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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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Twinmold
Sweden238 Posts
On December 07 2012 23:41 Dark_Chill wrote: For some reason I'm iffy on getting sightstone. As Leona, don't you want to get as much defenses as possible so that you can press your early game power? Getting sightstone, while I can see how it works out well (you need wards, and you won't have to spend as much gold) but wouldn't getting say kindlegem early be a bit more useful? It depends. For the most part you lose trades not because you die but because your AD carry does. If you're far behind you'll want to get defensive stats ASAP though so that you're not worthless. Health regen is also really good on Leona for laning if you're getting poked. Sightstone seems more like something you'd get when you're ahead in lane but for some reason can't press that advantage (I.E. Nocturne or Twisted Fate on opposing team). | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On December 07 2012 07:26 Twinmold wrote: And why sunfire cape as a luxury? For the most part you're going to want to stay out of the fight once your cooldowns are down. Yes during the mid-game you'll want to back out and wait for your cool downs but I figured since you'll be so tanky late game having sunfire cape as a luxury item will let you be even tankier while forcing some aggro onto yourself. Isn't that the point of a tank late game? Be in the fight and soak up damage? What luxury item would you recommend when gold isn't an issue? Trinity Force? | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On December 07 2012 07:26 Twinmold wrote: In my experience you want to start with more than two wards as Leona though. Due to her aggressive nature she has a tendency to get ganked alot. As of the patch I've been going rejuvenation bead + 3 wards -> emblem of valor (the regen + armor is nice in lane) Is the 3rd ward necessary enough to start Rejuv Bead instead of Cloth Armor? I was under the assumption that Cloth Armor would be much better for winning trades. Unless you can't force the enemy out of lane before you use up all your pots/wards but how often does that happen? In my limited experience diving them twice in lane was all we needed to net a kill pre 6. | ||
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Twinmold
Sweden238 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:34 Ghost-z wrote: Yes during the mid-game you'll want to back out and wait for your cool downs but I figured since you'll be so tanky late game having sunfire cape as a luxury item will let you be even tankier while forcing some aggro onto yourself. Isn't that the point of a tank late game? Be in the fight and soak up damage? What luxury item would you recommend when gold isn't an issue? Trinity Force? We're talking about support Leona right? My endgame build (you'll pretty much never get to his point though) pre patch was something like Shurelyas, Aegis, Mercs, Randuins/Frozen Heart, Randuins/Frozen Heart/Abyssal. Leona is very cooldown dependant and it's much better to spend your downtime on repositioning yourself rather than dealing a measly 25 DPS (after reductions). It's not like you're going to use the effect to splitpush / farm. Trinity Force is a bad item on Leona because the nature of her kit means you'll most often stack the Sheen procs (in addition to the stats being pretty much worthless for her). On December 08 2012 00:44 Ghost-z wrote: Is the 3rd ward necessary enough to start Rejuv Bead instead of Cloth Armor? I was under the assumption that Cloth Armor would be much better for winning trades. Unless you can't force the enemy out of lane before you use up all your pots/wards but how often does that happen? In my limited experience diving them twice in lane was all we needed to net a kill pre 6. Without good ward coverage and a fair amount of pots it's very risky for you to actually play that aggressive, cloth armor is a much riskier opener for very little gain. And like I said earlier: If you lose trades it's usually because your AD carry died, not because you died. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
What about tier 2 boots? CDR vs Armor vs Tenacity vs Mobility She already gets a lot of armor/mr from her items and W so I usually get CDR boots or Mercs if they have AoE CC. Are cool down reduction boots a good choice? Some people have said that Mobility boots would be better to press your advantage. Are mercs required if you don't get the tenacity mastery in the defensive tree? I've been getting reduced champion damage and block masteries but in keeping with the same logic of Rejuv Bead vs Coth Armor perhaps the tenacity bonuses are the better option. | ||
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Twinmold
Sweden238 Posts
On December 08 2012 01:55 Ghost-z wrote: Yes support Leona. You make really good points about cloth vs rejuv bead. Considering that if they focus you in lane you've already done your job. Also rejuv bead and extra wards allows you to stay in lane longer and leona scales very well with levels. What about tier 2 boots? CDR vs Armor vs Tenacity vs Mobility She already gets a lot of armor/mr from her items and W so I usually get CDR boots or Mercs if they have AoE CC. Are cool down reduction boots a good choice? Some people have said that Mobility boots would be better to press your advantage. Are mercs required if you don't get the tenacity mastery in the defensive tree? I've been getting reduced champion damage and block masteries but in keeping with the same logic of Rejuv Bead vs Coth Armor perhaps the tenacity bonuses are the better option. Depends on the opponents lineup and how the game is going. Tabi are the best for lane, Mob boots are great if you're snowballing (allows you to pressure the whole map), Mercs if they have alot of magic damage / CC. I didn't really like CDR boots on her pre patch as you would reach the CDR cap with just Shurelyas, Frozen Heart, Randuins. Haven't really tried them this patch though. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Tabi or Mercs if you're behind. It's also situational to rush Tabi early if you barely eek out a good trade against a bot lane where it's skill based. Tabi will more often than not help you more than any other buy in lane. The MS to land your combo more and additional AD reduction that you take. Edit: but like Twinmold said, if you plan on spec'ing a lot of CDR with your items (Shurelia's + FH), then CDR boots is not as necessary. But with S3, I think there are a ton of great support item buys that no longer spec in CDR, so the boots are valuable again. FH used to be a major buy for me when I Leona last patch but I can't see it as common now. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On December 08 2012 02:35 Twinmold wrote: Depends on the opponents lineup and how the game is going. Tabi are the best for lane, Mob boots are great if you're snowballing (allows you to pressure the whole map), Mercs if they have alot of magic damage / CC. I didn't really like CDR boots on her pre patch as you would reach the CDR cap with just Shurelyas, Frozen Heart, Randuins. Haven't really tried them this patch though. Shurelya's and Locket (this item got buffed) grant you a total of 20% cdr in the new patch (shurelya's nerfed to only 10% cdr). I would never get both Frozen Heart and Randuins on the same champion but that's just me. In the case of Randuins > Frozen Heart getting CDR boots would stack me to 40%. I prefer Randuins because of the HP/Armor synergy and its easy to activate the debuff when you're jumping into the middle of the fights anyway. I don't feel ninja tabi are needed in lane because I usually buy the HP and Armor for my core items before I ever upgrade my boots. I prefer CDR for team fights but I will consider Mobility boots when we are the first lane to take a tower since I will want to be roaming at that point. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
CDR boots much stronger given that Zeke's is no longer a no brainer 2nd/3rd item. Rushing new Aegis is strong, along with the CDR boots you can force a lot of midgame fights (also Valor is really strong in lane) Did the new Locket of Leona get a change? It felt really lackluster before because it scales with your levels and you're always underleved as a support. Tbh I'd rather pick up one of the Kage's build for more teamfight utility than a locket. Edit: Same active but the stats on Locket 2.0 are crazy wtf | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
Cost: 2000 (670) +425 Health +35 Armor +10% Cooldown Reduction +10 Health Regen per 5 UNIQUE Active: Shield yourself and nearby allied champions for 5 seconds, absorbing up to 50 + 10 per level damage - 60 second cooldown. I think its the perfect item for leona now based on those base stats for only 2k gold. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
What major items are you building first on support Leona? Aegis? Locket? Shurelyas? Other? | ||
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
This champ's a beast; only decision now is, Valkyrie vs Iron Solari... | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
I've been taking ignite to try and get kills for the ad's that try and cheese you with cleanse. Letting the ad get away with 300 hp is much worse then whatever damage comes out from the target you won't be exhausting. It also stops them from double dipping, clearing your exhaust and your stun. Leona to counter all the supports, janna to counter leona. Haven't needed any other supports. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35164 Posts
On January 21 2013 16:38 Eishi_Ki wrote: So I love Taric as a support and decided I was going to get more into the role (the number of bad supports on KR is disheartening). Purchased Leona and omg, first game we were a 4v5 from the get go. However, my Graves was damn good and I managed to get him heaps fed, then roamed mid a couple times and got Talon 2 kills.Won the game with some ridiculous support score and got a fair amount of praise. Thanks a ton to the advice in this guide heh This champ's a beast; only decision now is, Valkyrie vs Iron Solari... Iron Solari, no contest. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Seeing neo's post on boots makes me change my mind on constant CDR boots though. Also, is starting philo into locket a bad idea? should i just be building into straight locket from the getgo with a flask start or is the gp5 worth it. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
I like beads -> sightstone -> locket because sighstone is effective GP10 in the sense that you don't have to drop 150g all the time to get wards and so you have more spare change to stock up for real items. Philo's mana regen doesn't really help you in lane and getting HP is pretty important to all in more and trade hard. | ||
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