Their roles aren't the same in a team fight. Akali can reset off fights while Diana has initiates and allows easier wombo combos. Diana's cd's are also more pronounced so you end up needing to AA for a fair amount of damage. If you're playing Akali the same way you're play Diana, you're going to get rocked where as Diana playing a style as Akali is not nearly going to have the same success as an Akali would.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

June 28 2015 14:35 GMT

#185

Anyone else playing Diana after Runeglaive got introduced? I played her a few times pre 5.12 and she felt rather lackluster but she seems to be at a good place right now. Barring games where the enemy team has an Azir, Diana can stick to the back line, deal respectable AoE, and burst like an assassin on whoever you decide to Lunar Rush.
Hardest part about her right now is determining when to Q so you can follow up with double R or when you really have to R in and E for the pull/slow. If you Q and miss but anticipated it to hit and R in anyways, you really miss out on your dps.

Runes: AS/Flat Armor/APperLevel/Flat AP
Masteries: 21/9/0 with Arcane Blade
Build: Ranger's/Runeglaive, Sorc Boots, NLR, Abyssal, Void, GA. Pretty much finish Runeglaive first because the Sheen proc damage is rather important. Buy NLR whenever you have enough gold, else buy the appropriate resists/pieces throughout the game. Zhonya's obviously very key to not only keep you alive but buy you time for CDs to come back up so you can QW again.

Gahlo

United States35165 Posts

June 28 2015 20:02 GMT

#186

On June 28 2015 23:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
Anyone else playing Diana after Runeglaive got introduced? I played her a few times pre 5.12 and she felt rather lackluster but she seems to be at a good place right now. Barring games where the enemy team has an Azir, Diana can stick to the back line, deal respectable AoE, and burst like an assassin on whoever you decide to Lunar Rush.
Hardest part about her right now is determining when to Q so you can follow up with double R or when you really have to R in and E for the pull/slow. If you Q and miss but anticipated it to hit and R in anyways, you really miss out on your dps.

Runes: AS/Flat Armor/APperLevel/Flat AP
Masteries: 21/9/0 with Arcane Blade
Build: Ranger's/Runeglaive, Sorc Boots, NLR, Abyssal, Void, GA. Pretty much finish Runeglaive first because the Sheen proc damage is rather important. Buy NLR whenever you have enough gold, else buy the appropriate resists/pieces throughout the game. Zhonya's obviously very key to not only keep you alive but buy you time for CDs to come back up so you can QW again.

I haven't actively played her in a game, but I've tried it out in a few custom games and it is money on her. It helps her itemization by giving her the "Lichbane" that she wants while not having to find a slot to fit it in or 3k gold to purchase it with. It doesn't solve her being a "get to 6" jungler unless ganking for heavy CC, but that isn't the purpose. I want to try hybrid pen marks, cdr/lvl glyphs, and AS quints and see how that works out.

RG + passive autos makes for some nice big purple numbers.

GhandiEAGLE

United States20754 Posts

June 29 2015 00:28 GMT

#187

Diana has absurd sustain in the jungle, doesn't even needs health potions after the first clear as long as you mix up your leveling a bit. What I've been doing (I have no idea if this is standard practice or not) is going Gromp Blue Wolves Chickens Red Golems recall, then coming back and doing Gromp again before deciding to gank or to keep farming. I'm usually leveling W-Q-W-Q-E-R and then after 6 going R>Q>W>E. Working pretty well for me so far.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

June 29 2015 00:36 GMT

#188

I also get a second point in W at either 3 or 4, depending on if I gank (3rd point in Moonfall) or farm (3rd point in Pale Cascade). I don't feel like Diana is a "must farm til 6 before gank" kind of champion. CC in lane will always help but even against someone like Gnar, a good E can secure the kill. Main thing to look for is a lane that getting push into your turret so you can flank properly and allow you to hit QEW.

My starting route has been the usual Gromp, Blue, Red, Smite on Red if a lane is pushed and I can gank immediately otherwise don't Smite on Red and use it Rocks instead.

Gahlo

United States35165 Posts

July 12 2015 01:32 GMT

#189

Cheaper NLRs makes building items on Diana feel so liberating. I've been going trailblazer, but I see a lot of people going skirmishers. Thoughts?

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

July 12 2015 05:20 GMT

#190

Too busy on the Kayle train after 5.13 came out but I'll prob give Diana a shot tomorrow.
As for Machete upgrade, I still like Trailblazer because it helps with early jungle clears. Diana hits like a mack truck without Skirmishers.

I used to rush Zhonya's/Abyssal on her but a bigpro friend swear by RoA so I've been giving that a shot. Build feels kinda awkward but I think item builds changed even more with the new AP item costs.

Gahlo

United States35165 Posts

July 12 2015 10:50 GMT

#191

RoA? Really? Seems like it would take forever to hit Zhonya's after that.

entropius

United States1046 Posts

July 13 2015 15:11 GMT

#192

Diana gets a lot of her survivability from her shield. +Health doesn't synergize with shields*, but resists do; I imagine this is why people tend to build items like zhonya's and abyssal on her.

* with shields that scale off of maxhp the obvious exception, like Nautilus and Vi

Ethelis

United States2397 Posts

July 13 2015 22:38 GMT

#193

On July 14 2015 00:11 entropius wrote:
Diana gets a lot of her survivability from her shield. +Health doesn't synergize with shields*, but resists do; I imagine this is why people tend to build items like zhonya's and abyssal on her.

* with shields that scale off of maxhp the obvious exception, like Nautilus and Vi

Definitely this.

It drives me insane when people don't know or don't follow this rule of thumb. I often see people defaulting to hp items when they want to get tanky even if they have a non hp scaling shield...Unless there's a needed effect (or secondary stat) on a particular item or the build-up is 100 times better its just stupid to do so.

Gahlo

United States35165 Posts

July 14 2015 12:09 GMT

#194

It depends, I guess. If somebody is looking for generic durability HP might just be more effective to keep her damage up with than tandem buying Zhonya's + Abyssal. Ideal? No, but sometimes you don't have a choice between what you want to buy and what you need to buy. If I had to buy a health item it'd probably be Rylais, tbh.

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