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On December 11 2011 04:26 Haemonculus wrote:
What sort of skill order for jungling? I'd imagine like 1 point in W to start, (for the bonus armor/AD/splash), then max E with a few points in Q to gank?
Or open E to spam to clear jungle faster?
i usually go ewqe(if level 3 gank get q if not get e) and max e then q
e clears really fast and sicne the new jungle is about speed you need it more, w's cleave is nice but it isnt all that much damage
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I probably do it sub optimally but I never saw the point of philo. Apen or mpen reds (apen for faster jungling, mpen for stronger ganks), flat armor yellows, mres blues, flat armor quints (but i think you could probably live with mspd quints too). I go eweq then R>E>W>Q. Usually I don't get Q until 4 because it's unlikely I'll be ganking before then but if the situation arises. I max W over Q because with new red buff you don't need that many points in Q to slow someone down enough to kill them or make 'em burn summoners, especially if you're ulti is up. Whereas W not only gives faster clear, but it's a nice steroid for your AD and armor. Although after thinking about it, Q max before W is probably better for more damage.
For items, I open boots+3 'cause 3 pots is all you need to stay alive and boots make your ganks scarier. Grab a fast HoG. Then I go warmogs. From there I build according to enemy team. Atmas/Randuins/FH for armor, FoN/Abyssal for magic resist, Triforce/Abyssal if I want to hit harder. BT if I'm super fed and rolling the other team/trolling.
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On December 11 2011 02:21 checo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 01:28 Haemonculus wrote:
How do you guys play malphite these days? I used to have a blast playing him, but I haven't really tried him out in months, especially after all the jungle changes and random buffs/nerfs.
How would one go about jungling Malphy these days? Any solid builds someone could link me to? Thanks! I play malphite in 17XX ELO i play him as a jungler, start regen pendant=>philo+boots=>Build what ever is need to counter enemy team from there... Start at wolfs, Blue, wraiths, golems, red, wraiths, wolfs=> should be lvl 4 now, u can either shop or go and gank with red+Q, cleans are quite fast, not the fastest but fast enough also your ult is awesome =P I run AS reds, ArPen Quins, Armor Yellows, CDR Blues, faster jungle, better spawming of skills, some armor just for fun ^^
I saw that you started at wolves and was interested in trying this path then going to solo blue also. It's 10 seconds slower than just starting at blue in the first place sadly.
I can see maybe kill one of the wolves in the camp then head to get blue, then finishing off the wolf camp could be faster.
I start with a cloth armor +3 health pots-4 health pots, If I know I may be ganking at level 4 or not.
Start at blue, go wolves, wraiths, red, golems, then wraiths for level 4, if you finish at wolves you can go back for your claw for even faster jungling. if you goto wraiths you can gank mid, if I finish at wolves I look to see if top needs help. Attack Sped Runes are always for a faster jungle, but I prefer magic pen for a more solid gank. Everything else is the same, I use 3 quints in health.
If you go cloth + 3 health pots you can afford a ward when you go back and get claw for faster jungling. If you go 4+ pots you will have a safer jungle.
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On December 11 2011 06:29 GertHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:21 checo wrote:On December 11 2011 01:28 Haemonculus wrote:
How do you guys play malphite these days? I used to have a blast playing him, but I haven't really tried him out in months, especially after all the jungle changes and random buffs/nerfs.
How would one go about jungling Malphy these days? Any solid builds someone could link me to? Thanks! I play malphite in 17XX ELO i play him as a jungler, start regen pendant=>philo+boots=>Build what ever is need to counter enemy team from there... Start at wolfs, Blue, wraiths, golems, red, wraiths, wolfs=> should be lvl 4 now, u can either shop or go and gank with red+Q, cleans are quite fast, not the fastest but fast enough also your ult is awesome =P I run AS reds, ArPen Quins, Armor Yellows, CDR Blues, faster jungle, better spawming of skills, some armor just for fun ^^ I saw that you started at wolves and was interested in trying this path then going to solo blue also. It's 10 seconds slower than just starting at blue in the first place sadly. I can see maybe kill one of the wolves in the camp then head to get blue, then finishing off the wolf camp could be faster. .
no yeah when people say wolves->blue they usualy mean get help with wolves (you personally aggro wolves but use team to get damage on them) and then get a leash on blue at 155, regardless of how many wolves you've managed to kill
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On December 11 2011 20:06 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 06:29 GertHeart wrote:On December 11 2011 02:21 checo wrote:On December 11 2011 01:28 Haemonculus wrote:
How do you guys play malphite these days? I used to have a blast playing him, but I haven't really tried him out in months, especially after all the jungle changes and random buffs/nerfs.
How would one go about jungling Malphy these days? Any solid builds someone could link me to? Thanks! I play malphite in 17XX ELO i play him as a jungler, start regen pendant=>philo+boots=>Build what ever is need to counter enemy team from there... Start at wolfs, Blue, wraiths, golems, red, wraiths, wolfs=> should be lvl 4 now, u can either shop or go and gank with red+Q, cleans are quite fast, not the fastest but fast enough also your ult is awesome =P I run AS reds, ArPen Quins, Armor Yellows, CDR Blues, faster jungle, better spawming of skills, some armor just for fun ^^ I saw that you started at wolves and was interested in trying this path then going to solo blue also. It's 10 seconds slower than just starting at blue in the first place sadly. I can see maybe kill one of the wolves in the camp then head to get blue, then finishing off the wolf camp could be faster. . no yeah when people say wolves->blue they usualy mean get help with wolves (you personally aggro wolves but use team to get damage on them) and then get a leash on blue at 155, regardless of how many wolves you've managed to kill
Always kill all the wolves. if your teammates are late to lane, it's their fault for not damaging wolves more. but killing the wolves asap makes them respawn faster, which is non-trivial.
Jungle Malphite is a boss right now, love doing philo->HoG-> retarded tanky shit with him.
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I'll leave you without a leash / with a weak leash for spending all day on wolves and not going to blue by 1:55 and I'm not the only one. Keep that in mind.
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I asked you to help damage wolves and then you'll hang me out to dry on blue? real fucking teammate.
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On December 14 2011 03:39 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 20:06 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On December 11 2011 06:29 GertHeart wrote:On December 11 2011 02:21 checo wrote:On December 11 2011 01:28 Haemonculus wrote:
How do you guys play malphite these days? I used to have a blast playing him, but I haven't really tried him out in months, especially after all the jungle changes and random buffs/nerfs.
How would one go about jungling Malphy these days? Any solid builds someone could link me to? Thanks! I play malphite in 17XX ELO i play him as a jungler, start regen pendant=>philo+boots=>Build what ever is need to counter enemy team from there... Start at wolfs, Blue, wraiths, golems, red, wraiths, wolfs=> should be lvl 4 now, u can either shop or go and gank with red+Q, cleans are quite fast, not the fastest but fast enough also your ult is awesome =P I run AS reds, ArPen Quins, Armor Yellows, CDR Blues, faster jungle, better spawming of skills, some armor just for fun ^^ I saw that you started at wolves and was interested in trying this path then going to solo blue also. It's 10 seconds slower than just starting at blue in the first place sadly. I can see maybe kill one of the wolves in the camp then head to get blue, then finishing off the wolf camp could be faster. . no yeah when people say wolves->blue they usualy mean get help with wolves (you personally aggro wolves but use team to get damage on them) and then get a leash on blue at 155, regardless of how many wolves you've managed to kill Always kill all the wolves. if your teammates are late to lane, it's their fault for not damaging wolves more. but killing the wolves asap makes them respawn faster, which is non-trivial. Jungle Malphite is a boss right now, love doing philo->HoG-> retarded tanky shit with him.
eh with the jungle changes I think it's totally trivial. there is no way you can go clear the other side of the jungle before the wolves respawn now anyways.
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On December 14 2011 03:47 Craton wrote:
I'll leave you without a leash / with a weak leash for spending all day on wolves and not going to blue by 1:55 and I'm not the only one. Keep that in mind.
i love when players do this
it gives me a reason to never gank their lanes
you'd rather gimp a teammate who has a CRITICAL role in the earlygame just for that extra 1, maybe 2 creeps of experience rather than a 20 second faster jungle?
ok, since you obviously don't need your teammates' help, enjoy winning your lane by yourself
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If you take them first though it lets you do shit like wolves -> blue -> gank closest lane -> wolves -> red side jungle or wolves -> blue -> wraiths -> small gols -> buy philo -> wraiths -> red -> small gols which lets your wolves bank up a bit.
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Does anyone build madred's on malph? I saw snoopeh or dan dinh do it (he was pretty drunk at the time though...) but everyone's talking about philo. I imagine your biggest bottleneck is mana not speed early on?
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On December 14 2011 04:09 mordek wrote:
Does anyone build madred's on malph? I saw snoopeh or dan dinh do it (he was pretty drunk at the time though...) but everyone's talking about philo. I imagine your biggest bottleneck is mana not speed early on?
Malphite has good enough base attack speed and bottlenecks hard enough on buff monsters that I understand why you'd go madred's (exactly like rammus tbh) but I feel like it's mostly an artifact from the old jungle. Nowadays I just feel so much better with double gold/10 than going madred's on all the AoE junglers.
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Is philo really necessary? You don't really have mana issues with blue and I prefer to just go hog and then straight for warmogs or w/e big item I'm getting.
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On December 14 2011 03:54 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:47 Craton wrote:
I'll leave you without a leash / with a weak leash for spending all day on wolves and not going to blue by 1:55 and I'm not the only one. Keep that in mind. i love when players do this it gives me a reason to never gank their lanes you'd rather gimp a teammate who has a CRITICAL role in the earlygame just for that extra 1, maybe 2 creeps of experience rather than a 20 second faster jungle? ok, since you obviously don't need your teammates' help, enjoy winning your lane by yourself
You can cry about it all you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact that it will happen because people would rather not start their lane at a disadvantage because you couldn't be bothered to stop afk auto attacking wolves.
If you don't understand solo queue psychology, you are doomed to failure.
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On December 14 2011 05:49 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:54 gtrsrs wrote:On December 14 2011 03:47 Craton wrote:
I'll leave you without a leash / with a weak leash for spending all day on wolves and not going to blue by 1:55 and I'm not the only one. Keep that in mind. i love when players do this it gives me a reason to never gank their lanes you'd rather gimp a teammate who has a CRITICAL role in the earlygame just for that extra 1, maybe 2 creeps of experience rather than a 20 second faster jungle? ok, since you obviously don't need your teammates' help, enjoy winning your lane by yourself You can cry about it all you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact that it will happen because people would rather not start their lane at a disadvantage because you couldn't be bothered to stop afk auto attacking wolves. If you don't understand solo queue psychology, you are doomed to failure.
i do understand solo queue psychology, which is why i prefer arranged play aka how the game is supposed to be played
when i play with SG they not only leash blue for me but even stay a whole extra 2-3 seconds so that i can clear it as quickly as possible. good players understand that letting me finish my blue 10 seconds early means i can steal enemy wraiths before they even get there, which not only puts me further ahead, but puts the enemy further behind. good players realize that by slowing down the enemy rammus, i've allowed them to put more pressure on their lane because hey, he's level 2 going into red buff and is gonna have to choose to go to golems or get too low on red to be able to gank. good players realize that 2-3 seconds helping me can be enough to flat out win their lane for them because there will be no more jungle pressure
but, you're right, solo queue players are usually "me first, now is the only time that matters" people so...
and likewise, when i play solo queue in a role that isn't jungle, i do whatever the jungler asks. if he wants me to walk back and leash blue at 2:10 i'll do it. whatever helps him get in his groove so i can rely on him later is a valuable investment. conversely, when i'm jungling and i describe exactly what i need ("dps wolves after i hit, then leash blue, plz don't take exp, ty!") and no one responds and they just sit at their towers, i already know i'm playing with people who refuse to communicate. why take that kind of player to late game. that's when i just afk at blue until someone leashes it for me. rather a 20 minute loss than a 50 minute game where they never communicate and do their own thing for an hour
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If you're dicking around on wolves to kill the entire camp as malphite because "your team didn't damage them enough," you aren't going to get to blue until probably 2:10+, which puts mid behind half a wave in the lane and is obviously a lot more wasted time than two seconds. Sidelanes can afford to stay slightly longer than mid because they have an additional 10 seconds of travel time to work with.
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It always baffles me when I see any jungler start blue without doing wolves first (or wraiths in some specific cases). Why sit on your hands for 15 seconds when you and your team could be doing something useful?
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On December 14 2011 05:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
Is philo really necessary? You don't really have mana issues with blue and I prefer to just go hog and then straight for warmogs or w/e big item I'm getting.
Eh, unless you're taking the 2nd blue (and I feel you really shouldn't be), I don't see how you can manage to keep up your mana unless you're going at a sub-optimal speed through the jungle or backing after every clear. My mana will run tight after a full clear + gank, and I run a handful of mp5 runes on top of Philo.
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On December 14 2011 05:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
Is philo really necessary? You don't really have mana issues with blue and I prefer to just go hog and then straight for warmogs or w/e big item I'm getting.
If the game goes over 30 minutes, you'll regret not buying it. And yea, I give up my blues starting at 2nd.
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What are peoples thoughts behind the new Apen/mpen runes, if you go tforce malphite for his insane mid game damage. Then just getting standard tank items. They add up to 15 apen and 8.52 mpen.
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