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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-29 18:33:16
January 29 2013 18:04 GMT
#401
On January 30 2013 02:22 sylverfyre wrote:
Looking at that math, I'd lean towards AD reds for increased last hitting ability - we do, after all, want to farm up as Trynd. Since the trading numbers are pretty close,

I'd lean towards 2 rejuv beads because the extra potions and option of a ward provide versatility in your healing, and also builds into a core item, while the only useful thing I see the tome doing is increasing healing.

How do you feel about Statikk Shiv on Trynd? It seems like since stand-still autoing is not very common as Tryndamere, the passive of Shiv would work better than the higher target-dummy DPS of PD. (In fights getting just a few attacks on someone is likely before you have to either back off or they die from focus.) Also if you get it in laning, it's pretty neat for trading as well as pushing.


AD Reds are probably the best general purpose option, and certainly preferable to Armor Penetration (especially as AD gets better the longer a trade lasts). Crit is something of a playstyle preference on my part (I like exploiting the openings Crit occasionally provides).

The tradeoff for using the 2 Rejuvenation Bead opening is that you sacrifice 3 Hp5 and 20 damage on E. To be honest, if it wasn't for the ward I wouldn't think twice about which opening to use. The good news, however, is that you're not committed to either until the game starts, so if there's a super-aggressive jungler on the enemy team you can always fall back on the Bead opening.

The problem I have with Statikk Shiv is that it isn't much cheaper than PD unless you get to sit on Avarice for awhile. Practically speaking you want Zeal first anyway, and in that case I'd rather have PD (especially now that creep blocking is such a huge problem).

On January 30 2013 02:36 Ketara wrote:
I'm thinking about making an AD page for Lux vs. certain melee mids (Kassadin, Yi). People who are melee and have no early escape mechanics.

Something like Mpen reds, HP/level yellows, flat AP blues and flat AD quints, for maximum level 1 abuse.

Thoughts?


A lot of mids used to run AD Quints or Marks in S2 simply because many AP champions have horrendous base AD and auto-attack animations. It's not too unconventional.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
January 30 2013 07:50 GMT
#402
For the record I was talking ArPen reds on AP Trynd, where they benefit your damage significantly more than AD I'd imagine. Crit for the reset on E (and general DPS) may be more worth it, though.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 30 2013 12:28 GMT
#403
On January 30 2013 02:36 Ketara wrote:
I'm thinking about making an AD page for Lux vs. certain melee mids (Kassadin, Yi). People who are melee and have no early escape mechanics.

Something like Mpen reds, HP/level yellows, flat AP blues and flat AD quints, for maximum level 1 abuse.

Thoughts?

Try it on Swain too for kicks and giggles.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
January 31 2013 02:09 GMT
#404
skill level for AP starting trynd?
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 31 2013 03:36 GMT
#405
Against most other melee champions, pretty low (pressing Q every 11.52 seconds is hard /sarcasm). Ranged champions are more of a challenge.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 04:39:04
January 31 2013 04:38 GMT
#406
On January 30 2013 21:28 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 02:36 Ketara wrote:
I'm thinking about making an AD page for Lux vs. certain melee mids (Kassadin, Yi). People who are melee and have no early escape mechanics.

Something like Mpen reds, HP/level yellows, flat AP blues and flat AD quints, for maximum level 1 abuse.

Thoughts?

Try it on Swain too for kicks and giggles.

Also could be a good usage for Hybrid pen reds!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2013 00:14 GMT
#407
There's testing tomorrow, and it's not clear to me what everyone is excited about. Outside of Support Zilean and my Tryndamere theory there hasn't been much discussion this week. That leaves us with a lot of old topics to potential analyze unless we have some new ideas in the next 24 hours.

Please post here with new concepts for test or opinions on which old ones will be the most fun/profitable.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 01 2013 00:24 GMT
#408
You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.

Key would be to see if he can still survive.

And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
February 01 2013 00:30 GMT
#409
Teleport comp, there are lots of potentially untested strategies involving teams with 3-5 teleports.

Sending AP carries bot and AD carries elsewhere is always fun and could be profitable if you find an AP carry that is surprisingly strong against AD carry/support. (I know Ryze does alright just because he can rush Glacial Shroud, but there ought to be a few others)
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2013 01:12 GMT
#410
On February 01 2013 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.

Key would be to see if he can still survive.

And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty


You could have just said, "I'd like to throw Jungle Fizz on to the list, but I need to test him first. I'll get back to you later if it has potential.", we would have been safe in the knowledge that you had things well in hand, and I wouldn't have had to demote you to Assistant to the Executive Janitor.

Alas.



In other news, teleport comps sound interesting. They're definitely on the table for tomorrow.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
February 01 2013 01:13 GMT
#411
ooh if i have time i'll join in on the testing.

i have no ideas so i can just be a control subject.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 01 2013 01:41 GMT
#412
I'd like a title...
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 01 2013 01:54 GMT
#413
On February 01 2013 10:41 Terranasaur wrote:
I'd like a title...

Titles are earned, not given.

+ Show Spoiler +
Which just means you just have to invent one. + Show Spoiler +
But nobody is going to do it for you
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 01 2013 04:22 GMT
#414
On February 01 2013 10:12 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.

Key would be to see if he can still survive.

And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty


You could have just said, "I'd like to throw Jungle Fizz on to the list, but I need to test him first. I'll get back to you later if it has potential.", we would have been safe in the knowledge that you had things well in hand, and I wouldn't have had to demote you to Assistant to the Executive Janitor.

Alas.



In other news, teleport comps sound interesting. They're definitely on the table for tomorrow.

fuuuuuu monty
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
February 01 2013 04:30 GMT
#415
My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance.
3.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2013 06:47 GMT
#416
On February 01 2013 13:30 Inschato wrote:
My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance.


It's true. He tried to tell me what it was and immediately we were surrounded by black SUVs and guys with assault rifles streamed out. I had to sign away Two_DoWN's soul in order to escape with my life.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 01 2013 07:26 GMT
#417
I'll be spending tomorrow getting replays of one of my favorite bot lanes for people to see the effectiveness of it. Morde Heimer appears troll at first but it's built on solid poke with free farm for Morde, and involves pushing as hard as possible, so beware teams with devastating gankers.
Hey! How you doin'?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 01 2013 07:29 GMT
#418
On February 01 2013 15:47 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 13:30 Inschato wrote:
My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance.


It's true. He tried to tell me what it was and immediately we were surrounded by black SUVs and guys with assault rifles streamed out. I had to sign away Two_DoWN's soul in order to escape with my life.

Jokes on you Monty, Im gonna be a lawyer. Sold that thing LONG time ago.

They gonna be comin for you now son.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 01 2013 07:50 GMT
#419
On February 01 2013 10:12 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 09:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
You could throw Jungle Autoattack Fizz onto that list. He possibly could be pretty good with the new itemization.

Key would be to see if he can still survive.

And yes, I know that I should be testing it or whatever, but I'm in class right now, so sue me Monty


You could have just said, "I'd like to throw Jungle Fizz on to the list, but I need to test him first. I'll get back to you later if it has potential.", we would have been safe in the knowledge that you had things well in hand, and I wouldn't have had to demote you to Assistant to the Executive Janitor.

Alas.



In other news, teleport comps sound interesting. They're definitely on the table for tomorrow.


I've tried onhit jungle fizz recently and its pretty trash
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 01 2013 08:09 GMT
#420
On February 01 2013 16:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 15:47 Seuss wrote:
On February 01 2013 13:30 Inschato wrote:
My title is so amazing you can't even see me on the list. You don't have clearance.


It's true. He tried to tell me what it was and immediately we were surrounded by black SUVs and guys with assault rifles streamed out. I had to sign away Two_DoWN's soul in order to escape with my life.

Jokes on you Monty, Im gonna be a lawyer. Sold that thing LONG time ago.

They gonna be comin for you now son.


I assure you that at the time your soul was in my possession and my rightful property (funny things happen when you sell your soul).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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