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entropius
United States1046 Posts
On August 25 2013 13:07 Gahlo wrote: Seriously. Amumu banned? Guess I'll just have to play a better version... That's sort of my attitude, too. People who ban Amumu because he offers ridiculous late-game cc are banning the wrong champ. Mumu offers better damage and a bit better tankiness, but as far as cc and initiation power, the pig is way better. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 25 2013 22:38 entropius wrote: That's sort of my attitude, too. People who ban Amumu because he offers ridiculous late-game cc are banning the wrong champ. Mumu offers better damage and a bit better tankiness, but as far as cc and initiation power, the pig is way better. Better damage is debatable. While I haven't ran the #s for rework, pre-rework sejuani brought similar damage. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
If we consider a level 9 Sejuani with 1290 base health (new) or 1200 (old) and 1000 bonus health (she'll have spirit of ancient golem, belt or sunfire, plus more from masteries), she'll do: Pulling the history from lolwiki, a full channel old W on a frosted target did 330 + 75% AP + 15% of Sejuani's total health. That's 330 more damage from her health, or 660 damage. The new one does 360 + 90% AP + 10% of Sejuani's *bonus* health. That's 460 damage. (But this is pedantry: none of this changes the conclusion that she's sufficiently scary to get far more picks/bans than she does) | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
-Downloaded League a couple of weeks ago and bought this hero due to crazy AoE CC ult -Currently level 20ish and messing around in summoner's rift solo queue unranked -She's relegated to jungle (where I am practicing and trying to get faster) and am having some trouble getting off ganks pre-6. I think my timing is decent; usually I'm equal level to top lane and 1 higher than bottom lane when I try to do my initial gank How do you gank pre-6 with her? I only seem to get kills when the enemy is terrible. Do I have to tell the laners to bait/engage and then I walk in? Sometimes I'm tempted to initiate with my Q but then that leaves me without a gap closer or an escape. Or should I just not bother most of the time? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:30 scrubtastic wrote: Noob questions: -Downloaded League a couple of weeks ago and bought this hero due to crazy AoE CC ult -Currently level 20ish and messing around in summoner's rift solo queue unranked -She's relegated to jungle (where I am practicing and trying to get faster) and am having some trouble getting off ganks pre-6. I think my timing is decent; usually I'm equal level to top lane and 1 higher than bottom lane when I try to do my initial gank How do you gank pre-6 with her? I only seem to get kills when the enemy is terrible. Do I have to tell the laners to bait/engage and then I walk in? Sometimes I'm tempted to initiate with my Q but then that leaves me without a gap closer or an escape. Or should I just not bother most of the time? You want to initiate with Q unless your laner has a hard CC. If you aim it right, then they flash and you walk away. Why would you need a gap closer/escape if you're trying to gank unless there are 2 people there? You point your gap closer to hit the guy, go, and if it hits, mash buttons, if they flash/juke, then just walk away, maybe smiting the cannon creep. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 29 2013 20:26 Amui wrote: You want to initiate with Q unless your laner has a hard CC. If you aim it right, then they flash and you walk away. Why would you need a gap closer/escape if you're trying to gank unless there are 2 people there? You point your gap closer to hit the guy, go, and if it hits, mash buttons, if they flash/juke, then just walk away, maybe smiting the cannon creep. No, when you're ganking, blowing your CC right away is the wrong way around unless it's a guaranteed kill. You want to run at them, forcing them to use their escape, and Q them after. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:15 Gahlo wrote: No, when you're ganking, blowing your CC right away is the wrong way around unless it's a guaranteed kill. You want to run at them, forcing them to use their escape, and Q them after. Sometimes you're in a position where they can use flash to survive your gank no matter what you do. This usually happens in top lane, where you're coming in at more of a shallow angle. In this case it's better to Q at them before they get to tower, even though they can flash it. They might not flash, in which case you put damage on them (and, in the best case, have to flash in the end anyway). They might flash, in which case you just come back and murder them later -- you definitely want to get their flash if you can. Even if you can't kill them if the Q connects, even if they can juke it, give them the opportunity to blow flash. At lower leagues, people aren't quite sure how much damage Sejuani can do or how her kit works, so sometimes people will flash away from a Q that they don't need to. | ||
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 09 2013 13:44 GTPGlitch wrote: Just out of curiousity, why don't people run sejuani toplane ala malphite? Well I don't think Sejuani's a good duelist. Malphite at least has a niche that he's good against harass due to his shield maybe. I think Sej's Q is just as good as Malph's E in terms of cc duration. I'm not sure about damage. If you knock someone up for 1.5 seconds, it's the same thing or better than slowing their attack speed 50% for 3 seconds. I don't know how long Sej's knockup is but most are around 1.5 seconds I think. Malphite isn't played much top either and when he is, he often loses lanes imo to stronger duelists. Also Q harass is good in top lane. I think you should try it out. | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On September 09 2013 14:05 obesechicken13 wrote: Well I don't think Sejuani's a good duelist. Malphite at least has a niche that he's good against harass due to his shield maybe. I think Sej's Q is just as good as Malph's E in terms of cc duration. I'm not sure about damage. If you knock someone up for 1.5 seconds, it's the same thing or better than slowing their attack speed 50% for 3 seconds. I don't know how long Sej's knockup is but most are around 1.5 seconds I think. Malphite isn't played much top either and when he is, he often loses lanes imo to stronger duelists. Also Q harass is good in top lane. I think you should try it out. I doubt Sej's Q knocks up for more than 0.5 sec, but the wiki doesn't say (it doesn't feel longer than zac's E which is 0.5 sec). Unless I missed a spell, no non ult spells knocks up for more than 1 sec and no spell knocks up for more than 1.5 sec. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
Sej is an awesome jungler, but I think she'll just be bullied badly top. | ||
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Sigyn
Spain2 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Primary marks.
Feels like you get as much from one mastery (bladed armor) than you do from like 5 marks in terms of early clear speed and the only runes that are decent for giving you burst for ganks or snipes late game are mpen runes which are worthless early game. I'm seriously considering just getting 8 extra armor with my marks.
Compare this stuff to someone like Jungle Jarvan: AD good for early clears good scaling into late game helps with ganks WW AS good for early clears good scaling into late game helps with ganks (once he gets a wits end) | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
I personally still like going AP quints + magic pen marks on her, so you actually have damage in your early ganks. It's also great if you end up building a liandrys lategame. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On October 22 2013 18:56 Fildun wrote: Do you run movespeed quints with that? I personally still like going AP quints + magic pen marks on her, so you actually have damage in your early ganks. It's also great if you end up building a liandrys lategame. I actually need to investigate Quints too. I think movement speed makes sense but Sej's sustain in the jungle is shit with magic pen so I get lifesteal quints. At least with quints, if the offensive quints suck you can pick defensive ones or miscellaneous quints and you don't lose any efficiency. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On October 23 2013 02:31 obesechicken13 wrote: I actually need to investigate Quints too. I think movement speed makes sense but Sej's sustain in the jungle is shit with magic pen so I get lifesteal quints. At least with quints, if the offensive quints suck you can pick defensive ones or miscellaneous quints and you don't lose any efficiency. Hmmm, I never find her sustain to be that bad after the first clear, and you have enough potions for that first clear. So that's why I usually run AP or movespeed quints on her. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On October 23 2013 02:41 Fildun wrote: Hmmm, I never find her sustain to be that bad after the first clear, and you have enough potions for that first clear. So that's why I usually run AP or movespeed quints on her. Yeah. I usually end up buying 5+ health pots after the first clear though. Like she'll still need 1 pot for every red/blue to stay within 100 health of topped off. Then if you gank someone and take some damage from that and want to gank again / react to counterganks without going back you need more pots. What a lot of the pros do when they jungle in solo queue though, it they gank very infrequently and back more. They'll clear their entire jungle as Sej or some champion similar to Sej(Amumu, Naut), then they'll gank once, and go back. At my level I feel like there are many more opportunities to snowball games so I am more aggressive on Sej. | ||
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NeoGeoOdin
Colombia140 Posts
and/or moveS on her she has a Q, wich its a flash every 15sc, and his E just slow enmies enought to make that extra moveS useless But again, i donot get it, why? Also, really its good making her HP/AP? her APratios are quite and her W scales on her maxHP so.... i just prefer making her HP/Ar/MR whit toons of HP, just like 5000 feel so indestructible yeah! | ||
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