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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 07 2012 14:26 GMT
#121
How's your jungle Lee build these days? I've been experimenting with these two builds and I honestly can't really decide wether the offensive or the defensive options are better. I tend to think that the slow+shield of Phage+Hexdrinker should outweigh the defensive stats of Aegis, but the early Aegis is SO strong in teamfights.
currently rooting for myself.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 07 2012 17:16 GMT
#122
On June 07 2012 23:26 Shiv. wrote:
How's your jungle Lee build these days? I've been experimenting with these two builds and I honestly can't really decide wether the offensive or the defensive options are better. I tend to think that the slow+shield of Phage+Hexdrinker should outweigh the defensive stats of Aegis, but the early Aegis is SO strong in teamfights.

i like wriggles 2dlbades then aegis personally. then a page sometime after
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bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
June 07 2012 18:33 GMT
#123
Just bought him. Really difficult to learn, Lee is very different from other champs.

so far wriggles, mercuries, hex and phage are working well. late game kinda sucks though.But its noob me i guess.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 07 2012 18:40 GMT
#124
On June 08 2012 03:33 bokeevboke wrote:
Just bought him. Really difficult to learn, Lee is very different from other champs.

so far wriggles, mercuries, hex and phage are working well. late game kinda sucks though.But its noob me i guess.

lee sin's lategame just blows, in late game, all you'll be doing is shielding, using your ulti to peal, and de-buffing enemy carry w/ cripple. but don't expect to do mindblowing dmg.
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NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
June 08 2012 01:45 GMT
#125
double dorans into phage and hexdrinker is what my build has stabilized into. wriggles and aegis just doesn't feel like it does enough damage for you to really be effective imo. if you have a high-damage team or something i could see it being the better option though. it's actually not that hard to stay relevant lategame if you get a LW. at the very least you'll still destroy squishies np, which is (most likely) your job. i wouldn't get it in games where you're peeling rather than diving though.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
June 08 2012 03:56 GMT
#126
Wriggles is a must and core on someone like Lee because of the proc. You kill dragon and baron faster. I personally prefer what Diamondprox does on his Lee Sin. He goes cloth 5 or boots 3 into wriggles and a aegis. He's been experimenting with HoG as well since it's a gp5 item and it's end game randuins is huge on Lee because of how tanky he becomes. Proceed to build a Frozen mallet, randuins, and if you need the early game mr get a hex.

You're looking at around 200+ armor on Lee with these items and it's hard to kill you with that much hp from the mallet as well.
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NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
June 08 2012 05:02 GMT
#127
ah. i missed the part where this was about him in the jungle haha. that post was in reference to top lane lee
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
June 08 2012 15:47 GMT
#128
Not sure I like dorans on Lee that much, especially after the nerf. That said, if I get an early lead and/or sense that the team comp requires me to be especially relevant in the midgame, I'll buy them.

Otherwise I'll go wriggles -> phage -> brutalizer / aegis / hexdrinker. If you're farming constantly, I find that this build makes you pretty effective right when team fights usually start.
Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
June 08 2012 15:53 GMT
#129
On June 08 2012 12:56 Jaxtyk wrote:
Wriggles is a must and core on someone like Lee because of the proc. You kill dragon and baron faster. I personally prefer what Diamondprox does on his Lee Sin. He goes cloth 5 or boots 3 into wriggles and a aegis. He's been experimenting with HoG as well since it's a gp5 item and it's end game randuins is huge on Lee because of how tanky he becomes. Proceed to build a Frozen mallet, randuins, and if you need the early game mr get a hex.

You're looking at around 200+ armor on Lee with these items and it's hard to kill you with that much hp from the mallet as well.


I disagree strongly on wriggles being core on jungle Lee. He does not at all need the life steal, and his clears are fast as heck with 2 dorans. Try boots > 2 dorans > whatever, it's powerful. He'll deal toplaner damage and still clear jungle with no sweat, and is way more useful in teamfights than when building wriggles.
Don't get me wrong, wriggle's is an amazing item, it's just way too expensive when 2 dorans is 950g.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
June 08 2012 16:04 GMT
#130
I think wriggles suits lee sin on the level of his teamfighting being a mostly defensive bruiser until oppurtunities show up. He can use his shield and slow and ult to peel far better than most, and the lifesteal and armour on w combined with wriggles gives sick sustain for healing up safely on some guy in the back of the teamfight trying to dive your carry. You still has the option to W to teammembers and land a q on a squishy and burst them but it's not always possible and that's the type of thing top lane lees go for more with the additional levels and gold they have higher burst and higher survivability. I think wriggles suits jungle lee decently however it's not a must have item.

The ward hopping is just another plus that lee sin benefits from really well. The ward hopping + nearly 50% lifesteal at max W (I like to max it first but ~I'm not the best lee sin by far LOL) is insanely fun.
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
June 08 2012 16:07 GMT
#131
Wriggles isn't necessary but Lee is pretty meh for tanking dragon. It also means you finish baron incredibly quick.
The armor it gives is great (better shields!~) and combined with his lifesteal/spellvamp from W, it lets Lee get back to full health incredibly fast in jungle after a gank.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
June 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#132
On June 09 2012 00:53 Papvin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 12:56 Jaxtyk wrote:
Wriggles is a must and core on someone like Lee because of the proc. You kill dragon and baron faster. I personally prefer what Diamondprox does on his Lee Sin. He goes cloth 5 or boots 3 into wriggles and a aegis. He's been experimenting with HoG as well since it's a gp5 item and it's end game randuins is huge on Lee because of how tanky he becomes. Proceed to build a Frozen mallet, randuins, and if you need the early game mr get a hex.

You're looking at around 200+ armor on Lee with these items and it's hard to kill you with that much hp from the mallet as well.


I disagree strongly on wriggles being core on jungle Lee. He does not at all need the life steal, and his clears are fast as heck with 2 dorans. Try boots > 2 dorans > whatever, it's powerful. He'll deal toplaner damage and still clear jungle with no sweat, and is way more useful in teamfights than when building wriggles.
Don't get me wrong, wriggle's is an amazing item, it's just way too expensive when 2 dorans is 950g.

ya i agree. 2 dorans is much better then wriggles imo. i go boots - 2x doran - hog - fromal - BT/LW in either order. this is out of the jungle and assuming you arent the main tank for your team. you do fairly ridicuous damage all game long.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 09 2012 00:05 GMT
#133
On June 09 2012 01:07 Mauzel wrote:
Wriggles isn't necessary but Lee is pretty meh for tanking dragon. It also means you finish baron incredibly quick.
The armor it gives is great (better shields!~) and combined with his lifesteal/spellvamp from W, it lets Lee get back to full health incredibly fast in jungle after a gank.

How exactly is Lee meh for tanking dragon? The kid was able to SOLO dragon at level 4 with just double Doran's back when they were at 100 HP a piece. Also, between the shield of his W, the life steal and the spellvamp especially of Q-AA-AA-Q, I don't see how he's NOT good at tanking dragon.

Finishing baron more quickly is neat, but I rarely if ever race for baron. Generally, you take it after you caught someone off guard and got a numbers advantage, so I don't care as much for speed. It's cool if you do a 15 minute 2 man baron, though.
currently rooting for myself.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 14 2012 06:54 GMT
#134
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 17 2012 01:00 GMT
#135
Okay a guide for realz this time.

http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=33102

Enjoy . I'll be adding on, wanted to get it done tonight though.
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AceLight
Profile Joined March 2012
New Zealand220 Posts
August 17 2012 08:59 GMT
#136
Is Toplane/Jungle AD Lee Sin Viable?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
August 17 2012 10:00 GMT
#137
On August 17 2012 17:59 AceLight wrote:
Is Toplane/Jungle AD Lee Sin Viable?


If you mean building PURELY AD items like IE, PD no.

Bruiser AD items though, building like an AD assassin works however

Mercs
Bloodthirster
Last whisper
Maw
Guardian Angel
Aegis/other survivability item

This is for toplane. Jungle, there's no way you're getting fed enough to get any of that.
AceLight
Profile Joined March 2012
New Zealand220 Posts
August 17 2012 12:35 GMT
#138
On August 17 2012 19:00 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:59 AceLight wrote:
Is Toplane/Jungle AD Lee Sin Viable?


If you mean building PURELY AD items like IE, PD no.

Bruiser AD items though, building like an AD assassin works however

Mercs
Bloodthirster
Last whisper
Maw
Guardian Angel
Aegis/other survivability item

This is for toplane. Jungle, there's no way you're getting fed enough to get any of that.


Seems fun, I'm just experimenting with the fact Lee Sin's ult has a short CD and that he was nice escapes, so I can use my ult freely and kill shit.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 17 2012 12:38 GMT
#139
On August 17 2012 19:00 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 17:59 AceLight wrote:
Is Toplane/Jungle AD Lee Sin Viable?


If you mean building PURELY AD items like IE, PD no.

Bruiser AD items though, building like an AD assassin works however

Mercs
Bloodthirster
Last whisper
Maw
Guardian Angel
Aegis/other survivability item

This is for toplane. Jungle, there's no way you're getting fed enough to get any of that.


I've never seen a lee sin top lane build that way. I rarely see like 1-2 purely offensive items like BT or LW and in most cases they built only 1-3 hybrid tank items like atmas/wriggles/mallet etc. and the rest pure tank. can you point to a player or some players who do such a build regulary? Also the order of those items seems to be out of place from my point of view.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 17 2012 13:34 GMT
#140
On August 17 2012 21:38 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 19:00 Lmui wrote:
On August 17 2012 17:59 AceLight wrote:
Is Toplane/Jungle AD Lee Sin Viable?


If you mean building PURELY AD items like IE, PD no.

Bruiser AD items though, building like an AD assassin works however

Mercs
Bloodthirster
Last whisper
Maw
Guardian Angel
Aegis/other survivability item

This is for toplane. Jungle, there's no way you're getting fed enough to get any of that.


I've never seen a lee sin top lane build that way. I rarely see like 1-2 purely offensive items like BT or LW and in most cases they built only 1-3 hybrid tank items like atmas/wriggles/mallet etc. and the rest pure tank. can you point to a player or some players who do such a build regulary? Also the order of those items seems to be out of place from my point of view.

I'm pretty sure he just laid out items, not in any chronological way. Voyboy did some really aggressive Lee Sin builds the last couple of tournament games he had while on Dignitas. He built a BT like every game.
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