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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 10:10:34
September 06 2011 10:04 GMT
#41
Jungle Galio doesn't really work (you could force it to work, but theres nothing in his kit that makes it strong. Buffs will always take forever/need help to clear fast, because his spells are on a semi-long CD and his melee is nothing to write home about. He's also got reasonable lane presence in a pretend-I'm-an-AP-carry style early game, so your early game is probably going to revolve around that.

He isn't really built any differently now than when the guide was written. Chalice is probably more loved now than before (especially if you're solotop vs an AP caster or something). Core items to me would be Banshee, chalice, aegis. Anything else varies based on enemy team - you're a tank, you're gonna be building a good number of your items reactively. Don't feel too shoehorned into favoring MR over HP/Armor just because of the passive. Just consider the passive a nice boost! (Also, makes abyssal scepter a real potential option, especially if you're tanking for a heavy-magic damage team)
NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
September 06 2011 11:35 GMT
#42
Why would you send Galio to Jungle ... he is great laner both solo top and duo bot. His EQ clears all 6 minions which is both great for fast pushing and tower huging . His early game dps is scary while he still builds towards tanky and maintains presence in late game vs carries . I prefere phylo over chalice and go for mercs , abysal starting with negatron then thornmail if enemy is AD heavy to compliment your ult.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 11:42:06
September 06 2011 11:41 GMT
#43
Also can someone explain to me (who has fuck no clue about Galio), why no one ever builds HP on him? I just don't get the reasoning behind it. Seems to be so strong with his W especially, but all I see is like those Abyssal/Thornmal, and MAYBE banshees builds.
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
September 06 2011 12:02 GMT
#44
I generally rush Banshee on him myself, or get a chalice after cata if I'm not doing well.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 06 2011 12:06 GMT
#45
On September 06 2011 20:35 NightWalks wrote:
Why would you send Galio to Jungle ... he is great laner both solo top and duo bot. His EQ clears all 6 minions which is both great for fast pushing and tower huging . His early game dps is scary while he still builds towards tanky and maintains presence in late game vs carries . I prefere phylo over chalice and go for mercs , abysal starting with negatron then thornmail if enemy is AD heavy to compliment your ult.


He's also great with a null magic mantle opening against an AP caster mid, can basically ignore everything they do and just harass and farm.
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NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 13:56:15
September 06 2011 13:53 GMT
#46
Also can someone explain to me (who has fuck no clue about Galio), why no one ever builds HP on him?


I do build Aegis in duo lane and that counts as HP source espec at low LvL's when you obtain HP crystal. Galios passive ''forces'' you to get Chalice ( Open mantle ) or atleast 1 negatron as it's wery cost effective and fits your role ( Tanky ap ) before HP items . After Abysal / chein vest i would think about grabing belt to pull off ults safely.

I'm not big fan of B-veil in general .... but i could see it on Galio . Cata provides laning power , you are buying negatron anyways and B-veil itself tehnicaly makes your ult last longer ( thou in reality to keep it up as tank .... )

To summ up : Saphire + 2 pots -> Cata -> Boots 1 -> Aegis ? or skip and go Negatron -> C-vest or finish B-veil
Mercs / Abysal / B-veil / Thornmail / Rabadon /
6th item is either Aegis if you build it early or could be GA ?

This is ofc super long end game stuff ... other then that B-veil Mercs Aegis C-vest and Giants belt sufice
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
September 26 2011 22:11 GMT
#47
So I have been playing Galio a lot recently, mostly solo top. Most of the time the lane ends even or me slightly ahead (difficult to push me out of lane after cata/RoA), but there is one champion that I can never seem to win the lane against.

Nasus.

Seriously, I can't harass him out of lane because of his built-in lifesteal, and if i go in for lasthits he godslows me and Qs.

If I am solo top against Nasus (Garen kinda too, but somehow i don't find him to be that difficult to break even with), what extra precautions should I take?

(Build is Saph crystal + pots -> Rush RoA -> Mercs -> situational tanky. Mpen red, armour yellows, magic resist blues, armour quints)
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rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
September 26 2011 23:16 GMT
#48
You should go mid, chances are whoever was your other solo champ is a ranged who will absolutely shit on Nasus. Double bonus if you're up against an AP champ and you get a fast Chalice to negate their harass and push into their tower all day.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 27 2011 01:46 GMT
#49
I tried getting Tear rather than Chalice and so far I liked it. A bit less useful early on, but mana problems become a lot less common late game and you don't get to sell it as you probably would with Chalice (you convert it to Archmage's instead).

Is Chalice advocated because it allows you to open MR, thus giving an advantage early on?
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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
September 27 2011 01:50 GMT
#50
When against someone who can harass me well I just max W along with Q and then normally I end up with as much or a bit less health than what I had before I was attacked. I love that shield so much.
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NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 07:24:27
September 27 2011 07:15 GMT
#51
Regarding mana issues : When i play Galio my main focus is farm. Goal is to get lv6+ so you can EQ all 6 minions with proper aim. If you use only EQ per each wave you should last long enough to get philo / chalice and eliminate mana issues . I wouldn't go for tear and AA since both chalice and/or philo do same and are more cost efficient on Galio . Also AA as an item doesn't fit on Galio since there are other more important AP items to get .( Items like abysall , hourglass and even cap as 6th item )

When it comes to dmging enemy champion : I try to use my EQ combo when they go for last hit or are just foolish enough to chill in minion range . Only after geting philo/chalice i use spare CD's to pew pew enemy other then that farm is priority NR1 . Don't forget to ward river bush since EQ often ends up pushing lane .

Galio is great top when it comes to 1V2 or playing vs some1 who is mutch better and zones you .
Wait for EQ CD -> get in range to shoot both -> go back to hug tower and heal dmg you took while landed EQ . It's even easyer when enemy team mindlesly try push minions into your tower .

What are the thoughts on Rylai''s ? Does QER apply 15% slow ? Even if slow isn't that good i still pick it up in some games when i end up buying G belt and need to build it into something and since galio likes AP this is only option .

Max build : Mercs , Abysall , Rylais , Cap, GA , usualy aegis , but could sell for Hourglass
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 27 2011 09:01 GMT
#52
I'm having this build in mind, seeing as he seriously shits on so many fotm ap carries (not morg, but morg is OP).

0/9/21, taking SoS
1 HP quint, 2 flat mres quints
Flat armor seals
Mres marks
Mres/lvl glyphs

Null magic mantle+2 hpots -> Chalice -> Mercs -> RoA -> Situational

You can't really get shit on by anyone and your lane is SO FUCKING EASY to gank post-6.

Situational items:
Banshees (don't really like that), FoN, Randuins (get HoG early if you plan on getting it later), Abyssal, GA
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Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
September 28 2011 18:41 GMT
#53
I'm curious, if I went full MR runes with 0/9/21 (SoS), starting Null - how much AP would that give Galio and how would he do in mid...can't add up those runes right now >.<'
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 18:45:30
September 28 2011 18:44 GMT
#54
you'd have 84 MRes with 42 AP off of just flat Glyphs and Quints. doing more than that might be putting all your eggs in one basket and I wouldn't recommend it.

and I guess he'd stomp most AP carries or at least just be able to farm up a storm without being scared of anything.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 28 2011 20:26 GMT
#55
On September 06 2011 20:41 r.Evo wrote:
Also can someone explain to me (who has fuck no clue about Galio), why no one ever builds HP on him? I just don't get the reasoning behind it. Seems to be so strong with his W especially, but all I see is like those Abyssal/Thornmal, and MAYBE banshees builds.


Most of the caster items good on him don't really give hp. If you have tons of mr for ap you generally just want to pick up a quick fix armour item (chain/thorn) or grab frozen for another caster item, then you go full ap with deathcap/void since he doesn't really need to be insanely tanky just to ult and poke.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 20:37:32
September 28 2011 20:35 GMT
#56
On September 29 2011 05:26 Slayer91 wrote:
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On September 06 2011 20:41 r.Evo wrote:
Also can someone explain to me (who has fuck no clue about Galio), why no one ever builds HP on him? I just don't get the reasoning behind it. Seems to be so strong with his W especially, but all I see is like those Abyssal/Thornmal, and MAYBE banshees builds.


Most of the caster items good on him don't really give hp. If you have tons of mr for ap you generally just want to pick up a quick fix armour item (chain/thorn) or grab frozen for another caster item, then you go full ap with deathcap/void since he doesn't really need to be insanely tanky just to ult and poke.

ROA is like the only caster item that galio really enjoys having which has HP on it - Rylais just isn't worth it, and most of the other ones have no HP. Banshees is a significant source of HP, as is Aegis.

However, His W uptime is pretty poor, even with blue, unlike Rammus (who has a vaguely similar W) and the W is often not used on yourself (w your carry in big fights if anyone jumps on them) in bigger engagements. Your R has 50% damage reduction so even taunting their carry is not going to hurt THAT much.

Finally, until he initiates with ult, and after his ult is done, Galio tends to just chill and poke - he doesn't need to stay in their face forever, which is why you can generally afford to not build as pure of tankyness as someone like amumu or rammus - amumu trying to stay in and get the most out of W/E and Rammus staying in with W up waiting for his next taunt CD.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 28 2011 20:36 GMT
#57
You still aren't getting hit by either of their carries unless you're going in to ultimate so I don't see the problem. It's not like you're squishy if you don't build warmogs. You're a long range poke most of the time, it's not even close to rammus.
Chansen
Profile Joined May 2011
United States5 Posts
September 28 2011 20:57 GMT
#58
On September 27 2011 10:46 Alaric wrote:
I tried getting Tear rather than Chalice and so far I liked it. A bit less useful early on, but mana problems become a lot less common late game and you don't get to sell it as you probably would with Chalice (you convert it to Archmage's instead).

Is Chalice advocated because it allows you to open MR, thus giving an advantage early on?



Yes, Chalice is advocated due to all of the synergy it has with Galibro...MR for his passive and tons of mana regen with its unique/static MP5. It's also a little bit cheaper than Tear and provides more. Stick with Chalice.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 28 2011 21:22 GMT
#59
I'm not really sold to most AP/def items for Galio... Frozen Heart is great but that -atkspd% passive has held me away from it for now, I guess I should give it some tries to see if it really hampers his ult's potential.
Also, Zhonya's is quite expensive due to that good active, but it lacks synergy with his ult (and, generally, the fact that he stays a bit back once he initiated).

So I end up getting chalice/tear, then FoN (I prefer it over banshee because more MR, regen for "uptime" after skirmishes, and I'm a movespeed whore), and thornmail as core items, since thornmail's less expensive than randuin's, synergizes well with ult, etc. Generally abyssal after that, then CDR, AP or HP items (If I bought chalice I'd sell it for some AP/mp5 item like DFG/Morello's).
That being said, I run him 0-21-9 or 0-20-10, I should perhaps give a try to 0-9-21.

Oh, and I also max W over E. That's lots of tweaks to try and see how I'd feel with the settings most of you seem to privilegiate.
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NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
September 29 2011 05:53 GMT
#60
0-21-9 imo is an overkill ( Only champ i run this is Singed XD ) Galio benefits more from 0/9/21 as most ap casters . Also it provides better CD on Flash so you can initiate with Flash ult more often.

FoN : Imo Abysal is the Mres choice for Galio and provides Team aura and Ap . Galio makes good use of Ap as he can afford to range poke and goes in mele range to ult where he gets additional ressists. Since Galio has E FoN's passive pales.

It's hard to put FoN in build order since Philo/Chalice - Mercs - Aegis ? - Abysal - Chain vest
for me is more or less core . Finishing vest to GA , Galio ends up with 200 Mres without w .

Randuins same as FH doesn't provide anything besides Armor to Galio and I get HourGlass not coz of active , but since it provides imense AP AND Armor .

Mercs , Abysall , Rylais (RoA) , Cap, GA , usualy Aegis , but could sell for Hourglass . Brings Galio to 3k Hp 200/200 res AND 600 AP
Flash - ult - E - Q - W will kill squishies and keep Galio safe .

I max E Q first as Galio has insane poke dmg from safe distance and is able to KO whole wave without geting low on mana nor Hp ( Important when you get zoned or need to turret hug 1v2 etc )
W gets maxed last when Teem fights realy kick in and moustly to be used on your bruisers or squishies who happen to be attacked .
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