EPT[Champion] Swain - Page 9
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Sufficiency
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 20 2013 01:10 koreasilver wrote: Swain's pre6 laning has always been weak against champs that can push the lane easily, so getting bullied back to your tower is a part of playing Swain. It's useful to take the +dmg to minions and flat ad masteries because of this. Also, I'm not convinced at all of building tear -> seraph over chalice -> grail unless you're laning against an AD champ and the enemy team doesn't have any heavy AP damage. Swain needs a large mana pool more than mp5, the saving grace of Grail in teamfights is in its on-kill/assist passive, other than that it'd help in lane but you'd still get oom during teamfights. | ||
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Tooplark
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ArcTimes
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On May 20 2013 03:39 koreasilver wrote: I know that Swain needs a large mana pool; I've played him for a long time now which is why I've been pretty dogmatic about ROA on Swain any time we talk about Swain. But Swain doesn't stack tear that fast in comparison to most other champions that build tear as a core item. That's true, that's why my main build was roa tear. The tear is late but with the mana of the roa and a blue buff, you can stack the tear with your ulti and other spells. What do you think about it? | ||
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arb
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On May 20 2013 08:16 ArcTimes wrote: That's true, that's why my main build was roa tear. The tear is late but with the mana of the roa and a blue buff, you can stack the tear with your ulti and other spells. What do you think about it? I always go cata tear roa, tear isnt that expensive now, not sure why you say he doesnt stack it fast, cause with it proccing everytime you spend mana its alot easier to stack now imo. RoA/Tear/Chalice(Mostly for the athenes passive later) is really the goto build on swain, with other items being totally situational On May 20 2013 00:11 Trainninja wrote: I've been playing Swain a lot lately but i get a lot of trouble last hitting under tower - I can't finish a melee creep after it gets hit by the tower twice. Also wondering if people have trouble with cassio and syndra, since their spells out range me, I find it hard to force a trade and just end up trying to dodge skill shots while pushed to tower. I'm at the Silver I level so that's kind of the opponent's i'm facing. not sure about syndra, but swain vs cass(unless shes REALLY bad) is probably the worst matchup you can ever hope to get when playing him tbh | ||
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ArcTimes
Peru269 Posts
On May 20 2013 09:35 arb wrote: I always go cata tear roa, tear isnt that expensive now, not sure why you say he doesnt stack it fast, cause with it proccing everytime you spend mana its alot easier to stack now imo. RoA/Tear/Chalice(Mostly for the athenes passive later) is really the goto build on swain, with other items being totally situational I mean that tear before cata is not as fast as after cata because even with your passive, you should not spam your spells like crazy, at least not as soon as they are not on cd. Unless you have the blue buff, but still i just like the passive of cata and the early heal you get. | ||
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Trainninja
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On May 21 2013 16:06 ArcTimes wrote: I mean that tear before cata is not as fast as after cata because even with your passive, you should not spam your spells like crazy, at least not as soon as they are not on cd. Unless you have the blue buff, but still i just like the passive of cata and the early heal you get. Once you have blue buff/Cata i really feel you can be pretty active keeping R on and spamming spells without alot of trouble. Personally i've never had a problem stacking tear, and even if you dont make seraphs early you'll still have the mana for more cawcawing while you get whatever other items you need(situational obv) On May 21 2013 23:25 Trainninja wrote: Saw this on Xpeke's stream - he was stacking RoA on Kassadin - what do you guys think of this build on Swain? Eh i doubt it would be good tbh, feel like youd get more use buying useful things like hourglass/spirit visage or something, and even though it gives mana/hp 1 roa + tear should really be about all you need tbh | ||
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ArcTimes
Peru269 Posts
On May 22 2013 03:41 arb wrote: Once you have blue buff/Cata i really feel you can be pretty active keeping R on and spamming spells without alot of trouble. Personally i've never had a problem stacking tear, and even if you dont make seraphs early you'll still have the mana for more cawcawing while you get whatever other items you need(situational obv) That's what i'm saying, after you get cata a/o blue buff, you can spam your abilities and even toggle your R on so you can get stacks, but if you get the tear first and even without blue buff, you can't stack that as easy. I love activating my ulti in the shop while buying. | ||
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Tooplark
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On September 05 2013 00:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: Have you tried 21/9/0? That's what I normally run on all of my mids. I took a page out of Atrioc's Pantheon guide and I've been running 16/14 on Swain to take full armor/mr in the defense tree along with block so I can heavily trade with AAs. Hpen/AR/MR/MS I'm not sure if this is just a crutch for people who don't understand that Swain AAs just wreck you though (I'm like Silver-Gold MMR) I also have no idea how to itemize mana pool. 2x Dring -> RoA delays the RoA a ton, and straight Catalyst out of Flask feels really underwhelming for being able to push/waveclear against Chalice first spammers. | ||
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nath
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On September 05 2013 03:48 NeoIllusions wrote: Ring/Catalyst into RoA feels half decent. I have mix feelings about Flask on Swain. The fact that you're planning to build Catalyst kinda offsets what you want from Flash. exactly. and thats why on kassadin i do not get flask. swain has such ridiculous sustain after 6 when i kass vs him i can still beat him (not even that hard) but its a forced allin at lvl5 (if i force him out of lane, then get 6, then allin when hes 5) or lvl7/9. i go very risky and only 3/3 on the pots, because i know i can dodge nevermove. and to do the allin i need Q's on him from 3 onwards. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Then again you could just say I'm using a crutch because if I was better I wouldn't need a ward to feel safe to do my thing. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Also, current Swain build for me is Armguard or Cowl, Tear, Zhonya's, SV, Deathcap. I'm thinking about Liandry's as a Deathcap alternative against beefy dudes. Also, now that Torment doesn't amplify Ignite, I feel less guilty about taking Flash Ghost. I'm up in the air on Ghost vs Ignite vs maybe even Barrier. Two escapes is a happy bird. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 27 2013 01:30 Tooplark wrote: Pretty much exactly what you said: a niche pick. He has some really good matchups and some really bad ones; if he gets ahead he can 1v3 but if he gets behind he takes forever to catch up. Also, current Swain build for me is Armguard or Cowl, Tear, Zhonya's, SV, Deathcap. I'm thinking about Liandry's as a Deathcap alternative against beefy dudes. Also, now that Torment doesn't amplify Ignite, I feel less guilty about taking Flash Ghost. I'm up in the air on Ghost vs Ignite vs maybe even Barrier. Two escapes is a happy bird. Personally I really think Rod is still the only real core item on Swain I cant go away from, gives you every stat you need basically. If i even get tear its pretty situational(need to be doing even basically or maybe real ahead if im killing kids) But not going one of the two feels like suicide, going tear leaves you too squishy imo, cant expect to stay alive long without the health from RoA truthfully. | ||
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