EPT[Champion] Viktor - Page 3
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Flicky
England2675 Posts
I'm started to head towards building tanky ap stuff just because how much damage he deals anyway but I need to play around more. My main issue with him is having a game plan. I don't know if I'm meant to just afk farm, push hard or what. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I'm going to move Rylai's to core for him. You can delay the dcap because of all the innate AP you get from your augment. The slow is really nice on his Q and also still good on his E and R. The tankiness is very good coupled with the wota + Q. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Did his R always have a cast time? I could've sworn it was insta-cast like Tibbers but I could be wrong....perhaps a secret hotfix to prevent R-spam double-ult or am I just being paranoid? It just feels like there's so much delay between when I want my cloud to land on somebody and it actually does that there's something wrong. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Edit note: double ult bug achieved fairly easily by just spamming R as you're trying to cast it. I don't really ever do it on purpose, and I always feel bad when I get one =/ | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 17 2012 02:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: Cast time has always been there. I have been getting a bunch of double-ult bugs lately. Hopefully they fix that soon. Edit note: double ult bug achieved fairly easily by just spamming R as you're trying to cast it. I don't really ever do it on purpose, and I always feel bad when I get one =/ If by feel bad you mean laugh meniacly as you get a triple kill, then yes. You feel bad. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 17 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: Push hard, steal wraiths, exert map control. If people come to gank you, kill them 1v2 (or 1v4 if you so wish). The more I've played him, the more I realize he is, in fact, a top caster. I'm going to move Rylai's to core for him. You can delay the dcap because of all the innate AP you get from your augment. The slow is really nice on his Q and also still good on his E and R. The tankiness is very good coupled with the wota + Q. Ha! Now you see the light. Then toss a Zhonya in here and pretend you're Swain when you use it during your ult. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
There have been times that I've toyed with the idea of maxing Q, but when this happens, I honestly can't convince myself of it. The lane clearing power of E is just too powerful imo. It's one of those "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" kind of things. I've seen the devastation of maxing E. It never leaves me wanting more. I'll play around with it in normals just for funsies so I can come back with a more definitive answer. Even if I'm maxing Q, though, I think I would still have to go for the death augment. Edit: The big difference is the range and aoe on E vs the spammability of Q. They both have fairly comparable damage as you skill them up. However, the range on Q is so much shorter. It's nice having a skill you can spam more, but unless you're completely destroying them, they can get in range to do things before you can punish them. | ||
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Goorf
United States19 Posts
On April 17 2012 01:32 Flicky wrote: My main issue with him is having a game plan. I don't know if I'm meant to just afk farm, push hard or what. With most all ap carrys you should just push and gank bot correct? would say in 90% of the cases you should never just "afk farm" | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On April 17 2012 02:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: Cast time has always been there. I have been getting a bunch of double-ult bugs lately. Hopefully they fix that soon. Edit note: double ult bug achieved fairly easily by just spamming R as you're trying to cast it. I don't really ever do it on purpose, and I always feel bad when I get one =/ On the PTR they discovered a bug where you can do this an infinite amount of times. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
The damage on the Q was really nice, and it was great to be able to spam it. However, I found that if I wanted to really do damage, I would have to be close enough for my lane opponent (Vlad in this case) to also do quite a bit of damage. This is as opposed to if I'm maxing E, and I can harass from a safe distance, and then have the insurance of my Q shield if they get too close. Having the Power augment was pretty fun to be honest. The defensive stats were really meh, and there was an extremely noticeable lack of extra AP, but the move speed was really nice. That plus the slow of Rylai's and the spammability of Q meant no one would escape if they wanted to run. Overall, I think it could have some merit. I did feel really uncomfortable with it though, but that could be because either I'm not used to it or it didn't fit my play style. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
I was wondering, which champs do you really have a hard time against as Viktor? So far i've done pretty well against almost all I think, at least not a lot where I felt I was at a disadvantage. Ahri's probably the hardest one, champs like LB can be a pain but going a Negatron after the first Dorans pretty much shut her down in most instances in my experience. I generally just build boots+3pot > 2x Dorans > Rylais > Deathcap > Voidstaff > Wota/Zhonya's. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: So I tried a game maxing Q first and getting Power Augment. And yes, one game is totally definitive evidence. The damage on the Q was really nice, and it was great to be able to spam it. However, I found that if I wanted to really do damage, I would have to be close enough for my lane opponent (Vlad in this case) to also do quite a bit of damage. This is as opposed to if I'm maxing E, and I can harass from a safe distance, and then have the insurance of my Q shield if they get too close. Having the Power augment was pretty fun to be honest. The defensive stats were really meh, and there was an extremely noticeable lack of extra AP, but the move speed was really nice. That plus the slow of Rylai's and the spammability of Q meant no one would escape if they wanted to run. Overall, I think it could have some merit. I did feel really uncomfortable with it though, but that could be because either I'm not used to it or it didn't fit my play style. I tried maxing Q, but for mid there is no question its bad compared to E. The spell itself is great and obscenely mana efficient, but getting close enough to use it you will take alot of damage from any good mid. E is much better as you get to hit it for free 90% of the time. Maxing Q second is fine because it still hurts bad if they move in close and you can get nice bonus damage in between their CD's if they arent careful. For top lane Maxing Q is strong, but I would still go with Death augment as it provides the best stats by far. I have been counterpicking Nasus/any other low range top with Viktor especially and it is hilarious how badly they get owned, just Q and auto them to death (shield eats minon aggro and helps you not push too hard) all day long and save W if they every try to make a move= they eat full combo and die. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 17 2012 15:24 Promises wrote: I've tried the Q Augment a few times now but I just feel I lose so much damage, both from having an item that gives no AP and meh defences lategame and the fact that laser does so much less. I was wondering, which champs do you really have a hard time against as Viktor? So far i've done pretty well against almost all I think, at least not a lot where I felt I was at a disadvantage. Ahri's probably the hardest one, champs like LB can be a pain but going a Negatron after the first Dorans pretty much shut her down in most instances in my experience. I generally just build boots+3pot > 2x Dorans > Rylais > Deathcap > Voidstaff > Wota/Zhonya's. The only champ I get fucked by is LB, I thought I could bully her early and then just farm with lazer from under tower, but against a good LB I just got fucking destroyed. Like feeding uncontrollably 100% to zero under tower destroyed. I havent had issues with Ahri, her ult is obnoxious, but its alot easier to dodge her stuff than it is for her to dodge yours. Feels like a pretty even matchup to me. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 17 2012 15:24 Promises wrote: I've tried the Q Augment a few times now but I just feel I lose so much damage, both from having an item that gives no AP and meh defences lategame and the fact that laser does so much less. I was wondering, which champs do you really have a hard time against as Viktor? So far i've done pretty well against almost all I think, at least not a lot where I felt I was at a disadvantage. Ahri's probably the hardest one, champs like LB can be a pain but going a Negatron after the first Dorans pretty much shut her down in most instances in my experience. I generally just build boots+3pot > 2x Dorans > Rylais > Deathcap > Voidstaff > Wota/Zhonya's. Honestly, there are very few lanes that I feel uncomfortable in. Like, it's kinda at the point where when the enemy picks Viktor, I have to really think hard about what I want to use to counter him. I have had trouble with LB. She's just an annoying as shit anti-mage. I haven't played against her in a while. Cass can be really annoying as her harass is almost as long range as yours and she's way more mana efficient. Morde is annoying in the early levels with the constant pushing, but if you just bide your time, he quickly becomes a non-issue. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 17 2012 21:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: Honestly, there are very few lanes that I feel uncomfortable in. Like, it's kinda at the point where when the enemy picks Viktor, I have to really think hard about what I want to use to counter him. I have had trouble with LB. She's just an annoying as shit anti-mage. I haven't played against her in a while. Cass can be really annoying as her harass is almost as long range as yours and she's way more mana efficient. Morde is annoying in the early levels with the constant pushing, but if you just bide your time, he quickly becomes a non-issue. haha, enemy picking Viktor, good joke | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Ive seen it happen. Soniv immedialty goes into "oh woe is me what do I pick I cant handle this" mode. | ||
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