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On January 30 2013 02:22 sylverfyre wrote:
Looking at that math, I'd lean towards AD reds for increased last hitting ability - we do, after all, want to farm up as Trynd. Since the trading numbers are pretty close,
I'd lean towards 2 rejuv beads because the extra potions and option of a ward provide versatility in your healing, and also builds into a core item, while the only useful thing I see the tome doing is increasing healing.
How do you feel about Statikk Shiv on Trynd? It seems like since stand-still autoing is not very common as Tryndamere, the passive of Shiv would work better than the higher target-dummy DPS of PD. (In fights getting just a few attacks on someone is likely before you have to either back off or they die from focus.) Also if you get it in laning, it's pretty neat for trading as well as pushing.
AD Reds are probably the best general purpose option, and certainly preferable to Armor Penetration (especially as AD gets better the longer a trade lasts). Crit is something of a playstyle preference on my part (I like exploiting the openings Crit occasionally provides).
The tradeoff for using the 2 Rejuvenation Bead opening is that you sacrifice 3 Hp5 and 20 damage on E. To be honest, if it wasn't for the ward I wouldn't think twice about which opening to use. The good news, however, is that you're not committed to either until the game starts, so if there's a super-aggressive jungler on the enemy team you can always fall back on the Bead opening.
The problem I have with Statikk Shiv is that it isn't much cheaper than PD unless you get to sit on Avarice for awhile. Practically speaking you want Zeal first anyway, and in that case I'd rather have PD (especially now that creep blocking is such a huge problem).
On January 30 2013 02:36 Ketara wrote:
I'm thinking about making an AD page for Lux vs. certain melee mids (Kassadin, Yi). People who are melee and have no early escape mechanics.
Something like Mpen reds, HP/level yellows, flat AP blues and flat AD quints, for maximum level 1 abuse.
Thoughts?
A lot of mids used to run AD Quints or Marks in S2 simply because many AP champions have horrendous base AD and auto-attack animations. It's not too unconventional.
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For the record I was talking ArPen reds on AP Trynd, where they benefit your damage significantly more than AD I'd imagine. Crit for the reset on E (and general DPS) may be more worth it, though.
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On January 30 2013 02:36 Ketara wrote:
I'm thinking about making an AD page for Lux vs. certain melee mids (Kassadin, Yi). People who are melee and have no early escape mechanics.
Something like Mpen reds, HP/level yellows, flat AP blues and flat AD quints, for maximum level 1 abuse.
Thoughts?
Try it on Swain too for kicks and giggles.
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skill level for AP starting trynd?
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Against most other melee champions, pretty low (pressing Q every 11.52 seconds is hard /sarcasm). Ranged champions are more of a challenge.
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On January 30 2013 21:28 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 02:36 Ketara wrote:
I'm thinking about making an AD page for Lux vs. certain melee mids (Kassadin, Yi). People who are melee and have no early escape mechanics.
Something like Mpen reds, HP/level yellows, flat AP blues and flat AD quints, for maximum level 1 abuse.
Thoughts? Try it on Swain too for kicks and giggles.
Also could be a good usage for Hybrid pen reds!
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There's testing tomorrow, and it's not clear to me what everyone is excited about. Outside of Support Zilean and my Tryndamere theory there hasn't been much discussion this week. That leaves us with a lot of old topics to potential analyze unless we have some new ideas in the next 24 hours.
Please post here with new concepts for test or opinions on which old ones will be the most fun/profitable.
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You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.
Key would be to see if he can still survive.
And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty
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Teleport comp, there are lots of potentially untested strategies involving teams with 3-5 teleports.
Sending AP carries bot and AD carries elsewhere is always fun and could be profitable if you find an AP carry that is surprisingly strong against AD carry/support. (I know Ryze does alright just because he can rush Glacial Shroud, but there ought to be a few others)
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On February 01 2013 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.
Key would be to see if he can still survive.
And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty
You could have just said, "I'd like to throw Jungle Fizz on to the list, but I need to test him first. I'll get back to you later if it has potential.", we would have been safe in the knowledge that you had things well in hand, and I wouldn't have had to demote you to Assistant to the Executive Janitor.
Alas.
In other news, teleport comps sound interesting. They're definitely on the table for tomorrow.
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ooh if i have time i'll join in on the testing.
i have no ideas so i can just be a control subject.
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On February 01 2013 10:41 Terranasaur wrote:
I'd like a title...
Titles are earned, not given.
+ Show Spoiler +Which just means you just have to invent one. + Show Spoiler +But nobody is going to do it for you
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On February 01 2013 10:12 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.
Key would be to see if he can still survive.
And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty You could have just said, "I'd like to throw Jungle Fizz on to the list, but I need to test him first. I'll get back to you later if it has potential.", we would have been safe in the knowledge that you had things well in hand, and I wouldn't have had to demote you to Assistant to the Executive Janitor. Alas. In other news, teleport comps sound interesting. They're definitely on the table for tomorrow.
fuuuuuu monty
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My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance.
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On February 01 2013 13:30 Inschato wrote:
My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance.
It's true. He tried to tell me what it was and immediately we were surrounded by black SUVs and guys with assault rifles streamed out. I had to sign away Two_DoWN's soul in order to escape with my life.
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I'll be spending tomorrow getting replays of one of my favorite bot lanes for people to see the effectiveness of it. Morde Heimer appears troll at first but it's built on solid poke with free farm for Morde, and involves pushing as hard as possible, so beware teams with devastating gankers.
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On February 01 2013 15:47 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 13:30 Inschato wrote:
My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance. It's true. He tried to tell me what it was and immediately we were surrounded by black SUVs and guys with assault rifles streamed out. I had to sign away Two_DoWN's soul in order to escape with my life.
Jokes on you Monty, Im gonna be a lawyer. Sold that thing LONG time ago.
They gonna be comin for you now son.
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On February 01 2013 10:12 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.
Key would be to see if he can still survive.
And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty You could have just said, "I'd like to throw Jungle Fizz on to the list, but I need to test him first. I'll get back to you later if it has potential.", we would have been safe in the knowledge that you had things well in hand, and I wouldn't have had to demote you to Assistant to the Executive Janitor. Alas. In other news, teleport comps sound interesting. They're definitely on the table for tomorrow.
I've tried onhit jungle fizz recently and its pretty trash
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On February 01 2013 16:29 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:47 Seuss wrote:On February 01 2013 13:30 Inschato wrote:
My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance. It's true. He tried to tell me what it was and immediately we were surrounded by black SUVs and guys with assault rifles streamed out. I had to sign away Two_DoWN's soul in order to escape with my life. Jokes on you Monty, Im gonna be a lawyer. Sold that thing LONG time ago. They gonna be comin for you now son.
I assure you that at the time your soul was in my possession and my rightful property (funny things happen when you sell your soul).
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