Post a picture of me having one bad game (I consider 4-6-15 a fantastic game considering those 15 assists were me helping feed my teammate Shaco so he could solo Baron + Their entire team), showing only 4 games played (DC'd like 2 minutes into WW game, Florida GGstorms v-v) pretty much in the last 5 months to discredit an entire strategy?

Stay classy.

I mean, at least argue legitimate facts here instead of going internet detective on me. Yeah, I don't got a great KD ratio with most of my characters. That doesn't matter. I got a pretty decent WL ratio last time I checked, and I hardly even play anymore due to me not being passionate about a-new-champion-every-2-weeks of Legends due to the massive imbalance that follows.

So, how about you actually argue why AP is better than AD in the hands of a skilled player? Or are you just trying to troll me?

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

February 26 2011 04:25 GMT

#103

If you played 5 games in 4-5 months, then it's probably not a good idea to by throwing out your opinions out there like it's some sort of dogma. There's a very obvious reason why good Sions in ranked games go AP. Farming wins you games.

No one is going to argue that AD Sion is a beast if he gets farmed but guess what, a farmed Trynd is even more rape. Hard part is actually getting those end game items and not hit like a wet paper towel before then.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

February 26 2011 04:35 GMT

#104

There's also the fact that on AD sion you need to be attacking non-stop with your ulti on to be able to survive. This means other team has 0 cc that they are throwing on you... And their ranged carries can't kite you for whatever reason.
On Ap sion you blow 2 spells and you're done.

freelander

Hungary4707 Posts

February 26 2011 10:49 GMT

#105

On February 26 2011 13:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
If you played 5 games in 4-5 months, then it's probably not a good idea to by throwing out your opinions out there like it's some sort of dogma. There's a very obvious reason why good Sions in ranked games go AP. Farming wins you games.

No one is going to argue that AD Sion is a beast if he gets farmed but guess what, a farmed Trynd is even more rape. Hard part is actually getting those end game items and not hit like a wet paper towel before then.

ad sion only needs a ghostblade! His E gives him huge damage, the ghostblade and his ulti give him 100 % attackspeed. He is much stronger than trynda around those levels.
it's super fun playing it, you reach your relative max strength around lvl 10-11 if you got 1-2 kills. 1 wriggles and 1 ghostblade is all you need.

I mained jungle sion for a long time lol, I have like 60-70 games with him.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

February 26 2011 10:57 GMT

#106

-head explodes-

freelander

Hungary4707 Posts

February 26 2011 11:07 GMT

#107

though I only play AP nowadays to not get flamed

Iplaythings

Denmark9110 Posts

February 27 2011 07:59 GMT

#108

On February 26 2011 20:07 freelander wrote:
though I only play AP nowadays to not get flamed

/ignore ally and go triforce sion

awwwwwwwwww yeah

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

February 27 2011 18:32 GMT

#109

AD sion is only good for FBing westrice. AP is just infinitely better thanks to his AP ratios and how low his cooldowns are for his 2 nukes. He doesn't really need hp items so you can just go straight AP and nuke even harder. You don't need to rely on sitting there autoattacking and putting yourself in danger of getting kited besides that.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

February 27 2011 18:41 GMT

#110

Anyone ever tried hybrid sion? trololol. The way the char is designed it almost looks like he's intended to be an AD but then they gave him good AP ratios so then that indicates he's supposed to be able to do both, turns out AD is terrible. (Despite having like, 50%, 100% lifesteal attack speed+65 damage with level 5 E and R up)

He's like the only champ where you could look for design mechanics for tank, ad, AND AP in a champ.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 28 2011 14:29 GMT

#111

On February 26 2011 13:18 Fruscainte wrote:
Post a picture of me having one bad game (I consider 4-6-15 a fantastic game considering those 15 assists were me helping feed my teammate Shaco so he could solo Baron + Their entire team), showing only 4 games played (DC'd like 2 minutes into WW game, Florida GGstorms v-v) pretty much in the last 5 months to discredit an entire strategy?

Stay classy.

I mean, at least argue legitimate facts here instead of going internet detective on me. Yeah, I don't got a great KD ratio with most of my characters. That doesn't matter. I got a pretty decent WL ratio last time I checked, and I hardly even play anymore due to me not being passionate about a-new-champion-every-2-weeks of Legends due to the massive imbalance that follows.

So, how about you actually argue why AP is better than AD in the hands of a skilled player? Or are you just trying to troll me?

people have pretty much explained it, but it basically boils down to not having a gap closer or any CC reduction, making it pretty much impossible for AD Sion to not get kited to death. Also he's got awful base attack speed and farms considerably worse when building AD than he does building AP.

On February 28 2011 03:41 Slayer91 wrote:
Anyone ever tried hybrid sion? trololol. The way the char is designed it almost looks like he's intended to be an AD but then they gave him good AP ratios so then that indicates he's supposed to be able to do both, turns out AD is terrible. (Despite having like, 50%, 100% lifesteal attack speed+65 damage with level 5 E and R up)

He's like the only champ where you could look for design mechanics for tank, ad, AND AP in a champ.

I've trolled some games on my smurf with deathcap -> Phantom Dancer -> tanky and triforce, trolololo. I dunno, there might be some merit to doing crap like this, but it's way harder than just grabbing AP items and 2 shotting people <trundleface>.

for whatever it's worth, I consider Phantom Dancer the most important AD item for Sion. Sion has insane baseline damage from E, so AS and Crit are the most important stats + without a gap closer, he desperately needs the constant movespeed. Ghostblade is probably really close though, they're both great on him.

On February 24 2011 09:52 gtrsrs wrote:
smash what's your experience going against shen solo top?
from my side of things (as shen) i've yet to have a problem with sion because vorpal + one ki strike will almost always pop shield (assuming equal levels) and so you burn mana just trying to prevent damage without actually dealing it. and when shield is down i can vorpal harass for an even bigger advantage. you can't trade hits because of the cooldown reduction Ki strike and you can't farm either. have you had this matchup at all?

no, we pretty much never put shen on a solo at my elo.

Phrost

United States4008 Posts

March 05 2011 23:53 GMT

#112

sion is the mordekaizer, always kill never die

Veene

Canada2 Posts

March 08 2011 02:43 GMT

#113

Its gotta be AP. I mean AD works sometimes, in random situations, ok, fuck it, in 500-1400 ELO. But yeah, I just tried the boots of mobility sion mid, and I've got to say; "hats off to you Europeans" the rape i delivered was very satisfying not to mention push lane and gank at the speed of light.

Tadzio

3340 Posts

March 08 2011 03:06 GMT

#114

On March 08 2011 11:43 Veene wrote:
Its gotta be AP. I mean AD works sometimes, in random situations, ok, fuck it, in 500-1400 ELO. But yeah, I just tried the boots of mobility sion mid, and I've got to say; "hats off to you Europeans" the rape i delivered was very satisfying not to mention push lane and gank at the speed of light.

IF you're 1v2, doran's ring -> Boots -> Deathcap (NLR first) -> Elixer of brilliance as often as possible -> Ionian boots _> (Lichbane (shane first) -> Survival -> ultimate item (usually abyssal sceptor OR will of the ancients -- depends on team). get elixer of brilliance as often s needed to keep it constand and sell doran's ring when necessary. Go go for it.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

August 19 2011 06:26 GMT

#115

Can anyone comment on AP vs AD Sion these days? I'm not exactly sure when all the nerfs to his spells kicked in, but from reading the posts it seems like it wasn't too long ago. I tried AP Sion and was thoroughly unimpressed (the early mana consumption is ridiculous), but as AD he seems somewhat reasonable (though farming is a pain and you practically have to get a Force of Nature).

Is he ever used in ranked that much anymore?

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 19 2011 06:50 GMT

#116

Not really used anymore but he's still a decent pick as AP. Can't argue with a projectile CC. His shield makes farming ez mode.

AD Sion is eh.

SplashbackFerret

New Zealand846 Posts

August 19 2011 06:55 GMT

#117

Everybody should try AP sion for at least one solid game. It's the best way to teach misguided players that you can win by outfarming the enemy team rather than stroking your KDA.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

August 19 2011 18:22 GMT

#118

Please never play AD sion. I'd rather have an AP garen than an AD sion on my team..... -_-

JokerSan

United States306 Posts

August 19 2011 18:37 GMT

#119

Man I remember I was in this 4v5 ranked troll game where I was jungle sion because the trade failed with WW. He went AP and was apparently an expert at jungle sion so he told me to go double zeal. I built a phantom dancer and he was like "NO YOU HAVE TO BUILD 2 ZEALS NOT PD" and I was like "wat???"

But now I get it. We won that game too.

Mylkyjo

Australia110 Posts

August 22 2011 05:49 GMT

#120

AP Sion is underestimated by most players. His early game can be weak because of his small mana pool, but once you get some gear you'll be suicide-bombing your way to victory.