EPTI think trying to work in some CDR blues would be nice honestly, I've been having trouble finding CDR in my build. Usually doing cinderhulk -> boot -> RG -> randuin + banshee -> thornmail/ abyssal.
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I think trying to work in some CDR blues would be nice honestly, I've been having trouble finding CDR in my build. Usually doing cinderhulk -> boot -> RG -> randuin + banshee -> thornmail/ abyssal. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
 I think there was an argument about how locket wasn't that great of a buy either... I guess it'd be okay in situations where you don't have a top or support with it, but it's a lot of gold for less stats for yourself. The feeling of R then 1 RG 2 Randuin 3 Locket is pretty fun though. Triple actives ftw. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
I also don't really see the appeal of FH myself, except vs full AD teams. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35161 Posts
On May 05 2015 00:32 ticklishmusic wrote: I just feel like taking FH over Randuin's is very suboptimal when you are a cinderhulk jungler, feels very hard to justify. If I take RG already, I don't need Glacial->FH for mana, so taking FH ends up being almost solely for CDR. I think there was an argument about how locket wasn't that great of a buy either... I guess it'd be okay in situations where you don't have a top or support with it, but it's a lot of gold for less stats for yourself. The feeling of R then 1 RG 2 Randuin 3 Locket is pretty fun though. Triple actives ftw. The discussion about Locket being meh was about a year and a half ago. A lot has changed since then. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35161 Posts
On May 05 2015 04:32 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm still not the biggest fan of locket on Sejuani... it has some utility for your team, but I feel like having Banshee's is overall better for teamfighting since it prevents the enemy from CC'ing you and getting into their faces. Plus it gives a little more hp/ MR. The holder is only down 50HP and 15MR. Even if we take out the scaling per level, the base shield from locket along makes up for the HP loss. Even if we ignore the health regen on the aura, since it isn't a "combat stat", each aura'd ally gains 400g worth of MR and 134-614g of "health" from the shield upon activation. Surely that is more valuable in a team fighting scenario than a more selfish item to try and block cc, which will most likely be aimed elsewhere, that can be negated easily by random poke. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Tank junglers love cost efficiency. As to RG + Randuin/FH, if you are getting RG your armor item should probably be thornmail. I prefer FH on Sej, so I don't get RG at all. Its an awesome item, but I don't think sej needs help engaging. I'd much rather get Locket+FH and let Top get RG if they need it. If you think about it, top is more likely to 1v1 and sej is more likely to not fight unless grouped, so sej gets the aura items which let's top go banshee/RG/Thornmail to 1v1. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 05 2015 05:20 Gahlo wrote: The holder is only down 50HP and 15MR. Even if we take out the scaling per level, the base shield from locket along makes up for the HP loss. Even if we ignore the health regen on the aura, since it isn't a "combat stat", each aura'd ally gains 400g worth of MR and 134-614g of "health" from the shield upon activation. Surely that is more valuable in a team fighting scenario than a more selfish item to try and block cc, which will most likely be aimed elsewhere, that can be negated easily by random poke. I play Sejuani mostly as an initiator, so if I get a good R off, I Q in while they are frozen and sit on them with W/cinderhulk damage. Blocking the CC (from their non frozen support or whatever) so you can do that seems pretty valuable to me. If you can get in their faces and make them scatter like bowling pins, I think that's worth more than a 200hp shield for a couple of your team members. Though I guess Locket would be nice if you're behind. But you should never be behind as Sejuani.  | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On May 05 2015 00:32 ticklishmusic wrote: I just feel like taking FH over Randuin's is very suboptimal when you are a cinderhulk jungler, feels very hard to justify. If I take RG already, I don't need Glacial->FH for mana, so taking FH ends up being almost solely for CDR. I think there was an argument about how locket wasn't that great of a buy either... I guess it'd be okay in situations where you don't have a top or support with it, but it's a lot of gold for less stats for yourself. The feeling of R then 1 RG 2 Randuin 3 Locket is pretty fun though. Triple actives ftw. Well, there's the theory that if you're getting bonus health, you should be valuing resistances over more health. Kind of like how the best Rammus build isn't just 6 armor items, but instead a mixture with an extra emphasis on flat health. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35161 Posts
On May 05 2015 05:37 Ketara wrote: Locket is the most cost efficient item in the game. Tank junglers love cost efficiency. As to RG + Randuin/FH, if you are getting RG your armor item should probably be thornmail. I prefer FH on Sej, so I don't get RG at all. Its an awesome item, but I don't think sej needs help engaging. I'd much rather get Locket+FH and let Top get RG if they need it. If you think about it, top is more likely to 1v1 and sej is more likely to not fight unless grouped, so sej gets the aura items which let's top go banshee/RG/Thornmail to 1v1. Do you still get Face after Lock/FH? If so, do you overcap CDR or just not bring any from runes and masteries? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But I didn't get face of the mountain on sej, or if I did it was as 6th item. I went cinderhulk>locket/randuin, then frozen heart, then some 6th item which can legitimately be almost anything. If you're against 3-4 AP you can skip randuin but the item choices to replace it with ate all sub par. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
That said, Sej has been banned in my last 80ranked games, so idk. | ||
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