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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
February 02 2013 14:26 GMT
#441
You guys didn't try out lux support/carry? That seems like a good test subject for a duo lane either way. I would nominate jarvan jungle and as a 1v2er.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 02 2013 15:23 GMT
#442
Lux support really isnt worth trying, its been done a ton and its just basically a crappy version of Zyra.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 15:51:52
February 02 2013 15:51 GMT
#443
We discussed Lux support as a viable alternative if Zyra was taken/banned, but decided that Zyra is just straight up better. Zyra's kit is fairly similar, but what sets her apart is she can do damage without building AP. Lux can't.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-02 16:19:34
February 02 2013 16:17 GMT
#444
I wonder if, for the Ryze build in this comp, it would be a good idea to rush the Manamune, to give him the AD to allow him to push down the tower in the 2v1.

Thresh could also grab an early longsword for some bully potential, and late game turn it into a Zekes Herald. If we're running something like Thresh + Nautilus + Cho'gath, we can really split the support itemization up and allow Thresh to build a little bit of damage.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Arekan
Profile Joined February 2011
United States248 Posts
February 02 2013 23:14 GMT
#445
On February 03 2013 01:17 Ketara wrote:
I wonder if, for the Ryze build in this comp, it would be a good idea to rush the Manamune, to give him the AD to allow him to push down the tower in the 2v1.

Thresh could also grab an early longsword for some bully potential, and late game turn it into a Zekes Herald. If we're running something like Thresh + Nautilus + Cho'gath, we can really split the support itemization up and allow Thresh to build a little bit of damage.


The issue I see with straight rushing Manamune is that there were multiple times where the extra health from catalyst saved my ass, allowing me to grab the double kill on their solo and jungle ganking. I could see it being done if their jungler is Udyr or something so I don't have to worry about the gank as much.

As long as Thresh's Q passive stays as is, I think a little damage could be useful if it can be afforded in the build.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
February 02 2013 23:31 GMT
#446
On February 03 2013 00:23 sob3k wrote:
Lux support really isnt worth trying, its been done a ton and its just basically a crappy version of Zyra.


I dunno, I like playing lux support. Her q is a whole lot harder to hit than zyra's e but it practically guarantees a kill during laning if your adc is well positioned. Also, I feel her burst is slightly better and her shield is very strong in the mid and late game (if you max it second).

Her ult has nothing on zyra's, though.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12038 Posts
February 02 2013 23:37 GMT
#447
Manamune itself does not really give you much that a tear does not give you alone, it only becomes really good when it transforms, so i don't see rushing it as a particularly good idea.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 02 2013 23:48 GMT
#448
The problem that I see is just that the 2v1 Ryze Thresh lane say, cannot take down towers, while a Korean style 2v1 lane tries to have the tower down by 5 mins.

Lets say both Ryze and Thresh grabbed an early longsword (they know they'll be building them into things) and both took the 5% tower damage mastery, that would mitigate a lot of this inability to damage towers.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
February 02 2013 23:58 GMT
#449
Midking was bulding tear before catalyst in São Paulo and it seemed to work fine to him.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 03 2013 00:10 GMT
#450
The issue isn't Tear before Catalyst, it's Manamune before Catalyst.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
February 03 2013 00:51 GMT
#451
I know some people were talking about AD jungling. Go abuse http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1015&topic_id=396402 :


with Nami support as she can pretty much go support like normal after setting up the camps for your AD jungle. Jungler taking no damage is pretty huge.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 03 2013 00:59 GMT
#452
I don't think we should plan tests around bugs which aren't likely to last more than a week.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-03 01:04:33
February 03 2013 01:04 GMT
#453
On February 03 2013 09:59 Seuss wrote:
I don't think we should plan tests around bugs which aren't likely to last more than a week.


That's true enough, but I think it's bound to let you guys have some fun too. It's part of why we play LoL and abusing funny bugs feels like it should be #1 in a place named TROLLS
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 03 2013 02:50 GMT
#454
Do we want to do the ranked games on a different day?

We could have Friday for goofing off in an in-house setting, having fun, testing rando stuff, and then on Saturdays or some other day pick something we've tested that actually seems legit and test it in the ranked 5s with stream and etc for an hour or two.

We did the ranked on Friday because we magically had exactly 5 people. I had a lot of fun with the ranked game and would like to do more, but if we have 10 people for goofing off we shouldn't be like "Screw you guys, we're gonna do ranked games."
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-03 06:55:03
February 03 2013 06:53 GMT
#455
On February 03 2013 00:23 sob3k wrote:
Lux support really isnt worth trying, its been done a ton and its just basically a crappy version of Zyra.

Zyra doesn't have a shield (which totally fucking rocks early trades. Shield self + your carry, twice ~2-3 sec apart while fighting? won that fight.) Lux has her place. Obviously she doesnt have an aoe teamfight/disengage ulti, but she has a place.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 03 2013 15:56 GMT
#456
On February 03 2013 15:53 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2013 00:23 sob3k wrote:
Lux support really isnt worth trying, its been done a ton and its just basically a crappy version of Zyra.

Zyra doesn't have a shield (which totally fucking rocks early trades. Shield self + your carry, twice ~2-3 sec apart while fighting? won that fight.) Lux has her place. Obviously she doesnt have an aoe teamfight/disengage ulti, but she has a place.


Yeah, in the long line of supports worse than Zyra.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 03 2013 21:34 GMT
#457
On February 04 2013 00:56 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2013 15:53 sylverfyre wrote:
On February 03 2013 00:23 sob3k wrote:
Lux support really isnt worth trying, its been done a ton and its just basically a crappy version of Zyra.

Zyra doesn't have a shield (which totally fucking rocks early trades. Shield self + your carry, twice ~2-3 sec apart while fighting? won that fight.) Lux has her place. Obviously she doesnt have an aoe teamfight/disengage ulti, but she has a place.


Yeah, in the long line of supports worse than Zyra.


I think Lux has her niche, but it would be fair to say that she's only on-par or better than Zyra in a very limited set of circumstances. She rides a much finer line than Zyra in terms of effectiveness, if you fall behind or get crushed on Lux that's fairly fatal to your later game utility (the same is not true of Zyra).

On February 03 2013 11:50 Ketara wrote:
Do we want to do the ranked games on a different day?

We could have Friday for goofing off in an in-house setting, having fun, testing rando stuff, and then on Saturdays or some other day pick something we've tested that actually seems legit and test it in the ranked 5s with stream and etc for an hour or two.

We did the ranked on Friday because we magically had exactly 5 people. I had a lot of fun with the ranked game and would like to do more, but if we have 10 people for goofing off we shouldn't be like "Screw you guys, we're gonna do ranked games."


Testing is never ruled out during the week. However, I already have a lot of obligations with specific, immutable time requirements (e.g. MwM and other things), so I'm not really keen to add another inflexible commitment. If players are around for TL RnD during the week we can certainly try and play some.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 04 2013 01:46 GMT
#458
I feel like Lux is better than zyra for quick-trades against other harassy lane combos, because of her shield and E+auto's relative reliability compared to "I hope I hit this snare" which zyra does. However, the threat of Zyra's crushing CC and power when she lands her shit, especially post-6, is so great that she has ridiculous zone potential.
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
February 04 2013 03:48 GMT
#459
After watching Nyjacky a little bit today, I decided to try out AP Cho Gath in a similar way to AP Teemo: By building his auto attacks. The build in my head contains malady, nashors, deathcap, abyssal scepter, hourglass and ofc zerker's greaves.

I'm so going to test that shit.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 04 2013 04:18 GMT
#460
On February 04 2013 12:48 Djagulingu wrote:
After watching Nyjacky a little bit today, I decided to try out AP Cho Gath in a similar way to AP Teemo: By building his auto attacks. The build in my head contains malady, nashors, deathcap, abyssal scepter, hourglass and ofc zerker's greaves.

I'm so going to test that shit.


Unfortunately cho is melee range so if you build that you are going to blow up instantly.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
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