pretty simple answer to this one, it's too risky, if you don't get the kill you end up with 2k gold sunk into an empty item slot for 60 seconds, not to mention 40% attack speed ONLY for a passive is pretty weak, honestly I still think this is an AD assasin item (if ever) period.

only champion I build it on is Zed.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

February 11 2013 21:54 GMT

#62

I'd buy it if your passive lighting could crit. Would be like, first buy. Imagine getting into a teamfight and suddenly three crit chain lighting procs in a row.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

February 12 2013 01:36 GMT

#63

technically twitch functions this way, and I've only ever seen one guy buy it.

the 0 stats when on cd feels brutal.

Thereisnosaurus

Australia1822 Posts

February 12 2013 02:28 GMT

#64

It's certainly not like a buy and bash item. you're basically getting it to be able to pull off a heavy damage combo on someone, enough to scare them badly enough or get them low enough that they can't risk staying around. This means that you can just rage on through a teamfight, find a carry and more or less guarantee they are out of the fight. normally if you try this on voli you just don't do enough spike damage to really threaten an ADC when you're both at 3 items. once your burst is off, you're basically a big slow kitable doof. But if your burst is doubled and comes out in a split second, you won't have that problem.

Besides, with frenzy you get resets on the thing with stupid frequency.

I think it's pretty situational, but that it has its place. Overall atmas is probably a safer buy for the price if you just want to brawl, but if the enemy team has a bunch of squishies with high damage but low CC like lux/draven/khaz etc, the spike damage might win you a teamfight.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

February 12 2013 03:58 GMT

#65

first draft of the OP should be up tonight, I'm sorry been really busy last couple of days, and playing > guide writing.

Hellburn

Switzerland229 Posts

February 13 2013 16:41 GMT

#66

Against which champion would you recommend using Volibear? And against which champion should he stay away from ?

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

February 13 2013 16:59 GMT

#67

I stay away from Voli lane in like any regard. However, if you really want to take him to top, he does well against sustained damage traders who don't particularly build tanky. I'd say Jax or Xin would be decent matchups for him, maybe Fiora if you play really aggressively and rush DShield + Tabi.

Bursty people like Riven or Darius will ignore your passive and trade hard way before you can stack W or get them low for Bite to be effective. Tanky people like Cho/Olaf can mostly ignore you and have a stronger late game, while shoving harder than you can.

Maybe he'd be effective against ranged characters like Vlad or Elise if you play really aggro and stay in their face. However, as the levels go on, they'll gain ways to kite you and they'll take advantage of you not being able to farm from a range like they can.

Just my thoughts, I honestly haven't played him enough in lane to be an authority on the matter.

Mattacate

59 Posts

February 13 2013 17:03 GMT

#68

Voli demolishes ranged champs. All of them. The only ranged I've ever lost to was a swain, and that was because i was greedy and kept running through nevermove. Level 3 just all in and you snowball your lane very hard.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

February 13 2013 22:48 GMT

#69

according to numerous pro players he's even harder on Vlad than Fiddle but I don't play lane Voli. If you mean in the jungle, he does well against non Ezreal AD teams who don't have Lulu or Zyra. He also does very well vs assassin heavy comps as he is not easy to take down 1v1 due to his passive.

he has retarded trade potential lvl2 and especially level3 due to the interactions between his flip and his minion fear and minion aggro, but as minion damage becomes less and less relavant this advantage also becomes less helpful.

Another strong place to pick lane volibear is vs. no escape tops if you have a good feeling for your jungle, especially on a carry jungle like Vi who needs some help to get the job done it's the ideal lane for a jungle who needs the lane to bring the cc, and if it's a cc oriented jungle then it's just that much more dangerous.

Tula

Austria1544 Posts

February 13 2013 23:59 GMT

#70

he has ideal synergy with a xin jungle. I've been playing xin in jungle pretty much exclusively for 3 weeks now, and a friend of mine mains voli top lane. Unless the enemy has a retarded amount of escape skills or sticks to his turret from level 2 onwards its pretty much guaranteed first blood. Charge, flip and 3 talon strike as a combo kill every single top laner if you can reach him for the flip before he reaches his turret (meaning only a ranged char who is willing to skip quite a few creeps might be safe, so far I haven't met a single one who does that).

Slight downside of this is that your team will have two very tanky bruisers and most likely zero assassins (unless you run one mid, which might not be safe if Xin is focusing on snowballing top). Personally I like such compositions more, but not everyone agrees on that point.

Hellburn

Switzerland229 Posts

February 15 2013 01:42 GMT

#71

I just had a pentakill with voli today. I love you guys

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

February 24 2013 17:35 GMT

#72

The s3 update is complete, I will probly update again when locket/Bulward are nerfed (lol) oh and I have split pen runes now, my initial feeling is that they are really good, but for the next month or so I consider the guide complete.

If anyone is interested in re-writing the lane Voli section for s3, PM me and I'll get it in on the first page.

Semtext

Germany287 Posts

March 21 2013 14:24 GMT

#73

I haven't played Voli on top lane in a while, simply because I feel so strong in then jungle if I don't stumble ofer a few of Shaco's boxes on my way to the red buff...

Could anyone try to explain to me why Voli should be played on top and not in the jungle? I might have been playing badly, but the last times I played the bear on top lane I lost horrendously to a wild array of champions, from Teemo over Nunu to Darius and Elise. And then I just said "Fuck this, I'm jungling."

Phunkapotamus

United States496 Posts

March 25 2013 18:56 GMT

#74

I think that Voli is better in Jungle because he is very predictable in top lane. You're only going to make plays via summoner spells or ganks unless the opponent has no idea how to fight him.

His lane performance is highly dependent on his passive. If you're behind and your passive is down, you can get zoned. If you're ahead and your passive is up, you can zone. He is very match up dependent too.

Jungle Voli doesn't have to worry about the status of his passive or the match ups much. He doesn't care about counterjungling since he's not extremely buff dependent. As long as he gets levels he's fine.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 26 2013 00:31 GMT

#75

been meaning post in this thread that even though Diamond originally agreed with me, (in the sense that he also was) building madreds, however he now like every other EU lcs jungler goes with the requizen build, including (but not always) going with swifts.

Elise is very strong vs. champions who scale well with health, his best matchups top are ones with weak 1-5, as he is very strong at those levels because of a)his ability to force bad creep positioning b)his ability to avoid minion damage with fear, and c)his ult being less than amazing for 1v1 duels.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

March 26 2013 05:40 GMT

#76

I've been building both Madreds and spirit stone. Makes your clear feel like S2 Shyvana.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 17 2014 21:31 GMT

#77

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saddaromma

1129 Posts

March 18 2014 06:21 GMT

#78

Everyone knows voli is beast in melee. But his greatest weakness is pretty easy to exploit in current meta. Cc kite ignore.

OmegaKnetus

Germany431 Posts

March 18 2014 09:11 GMT

#79

If you have someone like Leona on your team voli can deliver the hurt, but otherwise you are really kiteable and wortless.

I'd recommend using flash instead of ghost, so you can actually reach someone. Sticking to them is a non issue with a slow + haste.
Also wouldnt use bork, but only triforce and pure tankyness. Has enough damage and movement speed.
If you really want more damage after trinity I'd rather go wits end than bork.

Also I presonally wouldn't get an early Sunfire Cape after the damage nerfs. Omen gives so much more.
Would only get sunfire if I need extra Armor vs a full ad team or really late into the game

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

March 18 2014 14:31 GMT

#80

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