needed and u created it or something
should work like this (it's not that complicated):
go to www.qq.com
click the orange button in the upper right
click the green button that appears
fill in the four fields (QQ ID, QQ password, QQ weibo (like a twitter) name - this shouldn't matter, real name)
click "join now"
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On October 04 2011 14:48 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:47 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote:On October 04 2011 14:39 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:37 Sandster wrote:On October 04 2011 14:34 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:29 tobi9999 wrote:On October 04 2011 14:27 overt wrote:
Like every fight this game is one or two people getting caught... WE has gragas, ww, AND TF. It's like the best team you can possibly make for catchin people. This. And with their creep clearing ability, they can literally stand at tower and wait for 3 hours until EHOME gets antsy or 1 person makes a mistake. Like, can you really say that CLG wouldn't make a mistake when they have to sit there and siege a turret and not get a single point of damage on the turret on each wave? You either get antsy and dive, or one of you makes a mistake. I don't care if you're CLG, one or the other is going to happen eventually. Do you really expect CLG to play a team with 0 siege potential (vayne being their highest ranged champion?) AND not have teleport? CLG if nothing else is known for split pushing and poke-style teams. Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN. If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something. Edit: On passive play: I dunno about you guys but a lot of the SCII I saw last at IEM was really passive . . . Diving isn't necessarily sloppy. A flash+ult by Galio or Amumu or Alistar is a perfectly legitimate initiation even if it's a tower dive. But the dive by Garen you referred to was definitely sloppy, yes. Again, that's an issue of the team-comp they ended up with. Garen Flash-Q was the closest thing they had to a hard-engage.
Yea, they didn't really think out their team comp all that well it seems.
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Did we show the score screen for EHOME vs WE game 2?
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On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:39 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:37 Sandster wrote:On October 04 2011 14:34 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:29 tobi9999 wrote:On October 04 2011 14:27 overt wrote:
Like every fight this game is one or two people getting caught... WE has gragas, ww, AND TF. It's like the best team you can possibly make for catchin people. This. And with their creep clearing ability, they can literally stand at tower and wait for 3 hours until EHOME gets antsy or 1 person makes a mistake. Like, can you really say that CLG wouldn't make a mistake when they have to sit there and siege a turret and not get a single point of damage on the turret on each wave? You either get antsy and dive, or one of you makes a mistake. I don't care if you're CLG, one or the other is going to happen eventually. Do you really expect CLG to play a team with 0 siege potential (vayne being their highest ranged champion?) AND not have teleport? CLG if nothing else is known for split pushing and poke-style teams. Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN. If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something. Edit: On passive play: I dunno about you guys but a lot of the SCII I saw last at IEM was really passive . . .
A DEMACIAN DOES NOT RETREAT!
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On October 04 2011 14:50 DanielZKlein wrote:
Did we show the score screen for EHOME vs WE game 2?
No.
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On October 04 2011 14:49 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:48 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:47 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote:On October 04 2011 14:39 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:37 Sandster wrote:On October 04 2011 14:34 TheYango wrote:On October 04 2011 14:29 tobi9999 wrote:On October 04 2011 14:27 overt wrote:
Like every fight this game is one or two people getting caught... WE has gragas, ww, AND TF. It's like the best team you can possibly make for catchin people. This. And with their creep clearing ability, they can literally stand at tower and wait for 3 hours until EHOME gets antsy or 1 person makes a mistake. Like, can you really say that CLG wouldn't make a mistake when they have to sit there and siege a turret and not get a single point of damage on the turret on each wave? You either get antsy and dive, or one of you makes a mistake. I don't care if you're CLG, one or the other is going to happen eventually. Do you really expect CLG to play a team with 0 siege potential (vayne being their highest ranged champion?) AND not have teleport? CLG if nothing else is known for split pushing and poke-style teams. Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN. If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something. Edit: On passive play: I dunno about you guys but a lot of the SCII I saw last at IEM was really passive . . . Diving isn't necessarily sloppy. A flash+ult by Galio or Amumu or Alistar is a perfectly legitimate initiation even if it's a tower dive. But the dive by Garen you referred to was definitely sloppy, yes. Again, that's an issue of the team-comp they ended up with. Garen Flash-Q was the closest thing they had to a hard-engage. Yea, they didn't really think out their team comp all that well it seems.
Well, grag and TF were the last 2 picks. Vayne was ehome's last pick - which I thought should have been a Kog or something. That's the only questionable pick. I doubt they've played that grag/tf defense much.
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On October 04 2011 14:50 DanielZKlein wrote:
Did we show the score screen for EHOME vs WE game 2?
In all honesty. Don't really care - just as long as you guys manage to get the games started quicker.
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On October 04 2011 14:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote:
Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN.
If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something.
I don't think diving is sloppy when, given the picks and the game-state, it's literally the only option you have. You can't split-push vs. TF + Gragas with TP, and you can't siege them because you don't have the range to hit the tower safely, and you can't trade farm/objectives until everyone's on 6 items because your 6-item lategame isn't definitively better. Your only option there is to dive and hope you can outplay them in the subsequent fight. Again, I think it's an issue of them having questionable picks/not playing their overall game-plan out effectively, but that's not an issue of sloppy play in the local scenario at hand. Also, I would argue that Garen Flash->Q is the much safer initiate than Sona Flash->ulti. If Sona Flash->Ults, and Gragas has good enough reaction time, he ults her, and she insta-dies before the fight can even start. If that happens to Garen, he still lives for a fucking long time before they can kill him.
Then Morg+ZGlass? I dunno, Garen initiation is just... so bad.
Then again, maybe if they had picked Ashe this wouldn't have been a problem. 
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Just realized the Chinese teams dont pick/ban Lee Sin at all. how odd.
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On October 04 2011 14:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
Just realized the Chinese teams dont pick/ban Lee Sin at all. how odd.
I have a feeling no one can play him. If you noticed, I think WE has been playing WW each game. WW is laughed at as a jungle by people like Saint.
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On October 04 2011 14:52 toastymow wrote:Then Morg+ZGlass? I dunno, Garen initiation is just... so bad. Then again, maybe if they had picked Ashe this wouldn't have been a problem.
Ashe would have allowed a hard-engage, Caitlyn/Kog'maw/Tristana would have had superior siege power.
On October 04 2011 14:53 toastymow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
Just realized the Chinese teams dont pick/ban Lee Sin at all. how odd. I have a feeling no one can play him. If you noticed, I think WE has been playing WW each game. WW is laughed at as a jungle by people like Saint.
Not sure Saint's the appropriate person to mention, and I don't think "laughed at" is the right wording.
Warwick is one of Saint's favorite solo queue junglers of choice.
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On October 04 2011 14:53 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 14:52 toastymow wrote:Then Morg+ZGlass? I dunno, Garen initiation is just... so bad. Then again, maybe if they had picked Ashe this wouldn't have been a problem. Ashe would have allowed a hard-engage, Caitlyn/Kog'maw/Tristana would have had superior siege power.
So prety much: vayne was a bad pick.
Yeah, Caitlyn would have been perfect.
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Diving is ok. The Garen dive that got them almost aced was really dumb. Fiddle getting killed while trying to kill ward near enemy tower was dumb. WE dicking around Baron and not going in but not going out either was dumb.
Both teams are definitely good. Not gonna try and say if they're better or worse than NA/EU teams. Both teams just did a lot of dumb stuff that last game.
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ZzZz im totally gonna fall asleep before SK CLG starts, o well i hope i catch the reruns at evening
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I recognized that smartphone app...I think they are testing input lag on the monitors or something.
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Caffeine in the morning solves all problems.
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