EPTif Katarina uses Shunpo, immediately use R; Katarina then has to Flash out because Kat's R cannot kill Morgana with shield and if she doesn't break the tether, Morg's Q + W after stun will surely kill Kat.
[Champion] Morgana - Page 2
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
if Katarina uses Shunpo, immediately use R; Katarina then has to Flash out because Kat's R cannot kill Morgana with shield and if she doesn't break the tether, Morg's Q + W after stun will surely kill Kat. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Elefes
Russian Federation164 Posts
A bit of a tip: if you don't want your opponent to cry MIA/ss every time you leave lane, just make sure to push lane and farm Wraiths from time to time (you can start at lvl3, depending on jungler's actions; usually at 5). At some point, he will get used to it and delay alerts. If you do this consistantly, you will have 'free' 15-20 seconds when you will actually go for a gank. If you use flat mana reg runes, that may not work (prefer mreg/lvl...) Regarding question about Unholy Grail: IMO, it's great item on morgana! Mana regen is a just a decent bonus, nothing more, what really is important is CDR. 40% CDR (with blue) is HUGE dps and survivability boost for you. Besides, what the *** am I supposed to buy If I hate ROA and go [boots hourglass cap void] lol. Except for 'situational' counter-items, obviously. Regarding Morg vs Kat, I am a firm believer that no ***** matter what you do she will dominate you mid/lategame in a hardcore fashion :D You counter her by farming better, avoiding engagements and ganking. ps edit: alarm --> alert still not sure what's the correct word xD | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
1. Harass her out of lane. 2. Push the lane faster than her soil. If you can accomplish at least one of these things against the enemy Morgana, you have a good shot at winning the lane and possibly killing her when she gets too greedy for CS. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/15975.png) Clear a wave, get out of vision by moving straight back and then move behind one of these pillars. Once the next wave comes, if the other person realizes you're gone and tries to push the wave into your tower, you can hit a binding, pool, shield yourself on the way in and just walk right up ulti and ignite for an easy kill. It's especially potent against the melee mids (katarina/fizz) You can also do this with the pillar by their tower but you have to have the side warded to save yourself against jungler intervention. If you've been routinely taking wraiths (yours by walking around and pooling, their big one by bind + pooling), mia's aren't particularly interesting for the enemy mid and most of the time they get lazy/complacent allowing for an easy catch/kill. | ||
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Elefes
Russian Federation164 Posts
Lmui nice one Ryuu314 I dislike Abyssal. Grail costs more but it's WAY better. Even after buff, ppl underappeciate dat grail, that's sad. Agree on Void, I skip it very often, unless they have annoying offtanks or mres items on everyone). | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 30 2012 22:27 Elefes wrote: jpak , that's why we don't open with D ring anymore. Boots + 3 pots, eventually blue to spam QW. I don't see how this is relevant? Also, pushing faster than her has always been possible (and, frankly, easy). Morgana is not a good pusher, she is a safe pusher because of her range. But she takes friggin' 5 whole seconds to clear a wave, an awful lot of champions fuck her up by clearing as fast or faster than her, and while Malz, Gragas, etc. can still instaclear the wave if you push faster than them, Morg is very binary: either she can, or she can't at all, because she needs the wave to stay immobile and if you take that from her she loses most if not all of her pushing power. She's really not that much when it comes to pushing/being impossible to push. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On July 30 2012 22:32 Alaric wrote: I don't see how this is relevant? Also, pushing faster than her has always been possible (and, frankly, easy). Morgana is not a good pusher, she is a safe pusher because of her range. But she takes friggin' 5 whole seconds to clear a wave, an awful lot of champions fuck her up by clearing as fast or faster than her, and while Malz, Gragas, etc. can still instaclear the wave if you push faster than them, Morg is very binary: either she can, or she can't at all, because she needs the wave to stay immobile and if you take that from her she loses most if not all of her pushing power. She's really not that much when it comes to pushing/being impossible to push. She has decent wave clearing, certainly not bad AND she can clear wraith camp really easily. Adding to that black shield makes her a hard mid to actually straight up beat in lane by more then 20-30 creeps, and hard to kill at that. The wave doesn't have to stay immobile to farm properly with morg, just needs some proper w management and situation awareness. Because of her passive spellvamp she can also do wraith/wolves while other mid farms the wave mid, then tank & w the wave while other mid does his jungle camp. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:19 Sponkz wrote: Gragas spends roughly the same amount of time clearing a wave as morgana imo. In later lvls morganas W only needs 1-2 sec to clear a whole wave while gragas surely has to Q between ranged and melee creeps to instant-kill ranged minions then finish up melee creeps with E. which can be done almost at the same time, which is far faster than morgana | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:19 Schwopzi wrote: She has decent wave clearing, certainly not bad AND she can clear wraith camp really easily. Adding to that black shield makes her a hard mid to actually straight up beat in lane by more then 20-30 creeps, and hard to kill at that. The wave doesn't have to stay immobile to farm properly with morg, just needs some proper w management and situation awareness. Because of her passive spellvamp she can also do wraith/wolves while other mid farms the wave mid, then tank & w the wave while other mid does his jungle camp. I agreed in that she's safe (as long as her opponent doesn't push faster than her, allowing her to W and fall back) but clearing wraiths reliably and safely isn't something that is unique to her, and about tanking the creep wave in case the opponent pushes faster than her, then he can go gank while she tanks, instead of taking his wraiths from his jungler, or he can simply harass her—she won't last long eating all that free damage. I don't see how Malzahar, Ahri, Sion, Mordekaiser and others can't do the same in terms of clearing speed and farming wraiths, for example, and I'm passing on a bunch of champs in the same situation. | ||
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Elefes
Russian Federation164 Posts
On July 30 2012 22:32 Alaric wrote: I don't see how this is relevant? Also, pushing faster than her has always been possible (and, frankly, easy). Morgana is not a good pusher, she is a safe pusher because of her range. But she takes friggin' 5 whole seconds to clear a wave, an awful lot of champions fuck her up by clearing as fast or faster than her, and while Malz, Gragas, etc. can still instaclear the wave if you push faster than them, Morg is very binary: either she can, or she can't at all, because she needs the wave to stay immobile and if you take that from her she loses most if not all of her pushing power. She's really not that much when it comes to pushing/being impossible to push. What I mean is by lvl 6 we lose lots of hp and now that there's 5% less spell vamp at lvl6, it's harder to spam QW to regain hp. So it's safer to get potions and preserve mana, which allows opponents to push lane much easier and you may end up losing some cs. It's very hard, though, to push lane as hard as you say. Morg is ranged and every time you try to do smth to her you risk getting QW-ed. It's also easy to aggro minions and strafe left-right to not let them go straight to tower. Farming under tower is ok too, hit, 2 tower hits, last hit. If you have blue, no matter what, lane can't be pushed ever unless you want it to be. I just played lots of games and I saw infinite amount of weird risky attempts to get a kill/prevent me from farming, and opponents usually end up losing as much hp as I do, but AFTER me. They also risk getting ganked. I don't want want to argue, I mean, your points are correct! It's just that it sounds easy on paper and is much harded in reality. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I also started consolidating this opinion after Viktor came out, since I noticed that his E, as a line skillshot, allows him to one shot the creep wave before they form a circle (augment:death and a doran is pretty much enough AP w/ runes) at the cost of extending a bit. If you do this then go gank, Morg will have to choose between following you or tanking the creep wave. Twisted Fate and Janna can do the same. I've had trouble against Karthus and Swain sitting in the wave and using their AoE too, as they'll clear faster and threaten me if I go near (Swain a lot less so, as he has to use his W for this and is quite short-ranged; it may as well have been me being rusty at Morg). I think Orianna can do it with blue too (QW with a bit of AP clears very well, but uses a lot more mana in the long run than Morg's W). I agree that it won't stop her from farming, tho, it'll only set the players even by preventing Morg from freefarming or following you on a gank/invade without losing some farm, but she'll still be able to farm all the same as Ryze or any other of this kind if she wants to. Regarding DRing, I don't know, I've stopped using it as a starting item as soon as my runes allowed me to have enough AP to one shot the wave by level 5. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:38 arb wrote: which can be done almost at the same time, which is far faster than morgana You're forgetting that when gragas has to do so, morg can just tank the creep wave and W and then dance with gragas untill the next wave comes, because gragas won't be able to punish her in any way. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 31 2012 01:24 Sponkz wrote: You're forgetting that when gragas has to do so, morg can just tank the creep wave and W and then dance with gragas untill the next wave comes, because gragas won't be able to punish her in any way. Indeed, when Gragas has both his Q and E on cooldown, if he throws out a barrel, shield and run away - he has no followup to his ulti. Even if that ult blasts far more damage than your shield, just preventing the knockback is enough that you won't be in a bad situation at all. Alternatively, if you're sure theres no jungler around, let him knock you into him, RWQ, blow him up because his mobility is on CD. When he dosen't E the melee creeps, you should be able to just puddle the creeps without tanking them. | ||
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spacemonkey4eve
United States267 Posts
Even with the shield nerf she is certainly one of the top picks for mid AP. I have played her a lot more lately, and I've made a few notable changes in her build, most notably skipping RoA for 2x DRing --> zhonya --> Dcap. Game usually ends by this point, but I guess if prolonged you could go abyssal/void (if they stack MR)/WotA, but I can't remember a single time the game took that long. I think this has become THE standard build for Morg now, as Morg doesn't need extra mana pool from RoA. EDIT: Second: I always go 21/0/9 now. Third, as pointed out by others, it's so easy to outfarm your opponent by pushing wave to their tower and taking wraiths every time. It's also good practice to push the wave to their tower every time opponent backs to shop/heal and gank side lanes. Even against certain champs that "counter" Morg, it's really hard to deny farm on Morg due to her great wave clear. Fourth, I've also gotten some great tips from watching froggen's stream (basically Lmui's post) to get surprise q binds for unleashing your combo. It's very effective. Basically, a summary of all the posts here lol. I guess there's not much to playing Morg since she's an easy champ to play, and very effective if you learn how to position your ult and q bind properly. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
Smite/flash (obvious reasons) Hybrid reds/armor yellows/cdr blues/ap quints (hybrids since you auto stuff in the jungle and cdr blues since little need for mr) I go 9/9/12 but other specs work fine Build: machete5->spirit stone->armguard->sorcs->zhonyas->wraith stone->abyssal/aegis/locket->insertsituationalitem Zhonyas rush is strong, vamp stone gives a lot of sustain and clearing speed (dem smite heals) Focus on ganking, pre-6 a bind will usually net a kill, post-6 ult will net a kill Skill order is wqwe->r/w/q/e (smart level q first in invasion scenarios) Maxing w offers a very fast clear, when big monsters have max mr debuff, q them and move out of their range. Mana does become an issue, so don't spam bind in the jungle every time it comes off cd. I play heavily supportily, so I give laners kills (avg jungle morg stats are 3/3/10) Feedback is appreciated | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Anyway yeah, so what I do lately is: Flat AP/Mpen/(Armor or scaling hp)/MR 9/0/21 with mp5/summoner cdr/cdr/exp/2 points spellvamp/biscuit/pickpocket (lol) Ignite/Flash or sometimes (rarely) TP or barrier + flash Walk into the lane like whatup i got a dring (+ 2 pots + biscuit) WQWEWR R>W>Q>E If I'm invading at level 1 I take Q because I'm the god of bind (it has the same projectile speed as Bandage Toss so if you train on Amumu you are automatically a good Morgana) Usually go something like 2 Dring -> either Zhonya's or Abyssal If you're up against a strong caster, Abyssal first, if they're heavy on AD or you think you'll need Zhonya's first do that Get the other one next and sorc boots when you can do it smoothly Rylais or FH afterwards, usually Rylais unless they have a vayne + aatrox or something Basically unless they have insane gankers like Xin/Voli/Lee you can just push the wave all day and not be afraid of getting punished if your flash and Q are up (don't burn Q unless you're sure it's safe cuz that shit will hurt you when ganks come) Last hit well and farm your items, try to help out with wards too but don't delay your core of Abyssal/Zhonya's Morgana is kinda like an AP Pantheon except instead of crushing your lane opponent when they mess up you crush their entire team when they mess up GL and don't be afraid to get aggro on their asses at levels 2 and 3 | ||
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Sermokala
United States13906 Posts
Would love to pull out the best skin in the game again. | ||
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