|
Btw, Lulu is pretty ridiculously strong in 3s. Pretty much my "secret" pick right now, she hasnt really caught on yet.
Speedboost + aoe 80% slow on low cd--> laugh at 90% of common bruiser picks. Stuff like udyr, riven and singed won't even ever touch you. If people do dive you you just shield+R and live anyways while teammates clean up. Generally lower burst (less enemies and more bruiser picks) also means you won't ever die. Being one of the best 1v2s in the game and basically ungankable is also nice for stomping the teams you face at lower elos that dont run jungle.
Not sure how much of it is just people not adapting to Lulu though. People don't seem to realize yet that chasing Lulu is worse than chasing singed. I've had people chase me for hours and then when i dont die call me faggot for playing OP hero. ^.^
|
I'll be editing this in a few hours. Don't hate so much as this is my first guide on anything.
Finished editing it for now
|
so what are some good and bad matchups in lane for lulu? i've completely stomped morde, akali, and olaf; any melee without a gap closer or that relies on stealth seems so easy to zone or push out of lane.
i thought i was destroying a fizz until one moment of carelessness/overconfidence and i was suddenly dead and he starts getting ganks all over the map, but i guess that's just the way fizz works and if i took his burst more seriously i probably shouldn't have died. i suspect the kassadin matchup is similar but worse since his silence can keep you from shielding his damage.
against ryze i think you have to play safer than most because he can snare you if you're in range to E so you either have to use minions to harass or be quicker than him and spend the mana on W to start every trade.
|
On April 17 2012 02:45 chalice wrote:
so what are some good and bad matchups in lane for lulu? i've completely stomped morde, akali, and olaf; any melee without a gap closer or that relies on stealth seems so easy to zone or push out of lane.
i thought i was destroying a fizz until one moment of carelessness/overconfidence and i was suddenly dead and he starts getting ganks all over the map, but i guess that's just the way fizz works and if i took his burst more seriously i probably shouldn't have died. i suspect the kassadin matchup is similar but worse since his silence can keep you from shielding his damage.
against ryze i think you have to play safer than most because he can snare you if you're in range to E so you either have to use minions to harass or be quicker than him and spend the mana on W to start every trade.
Wait akali doesnt have a gap closer ? Which game are you playing again ?
I don't know about the kind of opponents that you play against but akali is not exactly her strongest till she hits 6, and should be played safe with some extra pots against a strong laner like lulu. Once she hits though, its a whole new story. I doubt lulu can keep up with a good akali despite the shield, and its not very hard for akali to bait out the ult.
|
On April 18 2012 02:07 Strykemard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 02:45 chalice wrote:
so what are some good and bad matchups in lane for lulu? i've completely stomped morde, akali, and olaf; any melee without a gap closer or that relies on stealth seems so easy to zone or push out of lane.
i thought i was destroying a fizz until one moment of carelessness/overconfidence and i was suddenly dead and he starts getting ganks all over the map, but i guess that's just the way fizz works and if i took his burst more seriously i probably shouldn't have died. i suspect the kassadin matchup is similar but worse since his silence can keep you from shielding his damage.
against ryze i think you have to play safer than most because he can snare you if you're in range to E so you either have to use minions to harass or be quicker than him and spend the mana on W to start every trade. Wait akali doesnt have a gap closer ? Which game are you playing again ? I don't know about the kind of opponents that you play against but akali is not exactly her strongest till she hits 6, and should be played safe with some extra pots against a strong laner like lulu. Once she hits though, its a whole new story. I doubt lulu can keep up with a good akali despite the shield, and its not very hard for akali to bait out the ult.
Akali doesn't have a true gap closer til 6. Altho she can approach the creep line/opponent relatively easily with good use of her shroud.
|
On April 18 2012 02:07 Strykemard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 02:45 chalice wrote:
so what are some good and bad matchups in lane for lulu? i've completely stomped morde, akali, and olaf; any melee without a gap closer or that relies on stealth seems so easy to zone or push out of lane.
i thought i was destroying a fizz until one moment of carelessness/overconfidence and i was suddenly dead and he starts getting ganks all over the map, but i guess that's just the way fizz works and if i took his burst more seriously i probably shouldn't have died. i suspect the kassadin matchup is similar but worse since his silence can keep you from shielding his damage.
against ryze i think you have to play safer than most because he can snare you if you're in range to E so you either have to use minions to harass or be quicker than him and spend the mana on W to start every trade. Wait akali doesnt have a gap closer ? Which game are you playing again ? I don't know about the kind of opponents that you play against but akali is not exactly her strongest till she hits 6, and should be played safe with some extra pots against a strong laner like lulu. Once she hits though, its a whole new story. I doubt lulu can keep up with a good akali despite the shield, and its not very hard for akali to bait out the ult.
in english, the words "or" and "and" actually have two different meanings, lulu's advantage against akali is that hitting her with E means that her shroud is pretty much useless.
|
Don't tell anyone, but AD Lulu is OP. Not joking.
|
Any Lulu is op Lulu
WHICH IS GOOD
|
On April 18 2012 20:28 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Don't tell anyone, but AD Lulu is OP. Not joking.
I've been supporting as AD Lulu ever since I got hold of her. She's a bit gold hungry early game since I don't have the gp5 masteries, but I can more than make up for that by farming lanes/jungle whenever no one else is there to farm them. Early Zeke makes you and your carry a beast in lane and if you rush it, you have tons of time to utilize it. I don't need mana to harrass and my sustain is so much better with a couple of VSs. I realize it probably wouldn't be a viable build in high elo games due to the lack of most of the aura items, but 1v1-ing Vayne without a turret as support is probably the most fun this game provides you. :D
|
I was talking more of a conventional AD route with IE, but sure, whatever works for you...
|
On April 19 2012 04:51 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I was talking more of a conventional AD route with IE, but sure, whatever works for you...
Teemo is still strictly better at doing this shit.
|
Teemo is strictly worse because he doesn't have all the bullshit Lulu brings on top of the silly top lane pseudo ad thing.
Like the main problem with teemo top is once teamfights start he can't do shit to protect carries like most bruisers, but lulu might be the best in the game at that.
|
Wait wait, are you all playing AP or AD/Bruiser top?
|
On April 19 2012 04:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Teemo is strictly worse because he doesn't have all the bullshit Lulu brings on top of the silly top lane pseudo ad thing.
Like the main problem with teemo top is once teamfights start he can't do shit to protect carries like most bruisers, but lulu might be the best in the game at that.
Lulu doesn't do what Teemo does top lane. Everyone seems convinced that she does, but it's just bullshit. She runs herself out of mana doing less than Teemo does without even using 1 MP. Persistent MS buff and getting your free damage regardless of creeps being in the way is fucking huge. Then you take a look at scaling and notice that Teemo's base stat scaling is way better than Lulu's and you'll find yourself wondering why the fuck you picked Lulu when you really wanted Teemo.
I've tried it. You don't have to believe me, but I'm not talking from a theorycraft perspective when I say that Teemo plays the ranged carry top role much better than Lulu.
Also, people seem to forget how strong mushrooms are. I get that lulu has better utility in a conventional teamfight, but why are you conventionally teamfighting with Teemo when he's insane 1v1 and can split push like a boss.
|
I'm so confused by this thread. I usually go Support bot which does a pretty good job. I can't see her being an AP Carry or a jungler, tbh.
I'm pretty new thoguh, so meh. I manage to keep up with my level 30 m8s just fine, though.
|
Lulu does not run herself out of mana. Her mana efficiency for damage is so absurd I can't believe you said that (while clearly not as absurd as Teemo's autoattack efficiency). That's one of the reasons she's such an obnoxious mid and support in general. Teemo obviously does it with pure autoattacks, but Lulu is similarly impossible to engage upon while free harassing all day, and she's a better lane pusher at that.
The point is, Lulu still beats melee bruisers top the same way Teemo does(even if not as thoroughly), and afterwards she DOES bring a lot more to the team. Teemo's splitpushing doesn't compare because it's much more difficult to create a team that can hold up the other team 4v5 without committing to a real teamfight than one that can just plain teamfight. At the very least Lulu is much more versatile.
|
I've been seeing AP Mid Lulu in a lot of my games at relatively high elo.
Generally builds goes: Boots->Doran->WotA->Deathcap(or Rylai if you need survivability). It's been quite terrify to be honest.
She can push her lanes hard and due to her high mobility she has really insane gank & invade potential.
|
On April 19 2012 14:00 xoFlower wrote:
I've been seeing AP Mid Lulu in a lot of my games at 2.1k+ Elo.
Generally builds goes: Boots->Doran->WotA->Deathcap(or Rylai if you need survivability). It's been quite terrify to be honest.
She can push her lanes hard and due to her high mobility she has really insane gank & invade potential.
Yeah, but lategame its really... subpar.
|
On April 21 2012 02:12 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:00 xoFlower wrote:
I've been seeing AP Mid Lulu in a lot of my games at 2.1k+ Elo.
Generally builds goes: Boots->Doran->WotA->Deathcap(or Rylai if you need survivability). It's been quite terrify to be honest.
She can push her lanes hard and due to her high mobility she has really insane gank & invade potential. Yeah, but lategame its really... subpar.
I agree, but trolloqueue is winning early 4/5 games. Particularly for my elo bracket.
|
If you are going Lulu mid, u need your top/jungler to do alot of damage (ie vlad top/shyv jungle). her main role to me seems more on the side of keeping her allies alive while providing a lot of cc. You can think of her as a support version of Morgana
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
