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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 02 2013 14:44 GMT
#1161
So, I'm going to Anime Expo (nerd) and can't host TROLLS this week.

Hopefully Monte can.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 03 2013 18:02 GMT
#1162
I won't be able to, sadly.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
July 10 2013 11:18 GMT
#1163
On which server do you play?
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 10 2013 13:20 GMT
#1164
NA
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
July 11 2013 00:07 GMT
#1165
well fuck I would like to see what happens when my Soraka gives infinite mana to heroes
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 11 2013 15:20 GMT
#1166
Monte what are we looking like for TROLLS tomorrow?

I can do it although I'm shopping around lunchtime so I may be a little late. Will try to be on time.

I'd like to do more of our buffswap testing, although I want to focus it a little differently if possible. I want to just run normal team comps with standard meta heroes, ignoring whether or not we think they're "good" for the buffswap strat, and just see how it turns out with the buffswap anyway.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 12 2013 13:54 GMT
#1167
I think I can be around to organize, but I'll need to cook dinner around that time so I won't actually be playing initially.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 12 2013 21:03 GMT
#1168
I am here.

Testing in 1 hour, peepjerks.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 12 2013 22:20 GMT
#1169
Monte we have 4, come play you butt.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 02:40:58
July 13 2013 02:36 GMT
#1170
OK 6 games tested today.

Game 1 - Passed blue to Ryze, Udyr jungle.
Udyr reported no problems. Ryze was ahead (vs. Janna) and decided to tower dive and got killed. Oh well.

Game 2 - Passed blue to Ryze, Zac jungle.
Zac reported no problems. Ryze was ahead (vs. Annie) and decided to tower dive and got killed. Sylverfire not allowed to have blue at level 1 anymore.

Both of these games Sylver said it felt really good on Ryze, he just went too HAM.

Game 3 - Passed blue to Lux, Lee jungle.
Lee reported no problems. Lux absolutely dominated Kassadin, kept a double CS lead the entire game despite only killing him once.

Game 4 - Game 4 was sort of a wash because we had 2 disconnects and couldn't execute the strategy.

Game 5 - Passed red to Lux, Sejuani jungle.
Sejuani reported no problems. Lux vs. Morgana got an early CS lead, and while couldn't kill Morg, was able to stay just a little bit ahead throughout the game.

Game 6 - Passed red to Jayce, Nunu jungle.
Nunu reported no problems. Jayce said he would have preferred blue, but still did reasonably well early game despite being ganked several times.


All in all basically what we've found is that as long as you take a jungler who doesn't need both buffs (Jarvan, Xin etc), the jungler never reports feeling behind even in the slightest. Mid lane regardless of matchup always seems to be at minimum slightly ahead, and at best completely dominates the lane.

One note we found is that it's really important that the mid laner take armor runes even if they wouldn't normally, so that they don't take too much damage doing the buff.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-13 18:27:35
July 13 2013 06:12 GMT
#1171
Next week if you guys are still playing by like 11pm eastern I will probably be able to play. If anyone would be interested in doing some off-day testing on sunday/monday/tuesday or late wednesday I would also be available.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 13 2013 13:03 GMT
#1172
Sorry about that, something came up at the last minute and I wasn't able to make it.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 14 2013 07:07 GMT
#1173
Since the subject died in the GD, I thought I'd share a thought on the buff transfer strategy here.

We've done well against invasions in the past, but I do not think we've adequately addressed that as a potential issue. The invasions we've seen have been formulaic, direct, and often poorly executed. Because the enemies we've faced have no understanding or concept of what we are doing, they have never invaded in a manner designed to counter our strategy. As a result, we do not have a complete response to the question, "How does this strategy handle invasion?"

It would be extremely helpful I think to have tests focused on the first 3 minutes of the game, where one team of players focuses primarily on invading the other, knowing full well what was going on. This is not fair, as realistically the buff transfer is one of several options available to teams, and where there is uncertainty there is risk to the invading team. That said, without aggressive (and possibly foolhardy) attempts to interrupt the process and capitalize on the team split this strategy requires, we can't really say for sure how it fares against invasion.

My guess is that at worst our strategy has the same level of risk as any other strategy, we've seen plenty of games played to the current meta where one team ends up with 3 buffs initially. However, without having tested rigorously to verify this, it's merely a guess.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
July 14 2013 13:49 GMT
#1174
The best (i.e. optimal if it works) invade strategy might be sending 4 to where their jungler is and sending your jungler to the other buff to try to smitesteal it. This seems a bit risky, though, unless the jungler is comfortable escaping.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 14 2013 15:13 GMT
#1175
I don't see how it would end up any different than current invades in pro games to be honest.

Everybody will group up, try to figure out where the other team is, and if they can't get a positioning advantage by like 1:45 then all 10 people will back off.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 14 2013 19:43 GMT
#1176
It's not a matter of seeing it so much as testing it. The 0:00 - 2:20 time frame is a big, ugly blob of what ifs, and it's academically dishonest to just say, "Well we can't see or conceive of anything that could happen outside of the norm. Let's call it a day." We test not because we think we're wrong but to see what the truth of the matter is.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:39:10
July 15 2013 00:08 GMT
#1177
Have you done in the past test plays involving Soraka? If yes, could you you either summarize the results or point me to a page in this thread, where I would be able to read your results?

If no, then my account is 19lvl on Nordic & East, in theory I can move it to NA (even several times as I have the money, depending on the situation in the future edit: uh after checking the prices I don't know about that T_T and leveling new account would take time) but I have no idea what kind of ping I would be getting. And there's also the issue of time, 11PM East coast is like 5AM CET so I have no idea if it would be possible to play for me at all...
That is assuming of course you would be interested in testing Soraka as support if you haven't already.

In my (extremely?) noob experience she can be pretty nice in a combo with Nidalee / Darius / Kog'Maw / Cho'Gath / Zyra / Ezreal or any other hero who burns mana quickly, as long as you can imagine having infinite mana on a hero without depending on a blue buff and pouring gold into non-mana-regen items instead.

So what is your experience?
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Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
July 15 2013 00:14 GMT
#1178
On July 15 2013 09:08 beetlelisk wrote:
Have you done in the past test plays involving Soraka? If yes, could you you either summarize the results or point me to a page in this thread, where I would be able to read your results?

If no, then my account is 19lvl on Nordic & East, in theory I can move it to NA (even several times as I have the money, depending on the situation in the future) but I have no idea what kind of ping I would be getting. And there's also the issue of time, 11PM East coast is like 5AM CET so I have no idea if it would be possible to play for me at all...
That is assuming of course you would be interested in testing Soraka as support if you haven't already.

In my (extremely?) noob experience she can be pretty nice in a combo with Nidalee / Darius / Kog'Maw / Cho'Gath / Zyra / Ezreal or any other hero who burns mana quickly, as long as you can imagine having infinite mana on a hero without depending on a blue buff and pouring gold into non-mana-regen items instead.

So what is your experience?

Why would Soraka need testing as a support? Soraka support is her standard role.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
July 15 2013 01:26 GMT
#1179
Talking about passing buffs to laners - One strategy that I like to do purple side is 3 man invade their red with ad/support/mid with your jungle/top doing your red. Ward both the buff bush and the bush that has sight of the buff, and just 3 man their red, giving it to the adc.

Alot of times the other team doesn't check it, so we get it for free, or has 1 person facecheck us 3 and we get firstblood.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:41:43
July 15 2013 01:56 GMT
#1180
On July 15 2013 09:14 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 09:08 beetlelisk wrote:
Have you done in the past test plays involving Soraka? If yes, could you you either summarize the results or point me to a page in this thread, where I would be able to read your results?

If no, then my account is 19lvl on Nordic & East, in theory I can move it to NA (even several times as I have the money, depending on the situation in the future) but I have no idea what kind of ping I would be getting. And there's also the issue of time, 11PM East coast is like 5AM CET so I have no idea if it would be possible to play for me at all...
That is assuming of course you would be interested in testing Soraka as support if you haven't already.

In my (extremely?) noob experience she can be pretty nice in a combo with Nidalee / Darius / Kog'Maw / Cho'Gath / Zyra / Ezreal or any other hero who burns mana quickly, as long as you can imagine having infinite mana on a hero without depending on a blue buff and pouring gold into non-mana-regen items instead.

So what is your experience?

Why would Soraka need testing as a support? Soraka support is her standard role.

My question is really if TROLLS has any experience with Soraka. I'm asking because my veteran friend calls her useless. I just need another point of view because the banana girl is my favourite support hero, both for her abilities and appearance. Appearance because she resembles Na'vi people from Avatar and I'm sort of the Avatar maniac. I have soft spot for cheesy stories wrapped in eye candies. Naturally her abilities are the most important of what makes me want to gain experience playing and learn when to play her.
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