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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I think Galio would be another possible Malphite stand-in. Resolute Smite pretty good poking, ult for the teamfight power. Not as good at roaming as Malphite, though. Ziggs is a good Viktor substitute, though he doesn't have the teamfight utility that augmented grabbity squeeze brings. The burst is beautiful, though, esp. once Malphite finishes abyssal. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6173 Posts
 (even pass from silv 2 to almost silv5 due to inactivity  ) | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
There hasn't been much discussion of new tests to do, so I'm assuming we'll keep testing the jungle buff transfer (possibly with very concentrated tests on invasions using extremely short in-houses) and a few other old favorites (blue corki, maokai mid, whatever else). | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'm with friends in Maine but today is like dick around and play videogames day because it's raining real hard. In other news, I want to try a split push GP top build some time. Basically my idea for it is not necessarily that it's good, but it might be decent and moreover, it's cool. See, in my head, there are two types of split push champ. The first type is like Nidalee or Tryndamere or Shaco, which is not a cool champion. They're obnoxiously hard to 1v1 and absolutely terrible in teamfights. They try to stay as far away from their team as possible and just be assholes, and it's not cool because it's frustrating for both teams. The enemy team is frustrated because they can't really 1v1 them, and the allied team is frustrated because the goal of the split push champion is to not play with his team as much as possible. The second type is like Shen, which is a cool split pusher. You can 1v1 Shen a lot easier, but Shen is actually playing with his team because he can use his ult to assist fights, so while it's still strong or even stronger, it feels a lot better design wise. I think if GP could be a good split pusher, he could be cool like Shen. Because you'd be assisting fights with your global ult while split pushing. I'd like to try it sometime with a comp that's like a strong 4 man team, plus GP. GP builds Tiamat, Bilgewater Cutlass and Chalice as his core, and split pushes like crazy, using his ult to assist fights. End game build would be like Hydra, BotRK, Athenes, GA, and something else dunno what. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But the idea is cool. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
Been busy with a summer class, sad I missed blue Corki day, but I can probably fit him into other tests since his role doesn't change that much if he's bot. I'm thinking muramana's a no-go because he doesn't proc it on any of his spells. Speaking of which, the wiki says both Jax's W and R double-proc muramana, which has me intrigued. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 10 2013 05:52 Flakes wrote: GP can also run TP since a lot of the time he's not really going for lane kills, and if you're tp ganking you can ult ahead of time to make sure your targets don't make it too far away. Though honestly it doesn't seem much better than TP on any other safe laner : \ Been busy with a summer class, sad I missed blue Corki day, but I can probably fit him into other tests since his role doesn't change that much if he's bot. I'm thinking muramana's a no-go because he doesn't proc it on any of his spells. Speaking of which, the wiki says both Jax's W and R double-proc muramana, which has me intrigued. One proc for the aa, one proc for the "ability" (the fact that he uses W, or R triggers). | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
From the two invasion tests I was there for, I think playing to level 3 would have given a better idea of timing/advantage effects, though there's just too many variables in level 1 fights (even at the pro level) that we probably wouldn't learn much. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Twitch/Cass Be there~ | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
What are the weaknesses of this sort of double AP poke (Malphite/Viktor specifically)? First, both pokers need levels in their skills to output enough damage. Level 1 Q does very little; same with level 1 E. Moreover, both are very mana inefficient until leveled up. Second, you don't have a carry, so your lane had better win hard or scale very well. Malphite/Viktor does scale fairly well, but in games where we don't win lane hard I do feel behind in lategame. Fortunately, Malphite is very good at nullifying a carry in fights, making him a solid backup plan. Third, you have to bring something to the team as an underleveled and less-farmed champ. We usually slightly split bot lane farm with most of it going to Viktor. Malphite always has his ult, Q and E. Ult is very effective with just one point, and Q and E do their job even without being fully leveled. Viktor's gravity field is also a one-point wonder, though his ult is mostly damage and needs levels/farm. The strengths, of course, are incredible midgame teamfight potential and a high kill threat after 6. Malphite can get mobos and roam while viktor holds tower, or just focus on ulting bot every time ult is up. I've run this with pantheon or TF mid a lot, and both those champs appreciate someone to hold people in place while ult channels. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
He is not strong pre 6, not even a little bit. Even after 6 the cooldown on his ult is ginormous. And he needs items. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Edit: And then it miraculously returns. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
I also disagree with the statement Q and E do their job without being leveled. The movement speed bonus scales with levels on q, the attack speed slow on his e scales with levels. More importantly, you're never going to be in range to use his E to slow their ADC unless you just ulted. You're not going to nullify the enemy ADC with a low farm Malph unless your team follows up your ult extremely well. The margin for error when you have minimal tankiness is very low. Also you drag out the stage of the game where Malph is weak. Level 1-3 Malph is hideously weak, and he doesn't really hit his stride until 8 or 9. The odds you ever get to level 8 or 9 without getting mauled are fairly low in a duo lane with Viktor, and even if you do, you have no items. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It seems really strong in lanes where the enemy duo can't avoid trades with Cassiopeia. It seems extremely hard to beat the two of them in any sort of 2v2 situation. Lanes that are able to passive farm at a distance I think things are a little different. We're also not really sure what good items to build on Cass are. It'd be good to do some math and theorycraft what the most efficient budget AP in the game is. All in all it is gimmicky, but possibly strong in the right situation, may work very well against some lanes and very poorly against others. Also seems like it would be pretty good in a 2v1 situation? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
It's Twitch letting Cass go ham on people whenever he lands an auto or W on them, so he can farm easily and zone them, rather than Cass herself running at them trying to hit Qs and not get cc'd while they retreat. | ||
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