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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
I am going to clear up a few issues here.
On August 28 2011 06:11 ketchup wrote:
Honestly, issues like these is why Riot needs some sort of PTR. Even if all they do is find bugs, or try to abuse the system, it's STILL better than delivering this type of product.
PTR is only for patch testing. Riot does test eveything internally. But for things like MLG they have to port over their own servers and everything, install a whole load of code, set loads of equipment up, etc. If you've every tried any logistical task of this size, things go wrong so very easily. Riot Engineering is actually pretty small. They need people in Los Angeles HQ, Dublin HQ, PAX, MLG and at other server farms. That means right now they're stretched really thin. So if something does go wrong, it goes wrong badly.
On August 28 2011 06:12 Senx wrote:
Actually the biggest misstake Riot has ever done was to create their game on the AIR platform, its not made for large scale network games and its been holding them back since the dawn of time.
On August 28 2011 06:15 alkow wrote:
yeah, abode air is HORRIBLE.
hon has the s2 engine and dota2 has the source engine.
When Riot started, there were about 30 people I think. They had no idea how successful they would be. So they used Adobe AIR since it was simple and quick to use. Also meant they didn't have to put up a lot of money for proprietary code. But it also meant they had a platform that scales very badly. They are in the process now of slowly moving to new code instead. The move to RADs was one of the first steps. It's still on-going. But a complete replacement of the Adobe framework would be a nightmare. It would literally mean rewriting the entire client. (It is being worked on... but painfully slow).
On August 28 2011 06:02 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:57 Treachy wrote:
Haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if this has been addressed.... but how does Riot expect anyone to care whatsoever if every tournament their game is in is put on so poorly? With the upcoming release of Dota 2 and the announcements of incredibly large prize pools, why would the community continue to support a product from a company that clearly cares more about releasing new worthless champions and skins every week than completing their product? If I went to a department store and the guy behind the counter told me to go F**K myself, I would most definitely not return and give that place my business. This is the type of message riot is sending when they allow this sort of crap to continue. They is lucky that there are no good competitors right now, otherwise I (and hopefully many of you) would do the same. How about you stop being so dramatic? DreamHack and GamesCon were fine in their own right. MLG is failing due to software problems. Riot needs to make money and it's a completely different department that does champion balances vs skins vs tournament client. Just because the Engineers are failing, why are you shitting on their Champion Design and Art departments? Because they can't get Spec Mode done right, Riot should cease all progress in new champions and skins? Give me a break. Riot has done nothing of the level of telling their community to go fuck themselves. If anything, all we know for certain now is that Riot's Engineers and Coders are subpar/overworked/inadequate.
Pretty much this. They're really overworked atm. They only recently set up NoC C4. Until 3 months ago, there was only 1 dedicated engineer for patches. A year ago there was no dedicated engineer for patches. Go to the Riot Jobs Page. Look at those jobs. That's a crazy ton of jobs, especially given the economy right now. They really, really need people.
If you guys know anyone looking for a tech job and who would be interested working in the video games industry, recommend them to Riot. If they want to apply as well, give me a shout as well.
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United States37500 Posts
I want to work for Riot.
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Three more years and I've got you. Maybe I can do some part time stuff before then ^_^
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On August 28 2011 06:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
I want to work for Riot.
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I didn't see forum mod on their list of jobs. I think you are out of luck.
Edit- just noticed I past 1k posts. Wonder what I wasted that post on. Probably something worthless. Oh well.
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can anyone else not see the stream? just an mlg logo?
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On August 28 2011 06:41 Plutonik wrote:
can anyone else not see the stream? just an mlg logo?
Its in between games but I am seeing crowd shots (from different cameras) on both streams right now. Do you have an ad-blocker on? I believe I remember issues with mlg streams and adblockers in the past.
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On August 28 2011 06:41 Plutonik wrote:
can anyone else not see the stream? just an mlg logo?
The stream was canceled due to technical problems with the client.
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On August 28 2011 06:40 BloodNinja wrote:I didn't see forum mod on their list of jobs. I think you are out of luck. Edit- just noticed I past 1k posts. Wonder what I wasted that post on. Probably something worthless. Oh well.
I did the same with intentions of being forever 999 so I could keep hydra o.o
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United States37500 Posts
Regi with a definitive carry. TSM up 1-0 on Crs.
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On August 28 2011 06:32 MoonBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I am going to clear up a few issues here. On August 28 2011 06:11 ketchup wrote:
Honestly, issues like these is why Riot needs some sort of PTR. Even if all they do is find bugs, or try to abuse the system, it's STILL better than delivering this type of product. PTR is only for patch testing. Riot does test eveything internally. But for things like MLG they have to port over their own servers and everything, install a whole load of code, set loads of equipment up, etc. If you've every tried any logistical task of this size, things go wrong so very easily. Riot Engineering is actually pretty small. They need people in Los Angeles HQ, Dublin HQ, PAX, MLG and at other server farms. That means right now they're stretched really thin. So if something does go wrong, it goes wrong badly. On August 28 2011 06:12 Senx wrote:
Actually the biggest misstake Riot has ever done was to create their game on the AIR platform, its not made for large scale network games and its been holding them back since the dawn of time. On August 28 2011 06:15 alkow wrote:
yeah, abode air is HORRIBLE.
hon has the s2 engine and dota2 has the source engine.
When Riot started, there were about 30 people I think. They had no idea how successful they would be. So they used Adobe AIR since it was simple and quick to use. Also meant they didn't have to put up a lot of money for proprietary code. But it also meant they had a platform that scales very badly. They are in the process now of slowly moving to new code instead. The move to RADs was one of the first steps. It's still on-going. But a complete replacement of the Adobe framework would be a nightmare. It would literally mean rewriting the entire client. (It is being worked on... but painfully slow). On August 28 2011 06:02 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:57 Treachy wrote:
Haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if this has been addressed.... but how does Riot expect anyone to care whatsoever if every tournament their game is in is put on so poorly? With the upcoming release of Dota 2 and the announcements of incredibly large prize pools, why would the community continue to support a product from a company that clearly cares more about releasing new worthless champions and skins every week than completing their product? If I went to a department store and the guy behind the counter told me to go F**K myself, I would most definitely not return and give that place my business. This is the type of message riot is sending when they allow this sort of crap to continue. They is lucky that there are no good competitors right now, otherwise I (and hopefully many of you) would do the same. How about you stop being so dramatic? DreamHack and GamesCon were fine in their own right. MLG is failing due to software problems. Riot needs to make money and it's a completely different department that does champion balances vs skins vs tournament client. Just because the Engineers are failing, why are you shitting on their Champion Design and Art departments? Because they can't get Spec Mode done right, Riot should cease all progress in new champions and skins? Give me a break. Riot has done nothing of the level of telling their community to go fuck themselves. If anything, all we know for certain now is that Riot's Engineers and Coders are subpar/overworked/inadequate. Pretty much this. They're really overworked atm. They only recently set up NoC C4. Until 3 months ago, there was only 1 dedicated engineer for patches. A year ago there was no dedicated engineer for patches. Go to the Riot Jobs Page. Look at those jobs. That's a crazy ton of jobs, especially given the economy right now. They really, really need people. If you guys know anyone looking for a tech job and who would be interested working in the video games industry, recommend them to Riot. If they want to apply as well, give me a shout as well.
Just wanted to take a look out of curiosity and, holy shit, you can really scroll down for a while. Maybe Riot should actively advertise their job openings? I've been around LoL for a few months and this is the first time I'm seeing somebody talk about this.
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They do advertise them quite alot actually. Check the dev traker on the League forums from time to time. There's usually a post a day about some job opening.
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On August 28 2011 06:44 d(O.o)a wrote:
I did the same with intentions of being forever 999 so I could keep hydra o.o
I never want to talk about the icon out of fear about flying monkeys.
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On August 28 2011 06:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:41 Plutonik wrote:
can anyone else not see the stream? just an mlg logo? The stream was canceled due to technical problems with the client.
Will it be down for the rest of the tournament or do you think they might try to stream the finals?
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On August 28 2011 06:32 MoonBear wrote:I am going to clear up a few issues here. Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:11 ketchup wrote:
Honestly, issues like these is why Riot needs some sort of PTR. Even if all they do is find bugs, or try to abuse the system, it's STILL better than delivering this type of product. PTR is only for patch testing. Riot does test eveything internally. But for things like MLG they have to port over their own servers and everything, install a whole load of code, set loads of equipment up, etc. If you've every tried any logistical task of this size, things go wrong so very easily. Riot Engineering is actually pretty small. They need people in Los Angeles HQ, Dublin HQ, PAX, MLG and at other server farms. That means right now they're stretched really thin. So if something does go wrong, it goes wrong badly.
I do not see what this clears up. PTR can be used for anything. Stress testing using PTR is actually a really good idea. I mean, there were a lot of bugs found during the old PTR(with champions and what not).
I'm not saying it's an easy job for Riot to be doing what they are doing. It's just highly embarrassing as a fan of the game(not to mention disappointing to not watch these games), and as a supporter for Riot to show this type of result.
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Damn, I feel like I've wasted my hot pockets free silver pass trick now. Worst part is, no-one interesting is streaming ATM either to give me my LoL fix. Gmanbob it is, then, the methadone to the heroin of decent streamers.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 28 2011 06:48 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
Just wanted to take a look out of curiosity and, holy shit, you can really scroll down for a while. Maybe Riot should actively advertise their job openings? I've been around LoL for a few months and this is the first time I'm seeing somebody talk about this.
They do. It's just that finding the right kind of people is difficult. Well, there's a huge banner on the main LoL page and around the place. But for a game website, the focus should generally be on the game.
On August 28 2011 06:50 Cixah wrote:
They do advertise them quite alot actually. Check the dev traker on the League forums from time to time. There's usually a post a day about some job opening.
Advertisements on the Forums are generally for more Senior Positions, like Head of Design. They've been going around various websites like Reddit to advertise actually.
Maybe we could try TL, idk.
On August 28 2011 06:53 ketchup wrote:
I do not see what this clears up. PTR can be used for anything. Stress testing using PTR is actually a really good idea. I mean, there were a lot of bugs found during the old PTR(with champions and what not).
I'm not saying it's an easy job for Riot to be doing what they are doing. It's just highly embarrassing as a fan of the game(not to mention disappointing to not watch these games), and as a supporter for Riot to show this type of result.
A live PTR everyone could access would do two things.
1) Reveal secrets Riot does not want to show, like Dominion.
2) Create additional stress on the Live Servers when they really can't afford to do so. Just look at how WoW PTR servers go down a lot. Also, note that LoL has (I think) now surpassed WoW in terms of player base.
3) Only stretch Riot Tech even further since they would have to maintain internal and larger Live Servers.
The real problem I believe is how stretched Riot Tech is right now. They do an awful lot for such a small department. If Riot had double the engineers, I think this would be a feasible idea.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 28 2011 06:55 Iskusstvo wrote:
Damn, I feel like I've wasted my hot pockets free silver pass trick now. Worst part is, no-one interesting is streaming ATM either to give me my LoL fix. Gmanbob it is, then, the methadone to the heroin of decent streamers.
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/InTriX
He's on the TL EU Team and really nice.
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Adobe AIR isn't horrible...did they make whole game via AIR or just launcher, connection etc...? Cause it shouldn't be overused...
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On August 28 2011 07:03 LionKiNG wrote:
Adobe AIR isn't horrible...did they make whole game via AIR or just launcher, connection etc...? Cause it shouldn't be overused...
No, it is horrible.
Only the launcher/client. The actual game is not written in Adobe AIR.
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Can you add the twitter link with the results to the op please :o
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