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On August 16 2013 07:49 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 07:36 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Well, I think you should be buying tear on Kassadin, but you should also be going NLR immediately after.
Also you're being unreasonable obese, 2 dorans rings is clearly the best way to time your items with your power curve throughout the game. Your "why dont u buy 5 l0l" logic is dumb because we're not comparing strengths at level 9 and using that as our comparison for why a build is best, we're thinking about the game as a whole and trying to maximize efficiency and strength for the most amount of points on the timeline.
The reason you get Abyssal is because of the MR reduction aura synergy with both pool and ult. It gives you more AP and more MR and it has a ridiculous aura attached to it. You're really going to pay more for the mana regeneration and CDR when Morgana's main goal is to land ONE good ult? How many more skills will that extra CDR help you fire off in a fight? MAYBE one?
When I initiate as Morgana we usually end up crushing the entire team before I even have cooldowns up again. I wouldn't sacrifice this burst power to be able to hit more buttons. I was showing an extreme counterexample as to why sell costs are not ever irrelevant. Selling 2 dorans is almost the equivalent of buying a SotSW(2k gold item) and selling it in terms of late game power. Or having 2 GP10s for 10 minutes. I never said anything about CDR, just that you have the option to skip grail and get Chalice if you just need the mana early on to stay in lane but not Doran's kill potential.
It's 800 gold to solve all of your mana and health problems and give you a noticable boost to killing power that you can sell at 30 minutes if you absolutely have to. I end most of my games without selling them.
Like why would you want the strictly worse choice? It's more gold for stats that don't even boost your early game because you already have black shield.
I mean build it if you want to but it's just strictly worse in my opinion, and I play a LOT of morgana.
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Morgana vs Veigar, completely trashed the whole team with playmaking
This is a good example of how to take advantage of your power curve and basic Morgana tricks
I realize they are bad, this is like Plat 4 to Gold 2 level. Their jungler was ganking a lot but I black shielded every single gank so I'm sure I could be punished harder by better players. Still, here's how you snowball games as Morgana when you get opponents who don't know matchups.
http://snk.to/f-cdn82ck7
Let me know if there's a better way to upload these files, I'm out of the filesharing loop.
[edit] Dammit I don't know if the replay is corrupted or I have a bad version of lolreplay or what but it keeps bugsplatting for me, does anyone know how to fix it? [/edit]
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Sad that you cannot get the replay to work :S I assume you were roaming for control after neglecting so much advantage for veigar and his team during lane?
What were your exact build order? Might open up some insight for people 
I might try and get a morgana game in ranked during the next week, so you guys can see how it works against the better people, just need to find the time :p
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Uh, does Liandry's do that much on Morgana? I'd expect Void Staff to fare better.
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Liandry's + Rylais for the pool harass when sieging towers, I'm not really worried about the burst damage because if I catch them they die no matter what
But I think I went something like Dorans -> Blasting Wand + Negatron -> Abyssal -> NLR -> Sorc -> Zhonyas -> Gbelt -> Rylais -> Liandry's
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For some reason i cannot upload my replays either. Kinda sucks lol.
I tried going abit like your build ZERG, i never got the chance to finish liandry or rylai before we won.
Build path was dorans+2 pots -> dorans+sorc -> abyssal -> zhonya -> guise
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On August 17 2013 10:42 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Liandry's + Rylais for the pool harass when sieging towers, I'm not really worried about the burst damage because if I catch them they die no matter what
But I think I went something like Dorans -> Blasting Wand + Negatron -> Abyssal -> NLR -> Sorc -> Zhonyas -> Gbelt -> Rylais -> Liandry's
Yeah, the build seems pretty straightforward. Liandrys and Rylais are easily changed up as well (be it guise>rylais>liandrys, rylais>liandrys, gbelt>liandrys>rylais, etc). Since you already have tons of flat pen to make the liandrys, which is already great on morg since she's mostly persistent dot damage from pool, even better, and no one in that game had near enough magic resist to make a void staff's pen that useful, liandrys is very probably more damage than void staff. Abyssal + Pool + %Mastery + Runes + Sorc + Liandrys was obviously more than enough to take down that teams mr to nothing anyway.
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I think the opponents I play against are just really bad (just started playing ranked again, climbing out of plat 5 as we speak) and I usually end games right around when I finish Abyssal + Zhonya's because with 9/0/21 you have ult cooldowns so fast that you can fight two fights before having to base with a blue buff to regen mana and your passive to heal. Either that or we're really far behind at that point or too far ahead to care what I build.
Also I really like 9/0/21 because biscuit is so OP wtf
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Thank you, 5hat, for inspiring me to try to play morg, my first love in LoL, again.
How do you use your ult in teamfights before zhonya's? Just go in with shield?
Now, if only I can get my computer fixed...
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You put on your shield move into them and time your zonyas for it to come out when the stun lands. Gotta man up.
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I usually lead with bind on a high-percentage group or high-priority target (practice binds because it's bread and butter) then either alt+e flash ult or walk in with alt+e and ult with flash to stick on targets.
It's a fluid analysis of who you want to bind because a perfect Morgana ult is as rare as it is beautiful. Sometimes I choose to lock down more people, sometimes I choose to lock down high-priority targets. It really just depends on what I think is more important for the fight or game as a whole.
After or right before your ult goes off, drop pool on someplace that will do damage + reduce MR + spellvamp the most for you (or kill the guy you want to kill) then throw another bind at someone.
Zhonya's only if they collapse on you, if you're afraid you'll die before ult goes off, or if you're making a huge dive play where you need it. The cooldown is pretty low (lower than ult cd i think) so you should have it up basically whenever you need it.
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What do you get in utility?
Flash mastery - mp5
summoners CDR
buff duration - spellvamp - biscuit
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CDR
MS
Where do you put the 5 remaining points? I tend to put them in exp but Morgana isn't the kind of champ who can all-in as soon as she hit 6 like Xerath, LB or Ahri can.
Additional starting gold? Item mastery?
Nvm. you said it there.
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On August 16 2013 07:36 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Well, I think you should be buying tear on Kassadin, but you should also be going NLR immediately after.
Also you're being unreasonable obese, 2 dorans rings is clearly the best way to time your items with your power curve throughout the game.
I'm sorry, but after reading this thread I can't let you get away with this without some hearty laughter.
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Man, I forgot how much fun morgana could be in games.
Even when I'm losing, I have fun.
If I can learn how to roam, then I would be able to carry games, I feel.
You're right, 5hat. This abyssal scepter rush feels really strong. Even got a solo kill against a fizz with ult today cuz I had a negatron cloak.
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Ran into some trouble vs Malzahar today (as in, he killed me once in lane and outcs'd me) but going double dorans -> Negatron -> Abyssal -> Zhonyas -> Banshee's Veil instead of going for more damage or utility put me right back in there. Malzahar is a bitch in lane though, he clears better than you do and can farm wraiths a lot faster plus has basically a single target instant version of your ult, which is better for 1v1.
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Got my first ranked Morgana pentakill~
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