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1oo
Portugal876 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:37 Azarkon wrote: Someone else above said it: the reason the Chinese LoL teams are so aggressive is because they don't really understand the game, yet. . i sure hope it doesnt change.. | ||
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Tormy
Canada66 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:35 overt wrote: I wish they could get a commentator who knows the game really well and have someone like Joe co-cast. Joe is really interesting and Zenon isn't bad either. But since LoL doesn't have the legacy that a game like SC has we don't have ex-pros who can commentate for us.  Yeah, would be great to get one of the pros who are out of the tournament already to co-cast, but honestly zenon's constant misinformation annoys me. On October 04 2011 14:35 JoeM wrote: Awesome games so far! IF you guys have feedback, its always welcomed of course  I don't know how to make this not sound rude after having already stated I don't like zenon's casting but could you guys please keep an eye on the minimap we miss so much stuff while you're explaining something. | ||
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toastymow
United States254 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:37 Azarkon wrote: Someone else above said it: the reason the Chinese LoL teams are so aggressive is because they don't really understand the game, yet. The top Chinese Dota teams would never play like this (except when they have to, such as vs. an ultra-late game farming team) because they are confident in their late-game management. These LoL teams are pretty obviously not confident in their late-game management and are making a lot of errors due to it. It's a sign of inexperience, but they'll grow out of it. It'd also help from some guidance from top Chinese Dota captains, but as far as I know none of the top Chinese Dota players have switched to LoL. This The problem was they had no poke. But CLG will never have this problem because Chauster is a god at Ashe/Urgot/Ezreal. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:37 Sandster wrote: Do you really expect CLG to play a team with 0 siege potential (vayne being their highest ranged champion?) AND not have teleport? CLG if nothing else is known for split pushing and poke-style teams. Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:38 Tormy wrote: These are great games but the breaks in between make it very difficult to stay tuned. Its already been over 3 1/2 hours to watch 2 games. Yeah, I don't know if the casters can do much. Maybe suggest to tourney organizers to help streamline this a bit more for future events. We really shouldn't have to wait more than ten minutes in-between games for bathroom/water breaks and pick/ban. edit: I don't think the Chinese teams are bad btw. That last game was just full of mistakes from WE and eHome. Then it turned into a boring snooze fest. Joe and Zenon did a good job of trying to keep it interesting though. | ||
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sprddeath
Portugal50 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:40 sprddeath wrote: btw, can any1 help me creatin an acc on lol cn? xD you have to make an account with QQ (it's a messaging program owned by Tencent, which also owns LoL). Then download the chinese client and just sign in with QQ. There will probably be a captcha or something. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:40 infinitestory wrote: I really hope the Chinese teams don't lose this aggression. It really means a lot when the score isn't 3-1 at 30 minutes. Yea definitely :\ I still think Riot should take a leaf out of DotA's book and implement ward timers in shop, smoke, or just smth to reduce passivity. I think the Chinese teams picks are a bit unrefined but that's probably just inexperience and being a little behind on meta. Their in game play is really really technically sharp. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:39 TheYango wrote: Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. I was saying CLG will never be in this situation because they will never have that type of team comp. Ehome clearly plays that type of team, but aren't able to push their advantage. It's not playing sloppy, it's just a lack of experience together as a team. Very crisp early execution, but not as good later on, whereas CLG if anything tends to be the opposite. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:37 Azarkon wrote: Someone else above said it: the reason the Chinese LoL teams are so aggressive is because they don't really understand the game, yet. The top Chinese Dota teams would never play like this (except when they have to, such as vs. an ultra-late game farming team) because they are confident in their late-game management. These LoL teams are pretty obviously not confident in their late-game management and are making a lot of errors due to it. It's a sign of inexperience, but they'll grow out of it. It'd also help from some guidance from top Chinese Dota captains, but as far as I know none of the top Chinese Dota players have switched to LoL. I don't see how you can make such a silly inference, they're 'not confident'? what the fuck? the game simply does not support a fight occuring without a mistake given those team comps, I don't see an issue with bullshit sports psychology behind anything in that game. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:40 infinitestory wrote: I really hope the Chinese teams don't lose this aggression. It really means a lot when the score isn't 3-1 at 30 minutes. Then you better hope this is the "right" way to play LoL, as opposed to the way NA/EU teams play. Because sooner or later, the "right" way to play will take over the "fun" way to play. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:41 Sandster wrote: I was saying CLG will never be in this situation because they will never have that type of team comp. Ehome clearly plays that type of team, but aren't able to push their advantage. It's not playing sloppy, it's just a lack of experience together as a team. Very crisp early execution, but not as good later on, whereas CLG if anything tends to be the opposite. And I agree with you. But I was responding to people saying EHOME's play was sloppy, when I don't think that's the issue at hand. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:42 Azarkon wrote: Then you better hope this is the "right" way to play LoL, as opposed to the way NA/EU teams play. Because sooner or later, the "right" way to play will take over the "fun" way to play. are you forgetting this was a fifty minute game where almost 30 minutes were spent sitting outside a turret, and where one team was up multiple barons and still couldn't push in a 2nd tower? it was passive as fuck | ||
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pirates
United States701 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:40 infinitestory wrote: I really hope the Chinese teams don't lose this aggression. It really means a lot when the score isn't 3-1 at 30 minutes. the super aggressive playstyle reminds me of the chinse playstyle in DotA. their teamwork and decision making is strong so as soon as they get an advantage they know how to capitalize on it. the earlier they can get those advantages they can start utilizing their strengths. the chinese teams are very powerful and respectable. | ||
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toastymow
United States254 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:39 TheYango wrote: Except the context has to do with EHOME's play being sloppy. You can criticize their picks (and I do agree with you that their picks were not that great), but as far as how they played it, I don't think you can realistically say they were overly sloppy compared to other teams in their situation. Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN. If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something. Edit: On passive play: I dunno about you guys but a lot of the SCII I saw last at IEM was really passive . . . | ||
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DrBoo
Canada1177 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:39 overt wrote: Yeah, I don't know if the casters can do much. Maybe suggest to tourney organizers to help streamline this a bit more for future events. We really shouldn't have to wait more than ten minutes in-between games for bathroom/water breaks and pick/ban. Yes a thousand times yes. I'm sure we all understand that running tournaments is difficult. If you want people to continue watching. (nearly midnight here. I'm sure its rough for other people too) Its just hard to continue watching without thinking about going to sleep, or do something else. | ||
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sprddeath
Portugal50 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:40 infinitestory wrote: you have to make an account with QQ (it's a messaging program owned by Tencent, which also owns LoL). Then download the chinese client and just sign in with QQ. There will probably be a captcha or something. i tried to do it, but i cant make an acc cause i dont understand chinese >.<....think u could help mw creatin it? i'd pm u the info needed and u created it or something | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:43 toastymow wrote: Diving is sloppy. I don't care why you dive, its sloppy. You should realize that fighting under a tower is bad. The worst was when Garen flashed in, got punted, and then WENT BACK IN. If you want to dive that badly, have Sona flash+ult or something. I don't think diving is sloppy when, given the picks and the game-state, it's literally the only option you have. You can't split-push vs. TF + Gragas with TP, and you can't siege them because you don't have the range to hit the tower safely, and you can't trade farm/objectives until everyone's on 6 items because your 6-item lategame isn't definitively better. Your only option there is to dive and hope you can outplay them in the subsequent fight. Again, I think it's an issue of them having questionable picks/not playing their overall game-plan out effectively, but that's not an issue of sloppy play in the local scenario at hand. Also, I would argue that Garen Flash->Q is the much safer initiate than Sona Flash->ulti. If Sona Flash->Ults, and Gragas has good enough reaction time, he ults her, and she insta-dies before the fight can even start. If that happens to Garen, he still lives for a fucking long time before they can kill him, allowing his team to catch up and engage if they actually try to focus him down. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On October 04 2011 14:41 UniversalSnip wrote: I don't see how you can make such a silly inference, they're 'not confident'? what the fuck? the game simply does not support a fight occuring without a mistake given those team comps, I don't see an issue with bullshit sports psychology behind anything in that game. Perhaps "confidence" isn't the right way to put it. Rather, they're not experienced enough to realize when to engage and when to pull back - which becomes especially important in the late-game of MOBAs, since one mistake can cost you the game. The reason a lot of Chinese Dota games (different game, I know, but related) come down to farm fests is because the two teams are so experienced in how and when to engage that they can never catch the other with their pants down. So the only way to really play is to out-farm your opponent, since the other team will never give you the initiative you need to properly engage. | ||
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