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On April 18 2012 08:34 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:
I noticed Viktor is free... should I give it a go at him? I heard he is quite UP... Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 07:40 Sufficiency wrote:On April 18 2012 06:58 De4ngus wrote:
hes UP if you dont like big dmg ???? Orthodox AP carries such as Ahri, Annie, Brand, Cass, Ryze, amd Xerath do "big damage" too. Why should I choose Viktor over them? love posts like this literally the entire topic has been a discussion about viktor and his viability you come in and say "should i play him? heard he's bad" adding nothing of value to the topic, while re-treading literally the entire conversation thusfar, instead of just playing him one game and deciding if you like him thanks for the contribution
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On April 18 2012 17:59 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 08:34 gtrsrs wrote:On April 18 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:
I noticed Viktor is free... should I give it a go at him? I heard he is quite UP... On April 18 2012 07:40 Sufficiency wrote:On April 18 2012 06:58 De4ngus wrote:
hes UP if you dont like big dmg ???? Orthodox AP carries such as Ahri, Annie, Brand, Cass, Ryze, amd Xerath do "big damage" too. Why should I choose Viktor over them? love posts like this literally the entire topic has been a discussion about viktor and his viability you come in and say "should i play him? heard he's bad" adding nothing of value to the topic, while re-treading literally the entire conversation thusfar, instead of just playing him one game and deciding if you like him thanks for the contribution anywho, looking at the numbers, why does everyone complain about a 'wasted item slot' on viktor? 100 AP for 1000 gold is nothing to scoff at seeing as NLR is 80 for 1600... not to mention it basically gives deathcap passive on one of his skills. seems pretty solid. i'm guessing they'll be undoing some of his recent buffs soon imo. e: and by soon i mean in like 5 patches because that's how lol works You can read up on the item slot efficiency of the various augments. They are good midgame its just when lategame comes around being almost exactly gold efficient doesnt really cut it when you have to sacrifice ROA/Zhonyas/Rylais etc for it. I dont think its that big a deal, but its a bit of a bummer. There have been several analyses of their cost and slot efficiency, and they are pretty poor excepting Death, which is decent.
After playing as Viktor for a few games, it feels to me that the fact that he can only choose ONCE is a severe handicap. It would be nice if he could change his mind for, say, 2k gold... I think his Innate does affect his late game a lot. That, and the lack of good stuns (W range too short unless you use the upgrade.. then you get no godly E).
To be honest, it feels to me that Viktor is kind of like Annie+Veigar. Maybe this is the wrong comparison, I don't know, but Viktor's Q is kind of like Annie/Veigar Q, Viktor's E is kind of like Annie's W, Viktor's W is kind of like Veigar's E, and Viktor's R is kind of like Annie's R.
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I didn't notice how close Annie and Vik's ult were, damage-wise... But his E has nothing to do with her W : it's a line rather than a cone, and with a huge range at that. You don't bushcheck nor kill somebody from behind a wall with Annie's W.
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On April 18 2012 19:17 Alaric wrote:
I didn't notice how close Annie and Vik's ult were, damage-wise... But his E has nothing to do with her W : it's a line rather than a cone, and with a huge range at that. You don't bushcheck nor kill somebody from behind a wall with Annie's W.
The shape of the AOE is different, but the general purpose is the same, in my opinion (beside Annie's Innate and Viktor's Item). It's just that Viktor's E can be directed in any directions (and goes further), thus more versatile, but Annie's W comes out faster. In terms of their utilities it's pretty much the same... aoe damage in a skillshot.
It's similar to saying how Lux and Morgana are "the same" and how Caitlyn and Ashe are "the same". These pairs are not 100% similar to each other (that would be embarrassing for Riot), but similar enough to be able to draw analogies.
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On April 18 2012 18:59 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 08:34 gtrsrs wrote:On April 18 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:
I noticed Viktor is free... should I give it a go at him? I heard he is quite UP... On April 18 2012 07:40 Sufficiency wrote:On April 18 2012 06:58 De4ngus wrote:
hes UP if you dont like big dmg ???? Orthodox AP carries such as Ahri, Annie, Brand, Cass, Ryze, amd Xerath do "big damage" too. Why should I choose Viktor over them? love posts like this literally the entire topic has been a discussion about viktor and his viability you come in and say "should i play him? heard he's bad" adding nothing of value to the topic, while re-treading literally the entire conversation thusfar, instead of just playing him one game and deciding if you like him thanks for the contribution It is not against TL rules to not read other replies before posting. Thank you.
It is generally recognized as considerate to not ignore discussion that has already happened. Here on TL, we hold people to a higher standard of posting. Stop being an ass. Thank you.
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On April 18 2012 19:28 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 19:17 Alaric wrote:
I didn't notice how close Annie and Vik's ult were, damage-wise... But his E has nothing to do with her W : it's a line rather than a cone, and with a huge range at that. You don't bushcheck nor kill somebody from behind a wall with Annie's W. The shape of the AOE is different, but the general purpose is the same, in my opinion (beside Annie's Innate and Viktor's Item). It's just that Viktor's E can be directed in any directions (and goes further), thus more versatile, but Annie's W comes out faster. In terms of their utilities it's pretty much the same... aoe damage in a skillshot. It's similar to saying how Lux and Morgana are "the same" and how Caitlyn and Ashe are "the same". These pairs are not 100% similar to each other (that would be embarrassing for Riot), but similar enough to be able to draw analogies.
Viktor is E not like Annie W at all in application, the main point of Viktor E is the obscene range and poking ability, whereas Annie is very short range wide aoe that you just add to your full combo.
Viktor and Veigar do have a ton of similarities though:
Veigar
Short range but mana efficient singe target nuke on short CD
Long range high ratio skillshot nuke
AOE conditional Stun
Single Target Meganuke
Viktor
Short range but mana efficient singe target nuke on short CD
Long range high ratio skillshot nuke
AOE conditional Stun
AOE Meganuke
The main difference is that Viktors's stun isnt used as offensively due to its range, compensated by the fact that you dont need it to land your skillshot, which makes Viktor pokier as opposed to Veigar who is all or nothing. The moving cast on lazer also contributes to this. The ult is the other difference which is just AOE vs Single target.
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Viktor's W also takes time to apply the stun, which is why it's better used more defensively than Veigar's. This is compensated by the fact that it stuns the insides of the circle, as opposed to just the edge.
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On April 18 2012 20:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Viktor's W also takes time to apply the stun, which is why it's better used more defensively than Veigar's. This is compensated by the fact that it stuns the insides of the circle, as opposed to just the edge.
made killing you early hard T_T
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Played a quick game of dominion after reading about viktor in GD (stayed away because looked hard xD) and he is a lot of fun. The E took a few tries to get used to but is quite enjoyable. I would consider purchasing him if I wasn't afraid of a nerf in the next few weeks...
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On April 19 2012 00:16 mordek wrote:
Played a quick game of dominion after reading about viktor in GD (stayed away because looked hard xD) and he is a lot of fun. The E took a few tries to get used to but is quite enjoyable. I would consider purchasing him if I wasn't afraid of a nerf in the next few weeks...
I wouldn't be. Still nobody plays him. They will hopefully fix his ult bug, but I don't expect any nerfs any time soon unless in the next few weeks he becomes seriously fotm.
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Soooo they completely borked the model this patch. Laser so buggy. Gets stuck visually (but damage goes out) about 60% of the time.
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On April 19 2012 01:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 00:16 mordek wrote:
Played a quick game of dominion after reading about viktor in GD (stayed away because looked hard xD) and he is a lot of fun. The E took a few tries to get used to but is quite enjoyable. I would consider purchasing him if I wasn't afraid of a nerf in the next few weeks... I wouldn't be. Still nobody plays him. They will hopefully fix his ult bug, but I don't expect any nerfs any time soon unless in the next few weeks he becomes seriously fotm.
Abuse it til you lose it.
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On April 19 2012 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Soooo they completely borked the model this patch. Laser so buggy. Gets stuck visually (but damage goes out) about 60% of the time.
So basically a huge buff?
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On April 19 2012 08:50 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Soooo they completely borked the model this patch. Laser so buggy. Gets stuck visually (but damage goes out) about 60% of the time. So basically a huge buff?
No, it's annoying as all hell to use.
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The laser is so op. The range is like 2x what the graphic shows, and smartcasting it while chasing is great.
Luckily it is tard-proof.
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is the ult glitch still in after this patch? hard to judge trades when someone has a 50% chance at 100-0ing you after lvl6
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On April 19 2012 09:35 ninjakingcola wrote:
What is this ult glitch?
Mash R get double ults
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On April 18 2012 18:59 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 08:34 gtrsrs wrote:On April 18 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:
I noticed Viktor is free... should I give it a go at him? I heard he is quite UP... On April 18 2012 07:40 Sufficiency wrote:On April 18 2012 06:58 De4ngus wrote:
hes UP if you dont like big dmg ???? Orthodox AP carries such as Ahri, Annie, Brand, Cass, Ryze, amd Xerath do "big damage" too. Why should I choose Viktor over them? love posts like this literally the entire topic has been a discussion about viktor and his viability you come in and say "should i play him? heard he's bad" adding nothing of value to the topic, while re-treading literally the entire conversation thusfar, instead of just playing him one game and deciding if you like him thanks for the contribution It is not against TL rules to not read other replies before posting. Thank you.
You're wrong. TL 10 Commandments. Number 3. Thank you.
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On April 19 2012 09:04 Slusher wrote:
is the ult glitch still in after this patch? hard to judge trades when someone has a 50% chance at 100-0ing you after lvl6
It's still in, unfortunately.
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testing in a custom game as we speak, don't own Vik, just free week
~33% success rate replicating the glitch ----.----
time to play only pokey champs vs Vik till the next patch.
whats dumb is I have seen more Viktor's in the last two weeks and at first I was nieve and thought it was about this sneaky good rumor I heard, but of course then I heard about this bug
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