[Discussion] Season 2 Masteries - Page 7

On November 15 2011 04:40 billy5000 wrote:
irelia

http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=1-3-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-3-0-0-3-0-0-3-0-0-2-3-3-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

On November 15 2011 04:20 BlueBird. wrote:


9-12-9 Is something I want to try on my junglers, get the armor pen, get the defensive stats + the DBC, and get the runic in utility but idk, going down to 21 is just really powerful since that final slot is so good and things get pretty good on the way down.

On November 14 2011 16:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
For Ryze...

Off tree: CDR, Magic Pen (AP not as useful)
Def tree: Health and Resists
Uti tree: Mana, Mana Regen, CDR

http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=0-0-4-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-3-0-1-3-0-0-3-1-0-4-0-1-3-1

However, since Frozen Heart is a staple on Ryze and Blue buff typically goes on him too, you technically could skip on CDR in masteries and end up with:

http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=0-0-4-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-3-0-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-3-0-1-3-0-0-3-1-0-0-0-0-0-0

You'd hit Magic Pen, Mana, Spell Vamp and essential survivability masteries early up on Def tree.

On November 15 2011 04:25 Sabin010 wrote:
the crit damage won't stack on the IEs. What are you trying to say? I feel veteran scars to be a poor mastery for late game as 100 health is not that much. Garen won't benefit from attackspeed as much because most of his damage is coming from auto attack, q, e combo. dumping 5 points to get 10% armour pen and 4% attackspeed just seems like it isn't worth it as much as you would think. We have seen what Garen does with out 10% armour pen, and Last whisper is always an option for later in the game if some one has stacked armour.

10% magic pen is also good if you plan on buying sunfire cape.

On November 15 2011 04:43 Treadmill wrote:

Yeah I was just looking at this - not just for junglers. Theres really good reason for going 9 points in each tree
Offense - Spell pen / armour pen
Defense - veteran's scars / Bladed Armour
utility - buff duration
And then some really good 3-pt masteries at tier 3 (Havoc, Evasion, Transmutation).

I think we might see a lot more 9-9-9 + 3. At least for less focussed characters - the top of the defence and offence trees expecially have some really nice options. But Id consider going 9-9-12 on say Ryze since he doesnt benefit as much from AP (and he'll get maybe 5-10 ap out of archmage) and extra health and spell vamp would be really good.

Actually for junglers defence tree looks really really good, especially if you don't need the experience mastery.

Would there ever be a reason to take Vigor/Meditation?

On November 15 2011 04:27 Sandster wrote:
Except pretty much everyone worth a damn shows up to lane with 60-70+ armor against Garen at level 1, and it only goes up from there.

On November 15 2011 04:47 Slayer91 wrote:
10% Armour pen stacks additively with LW meaning if there was a reason to get LW theres a reason to get that mastery. Also, its 5 points for 4% cdr and 10% magic pen and they're not exactly the best stats for garen. I don't see people going cdr boots and void staff garen. Your damage is like 80-90% physical damage how you can even argue for the mpen mastery is beyond me. CDR is a bit useful but so if attack speed since if you have really high AD and your Q and E are on CD you get attacks in faster also cdr makes your Q and E come up slightly faster. It's a bit of a toss up.

On November 15 2011 01:21 Slayer91 wrote:
The wealth mastery isn't supposed to be good because of the high gold value but because of the new options for starting items like vamp/dorans+1, regrowth+ward, cloth+3mp5+1 pot. probaby gives supports a lot more options as well that I'm not thinking of.

On November 15 2011 04:57 Slayer91 wrote:
Well, doesn't that mean you get 54% arpen?. Woah, that's insanely strong.

On November 15 2011 02:59 volcryn wrote:
So most of my junglers I am pretty happy with overall on paper - of course it is going to take some testing. The one that seems to really bother me though is nocturne. I'm running a 16/3/11 build on live that I am really happy with - but there seems to be so many strong picks early in the new mastery trees , combined with what I feel is a weak mid - tier offense (havoc, lethality, deadliness, vampirism) in the case of his jungle. Much of what I went into offense for is now lower in the tree except flat armor pen, which is exchanged for flat 10%

First 9 points in offense benefit his jungle and transition into mid/late
First 9 in defense are incredibly strong for early jungle clears + smite mastery
First 9 in utility provide movespeed + buff duration

are any of these worth giving up to run a 21/x/x or x/21/x

is there any value in considering a 9/9/9 +3?

http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=0-3-0-1-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-3-2-0-2-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-3-0-0-4-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0

On November 15 2011 04:34 NeoIllusions wrote:


You're really, really getting points for all the wrong reasons...
Crit Chance because you can crit during spin? Magic Pen for Ulti and Sunfire Cape?
How is either of those better than ArPen on a bruiser? AS does seems worthless on Garen but if it's a prereq to 10% ArPen, it's suddenly more worth it than the Crit stats.

On November 15 2011 04:57 Slayer91 wrote:
Well, doesn't that mean you get 54% arpen?. Woah, that's insanely strong.

And yeah, you're probably right that having to spend so many points to get it is stupid compared to how much good shit you can get now.

Sage might be an interesting stat for supports because they tend to fall behind in levels once the laning phase is over and they stop following their AD to farm.

On November 15 2011 04:57 Slayer91 wrote:
Well, doesn't that mean you get 54% arpen?. Woah, that's insanely strong.

And yeah, you're probably right that having to spend so many points to get it is stupid compared to how much good shit you can get now.

Sage might be an interesting stat for supports because they tend to fall behind in levels once the laning phase is over and they stop following their AD to farm.

On November 15 2011 05:02 NeoIllusions wrote:


Sage is laughable. :< It could totally use a buff, +40 is like a joke early game. Like someone said earlier, that's not even a mini golem.
It's only saving grace (compared to something like Mercenary) is that Sage is tier 4 and only a single point.

On November 15 2011 04:47 Slayer91 wrote:


You're just speaking in nonsense terms like "not that much" "just get last whisper if they have lots of armour". This discussion is all about hard numbers because masteries don't make that huge of a difference that they are always noticeable. Also, sunfire cape is pretty horrible on garen.

10% Armour pen stacks additively with LW meaning if there was a reason to get LW theres a reason to get that mastery. Also, its 5 points for 4% cdr and 10% magic pen and they're not exactly the best stats for garen. I don't see people going cdr boots and void staff garen. Your damage is like 80-90% physical damage how you can even argue for the mpen mastery is beyond me. CDR is a bit useful but so if attack speed since if you have really high AD and your Q and E are on CD you get attacks in faster also cdr makes your Q and E come up slightly faster. It's a bit of a toss up.

Veteran scars is around 400 gold value lategame which is pretty good for 5 points, the armour and magic resist is 200 gold value for 6 points. I'd normally say it's probably better than 4% crit and 10% crit damage but I'm not totally sure. If you're going atmas and lategame IE you could say the value or crit and crit damage is higher but if you get IE you really want the extra tank.

On November 15 2011 05:01 TheYango wrote:

I think 9/12/9 is reasonable for junglers that don't care about crit. On physical damage autoattack junglers, Lethality is too insane right now at one point. IMO it outshines Executioner as the capstone mastery of the Offense tree.

Turn a 3 point mastery that was already extremely good into a 1 point mastery? What was Riot thinking...

On November 15 2011 05:06 Sabin010 wrote:


I go Atma's sunfire and a late game IE. Final build usually looks like Sunfire, Atmas, IE, LW/GhostBlade, FoN. Usually you try to end the game before that point, but that is my ideal late game build. If you're going to try to win in the mid game the build is usually something like Brutalizer, Hexdrinker, Ghostblade, Atmas, SunfireCape. You can tell me running Magic pen and CDR is worse, but I'm going to end up running something like 26-3-1 and taking both. The reason I like sunfire is to have more aoe damage while spinning, and its cheaper than Frozen mallet or Warmogs.

On November 15 2011 05:04 Mogwai wrote:
Pantheon gonna hit so hard when you're sub 15% now, lol.

On November 15 2011 05:06 Sabin010 wrote:
I go Atma's sunfire and a late game IE. Final build usually looks like Sunfire, Atmas, IE, LW/GhostBlade, FoN. Usually you try to end the game before that point, but that is my ideal late game build. If you're going to try to win in the mid game the build is usually something like Brutalizer, Hexdrinker, Ghostblade, Atmas, SunfireCape. You can tell me running Magic pen and CDR is worse, but I'm going to end up running something like 26-3-1 and taking both. The reason I like sunfire is to have more aoe damage while spinning, and its cheaper than Frozen mallet or Warmogs.

On November 15 2011 05:06 Treadmill wrote:

Except its not exactly a 1- point mastery. Its more like a 5-point mastery that gets you 4% crit chance and 10% crit damage. Its still good though, but I think that if you were just looking at deadliness on its own it maybe wouldn't be worth it, so you have to put points into a less-valuable mastery to get Lethality.