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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 02 2011 17:15 GMT
#141
On December 03 2011 00:58 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 00:50 Mogwai wrote:
My Pantheon raped Rainman's Udyr so hard that he ragequit last night, trolololo.


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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 17:54:55
December 02 2011 17:49 GMT
#142
On December 03 2011 00:50 Mogwai wrote:
My Pantheon raped Rainman's Udyr so hard that he ragequit last night, trolololo.


That was HILARIOUS. I absolutely hate watching rainman, but I saw Smash on pantheon so I watched it (with sounds, painful as it was).

He takes tiger at level 1 instead of turtle. Eats a few spears to the face, gets zoned to the tower while spamming pots. When creep wave pushes to tower, Smash throws a couple more spears, then dives for kill. Someone already died, so it wasn't first blood. Smash died as well but he denied tons of farm so it was a win.

At this point Udyr had like 6 cs and lost ~1.5 creep waves to the tower after he died. Apparently has no idea how much damage Pantheon does, because he tried to engage in lane and got throttled and had to go back again (with like 20 hp). Smash hit level 6 when Rainman was still level 4. The only reason he somewhat got back into the game is because Smash jumped on dragon while Udyr pushed top by himself.

When Smash gets back in lane Rain types WTF HOW DOES HE HAVE 3 KILLS WHOS FEEDING HIM (bitching about how their mid sucks and is feeding). He stacks armor (tabi, wriggle, cloth) and so Smash starts building Last Whisperer. That's when the stream died. So amusing.

He claims during stream that he has the wrong runes and that he's drunk (with his obligatory hyena-like ASHDFHASJHAHAHAHAHAH's in between).

EDIT: There was one unwarded gank from gangplank when lane was pushed. Pantheon instantly jumps backwards towards GP and flashes. Right before that, I noticed you could have jumped on Udyr and win a trade but didn't; were you expecting the gank?
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 02 2011 19:15 GMT
#143
mogwai's just smart
And all is illuminated.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 03 2011 05:38 GMT
#144
On December 03 2011 02:49 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 00:50 Mogwai wrote:
My Pantheon raped Rainman's Udyr so hard that he ragequit last night, trolololo.


That was HILARIOUS. I absolutely hate watching rainman, but I saw Smash on pantheon so I watched it (with sounds, painful as it was).

He takes tiger at level 1 instead of turtle. Eats a few spears to the face, gets zoned to the tower while spamming pots. When creep wave pushes to tower, Smash throws a couple more spears, then dives for kill. Someone already died, so it wasn't first blood. Smash died as well but he denied tons of farm so it was a win.

At this point Udyr had like 6 cs and lost ~1.5 creep waves to the tower after he died. Apparently has no idea how much damage Pantheon does, because he tried to engage in lane and got throttled and had to go back again (with like 20 hp). Smash hit level 6 when Rainman was still level 4. The only reason he somewhat got back into the game is because Smash jumped on dragon while Udyr pushed top by himself.

When Smash gets back in lane Rain types WTF HOW DOES HE HAVE 3 KILLS WHOS FEEDING HIM (bitching about how their mid sucks and is feeding). He stacks armor (tabi, wriggle, cloth) and so Smash starts building Last Whisperer. That's when the stream died. So amusing.

He claims during stream that he has the wrong runes and that he's drunk (with his obligatory hyena-like ASHDFHASJHAHAHAHAHAH's in between).

EDIT: There was one unwarded gank from gangplank when lane was pushed. Pantheon instantly jumps backwards towards GP and flashes. Right before that, I noticed you could have jumped on Udyr and win a trade but didn't; were you expecting the gank?

I would've traded had I been losing the lane or even close to udyr getting some semblance of control back. however, as things were, I just played it safe and used GP to springboard myself to safety to preserve my lead. no point in trading while ahead, just gives him a chance to claw back into the game
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TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
December 03 2011 06:49 GMT
#145
Did rainman not open cloth armor for some reason?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 04 2011 04:49 GMT
#146
he did, but dblade rapes cloth so hard.
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 04 2011 14:58 GMT
#147
How safe is it to open dorans in top lane though? I try to when I see my lane opponent open cloth armor, simply because if they don't have boots, you might not need em, and cloth5 will outlast boots5 any day. So I get dorans in that situation, (or if they also get dorans which is great for you as well), but in dorans vs cloth5 you *need* to be hyper aggressive, no? You've got more damage, but they have sustain and you don't, so you need to reeeeaally punish them out of lane early.

But playing hyper aggressive top lane that early, (especially if you start purple side imo) is just asking to be ganked, and panth with no boots getting ganked early is like instant death, or at the very least forced to blow flash at which point rammus just comes back 15 seconds later and finishes the deal T_T;
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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
December 04 2011 16:29 GMT
#148
I just played a game with a Pantheon, we lost, but I had a cool moment where I told Pantheon to ult on top of an Ezreal. I then moved in as Sona and ulted the Ezreal as he was running, and Pantheon just immediately exploded on top of him and killed him.

It was coool.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 04 2011 19:41 GMT
#149
On December 04 2011 23:58 Haemonculus wrote:
How safe is it to open dorans in top lane though? I try to when I see my lane opponent open cloth armor, simply because if they don't have boots, you might not need em, and cloth5 will outlast boots5 any day. So I get dorans in that situation, (or if they also get dorans which is great for you as well), but in dorans vs cloth5 you *need* to be hyper aggressive, no? You've got more damage, but they have sustain and you don't, so you need to reeeeaally punish them out of lane early.

But playing hyper aggressive top lane that early, (especially if you start purple side imo) is just asking to be ganked, and panth with no boots getting ganked early is like instant death, or at the very least forced to blow flash at which point rammus just comes back 15 seconds later and finishes the deal T_T;

you play hyper aggressive until you get to their tower or until they gank you and you blow flash, at which point you back for pots, ward and/or another dblade/boots. I think I feel more free to just say fuck it and bluepill more than most people who, for no apparent reason, like to sit on a lane with no hp, no flash and no pots and then get mad when they die.
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 11 2011 01:53 GMT
#150
How the fuck do you finish a game as pantheon? I don't understand any of it.

I shit on my lane. Like SHIT on them. Poor riven has 7 cs before she hits 6. I jump mid and kill sion. I jump bot and get double kill. 9-1 before team fights happen, but I just can't actually carry anything with pantheon.

Just last game I go 9-1 in laning-ish phase, we lose game. Last night I went fucking 11-0 and we lose. I have roughly a 2:1 K:D ratio overall with panth, and a 40% winrate. It doesn't seem to matter how badly I win lane, I feel so useless late game. Blahhghghghhgh
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 02:35:21
December 11 2011 02:35 GMT
#151
On December 11 2011 10:53 Haemonculus wrote:
How the fuck do you finish a game as pantheon? I don't understand any of it.

I shit on my lane. Like SHIT on them. Poor riven has 7 cs before she hits 6. I jump mid and kill sion. I jump bot and get double kill. 9-1 before team fights happen, but I just can't actually carry anything with pantheon.

Just last game I go 9-1 in laning-ish phase, we lose game. Last night I went fucking 11-0 and we lose. I have roughly a 2:1 K:D ratio overall with panth, and a 40% winrate. It doesn't seem to matter how badly I win lane, I feel so useless late game. Blahhghghghhgh

smash can probably explain better than me, but whenever I play panth, after laning phase is over I stock up on wards and just splitpush all fucking day. when teamfights break out, i ulti on top of the enemy carries and explode them as best as I can. The channel time allows you to arrive after the cc has been blown so it's generaly a very easy thing to just blow up at least one of their carries after ulting onto them. Panth is kinda weak lategame cause he's so squishy, but if you've been doing well and you have bruta/LW and at least 2 BTs you should melt squishies like nobodies business.
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
December 11 2011 02:52 GMT
#152
When does Smash normally stream? I've been trying to keep an eye out but haven't caught anything yet
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 03:16:33
December 11 2011 03:12 GMT
#153
Hmmm... I'll try the splitpush thing. I find that like teamfights start and no one is organized to land good CC or anything. Blahhh. Once you get that first BT or mebbe a 2nd BF sword you start to do downright silly damage, but it's just not enough. It's not like a real carry where you can actually incinerate people. You're sooooo strong 1v1, but merely the presence of a 2nd enemy and you can't seem to do anything T_T

edit: Like, if there's ever a point in any game where I'm 11-0 as cait or vayne, I just right click on people and they melt instantly, and I'm far enough away to not die. Panth needs to be so close that you eat alllllll the CC and get focused super fast.
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getpicture
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
December 11 2011 06:14 GMT
#154
On December 11 2011 11:35 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 10:53 Haemonculus wrote:
How the fuck do you finish a game as pantheon? I don't understand any of it.

I shit on my lane. Like SHIT on them. Poor riven has 7 cs before she hits 6. I jump mid and kill sion. I jump bot and get double kill. 9-1 before team fights happen, but I just can't actually carry anything with pantheon.

Just last game I go 9-1 in laning-ish phase, we lose game. Last night I went fucking 11-0 and we lose. I have roughly a 2:1 K:D ratio overall with panth, and a 40% winrate. It doesn't seem to matter how badly I win lane, I feel so useless late game. Blahhghghghhgh

smash can probably explain better than me, but whenever I play panth, after laning phase is over I stock up on wards and just splitpush all fucking day. when teamfights break out, i ulti on top of the enemy carries and explode them as best as I can. The channel time allows you to arrive after the cc has been blown so it's generaly a very easy thing to just blow up at least one of their carries after ulting onto them. Panth is kinda weak lategame cause he's so squishy, but if you've been doing well and you have bruta/LW and at least 2 BTs you should melt squishies like nobodies business.


a lot of times when pantheon gets fed, he can't carry and thus its better to let team mates take the kill. but the most effective pantheons builds are and boots + mass bloodthirsters.

seriously get blood thirsters non stop, do not ever get ghostblade cuz its weak late game (armor pen is weak and overrated).
Saeglopur
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada177 Posts
December 11 2011 06:26 GMT
#155
GA really helps. If you have 10 kills and decent cs coming out of laning phase, you should still be doing terrible terrible dmg with only 1 BT(assuming u have 2 dblade and bruta as well). IMHO a GA before second BT could be worth it if you find yourself to likely be the prime target of focus fire. I would seriously recommend GA after 2 BTs though if you are still in the lead.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
December 11 2011 23:30 GMT
#156
On December 11 2011 10:53 Haemonculus wrote:
How the fuck do you finish a game as pantheon? I don't understand any of it.

I shit on my lane. Like SHIT on them. Poor riven has 7 cs before she hits 6. I jump mid and kill sion. I jump bot and get double kill. 9-1 before team fights happen, but I just can't actually carry anything with pantheon.

Just last game I go 9-1 in laning-ish phase, we lose game. Last night I went fucking 11-0 and we lose. I have roughly a 2:1 K:D ratio overall with panth, and a 40% winrate. It doesn't seem to matter how badly I win lane, I feel so useless late game. Blahhghghghhgh


I generally just babysit late game. Once you have like doran/doran/BT/BT/merc, just chuck spears at whoever is in range and wait for an assassin to try and kill your carry. Stun them and you+your carries damage should instantly melt anyone foolish enough to try. Or you can get GA/BV after your first BT and try leading the charge. After being rolled by panth all game, people generally panic and blow everything on you asap.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 11 2011 23:54 GMT
#157
On December 12 2011 08:30 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 10:53 Haemonculus wrote:
How the fuck do you finish a game as pantheon? I don't understand any of it.

I shit on my lane. Like SHIT on them. Poor riven has 7 cs before she hits 6. I jump mid and kill sion. I jump bot and get double kill. 9-1 before team fights happen, but I just can't actually carry anything with pantheon.

Just last game I go 9-1 in laning-ish phase, we lose game. Last night I went fucking 11-0 and we lose. I have roughly a 2:1 K:D ratio overall with panth, and a 40% winrate. It doesn't seem to matter how badly I win lane, I feel so useless late game. Blahhghghghhgh


I generally just babysit late game. Once you have like doran/doran/BT/BT/merc, just chuck spears at whoever is in range and wait for an assassin to try and kill your carry. Stun them and you+your carries damage should instantly melt anyone foolish enough to try. Or you can get GA/BV after your first BT and try leading the charge. After being rolled by panth all game, people generally panic and blow everything on you asap.

One thing I dont liek bout babysitting is that generally it's either assassins or bruisers diving your carry. If it's the former then you have np just gibbing the assassin. But if it's a bruiser diving the carry you're probably not gonna do much.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 12 2011 16:09 GMT
#158
I tend to end games as Pantheon somewhere around 5:00 when their bot lane is level 2 and a combined 0/6 while I have a brutalizer and dblade and leona has philo + boots and we're both outleveling our solos .


If they're not just afking at fountain though, you win games as pantheon when you get your GA and split push. If your team cannot play split push well, you're fucked going into late game, plain and simple. The only way to play straight up 5v5 teamfights with Pantheon is to camp back with your carry and find HSS opportunities.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
bosiddon
Profile Joined September 2010
308 Posts
December 13 2011 01:30 GMT
#159
jungle panth secret op
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 13 2011 01:55 GMT
#160
eh camps lanes like a boss, but his jungling speed is awful enough that I dun like him jerngling now.
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